“Q: So, if you have a fire in Production Area B, which we know we had, then a fairly obvious route for it to travel is upwards into the roof void, across the popcorn packaging hall at that level, and into the area of the NMU which pre-existed the extension? A: Correct.”
“Could you confirm whether a fire rating was assumed confirmed for the wall between oil pop and popcorn popping for the fire risk assessment?”
“We knew that all the walls/ceiling construction within popcorn was rockwool, but we were not aware of differing insulation standards to create additional fire integrity. We did know that the air pop area had to have fire shutters to the doors and realised that we had to install one additional fire shutter door to production area…to provide a similar level of protection for this production area.”
“Worst case scenario, yes, there was a risk of cut-across from this line into the existing facilities, yes.”
“…was inherently risky. It had open flames. That was the first time that I had seen open flames within any of our production facilities. So immediately the flag was raised to a need to look carefully at the risk controls with that. We were picking it up and putting it onto an existing site. My view was that we were putting it into a segregated box.”
“We needed certainly to be confident that we had a level of segregation within that box, certainly.”
“Introduce oil popping into Ponte Skills/Culture issues Increase congestion Additional warehousing required.”
“what does it look like now, what is it going to look like at the NMU.”
“As far as I can recall, we didn’t discuss anything other than – well R102 systems, wet chemical systems to the process, blankets and CO2 system to hoppers and conveyors. Q: So by this date it has been decided to use a wet chemical system and either a CO2 system or some water-based system for the hoppers and probably also the elevators, correct? A: There was no probably. We only ever considered hoppers and elevators.”
“1. Separation It is important to reduce the affect of a fire in any area of the NMU building by creating reliable fire separation between the main building areas. For this project this means installing a fire door between the new area and the existing popcorn packaging hall. The door should be at least 1 hr fire rated. The door should operate manually and automatically. Ideally the automatic function would be tied to the site fire detection system, less preferably by a fusible link. I understand the bucket elevator conveyor opening between rooms will be sealed as tightly as possible – to reduce potential fire/smoke spread through this opening… 6. Fire protection -Ansul./CO2 You plan to relocate the existing Ansul chemical fire suppression systems from Leeds to this site. These units are fairly good and will provide a useful first line fire control system. I understand a “fogtec” system was also proposed – in my view this doesn’t offer good value. The existing hoppers for finished cooked products are equipped with normally flooding CO2 systems. Presumably this system is in place because occasionally hot or burning popcorn enters the hoppers and results in a fire. We need some kind of control to prevent this occurrence and I think there are 2 options: a. Continue with the existing CO2 units and relocate them. They are reasonable units for fire control but CO2 presents life safety concerns and you need good controls to prevent harm to people in or around the hoppers. Also annual servicing is needed. Or b. Remove the CO2 systems and run a water pipe off the internal hose system to a sprinkler at the top of the hopper. The sprinkler could be a closed head type with simple valve and flow alarm. This approach may be cheaper – and requires almost no annual maintenance. This assumes at least 1.5 bar pressure is normally available from a 32mm pipe. The Ansul and CO2 systems are reasonably good, but we should not be under the impression that they will control all fires that could stem from these cookers. The only truly reliable way of controlling a fire at this site is through comprehensive sprinkler protection. Sprinkler protection is a significant investment and is beyond the scope of this project, it will be discussed again during the sites full loss prevention review.”
“… if you want to achieve highly protected risk status, then we really should have sprinklers in this site.”
“Q: If I follow your answer, it is putting a flag to site to say: look, if we don’t have sprinklers, then you must make sure that your controls are fully adequate to control the risk? A: Yes, as best we can.”
“I think we recognised that there was a system installed at Leeds that was – appeared to be doing a job there, so was worthy of looking towards relocation. It is just – you have just got to be careful here about the insinuation that, you know, I have decided that this is a technically capable and competent system because – that is not in my remit. I don’t have that knowledge to be able to make that judgment.”
“This is not in the scope of Project Kettle”
“Q: My suggestion to you is this: that that is completely the wrong way round of looking at it, isn’t it? You should have assessed the risk, and I don’t mean you personally for this purpose, but Monkhill should have assessed the risk and then decided what to do. Not decide what to do and then assess the risk? A: Well we were able to assess the risk, because it wasn’t a new operation to the business per se; we were already a manufacturer at Leeds. Q: But it follows, doesn’t it, that insofar as that was a risk, that was a risk that Cadbury knowingly decided to run? A: That was a decision that wasn’t made at my level.”
“Facilitate the transfer of Cinema Popcorn production from the current Leeds site into the Pontefract site. This will complete the transfer of all popcorn manufacturing from Leeds to Pontefract. This case is proposed as it delivers significant reduced overall costs in the manufacturing of cinema popcorn. Monkhill will have the best and most flexible volume popcorn manufacturing facility in the UK with the capability to provide both oil and air pop varieties in line with customer requirements.”
“CS Group Risk Management have reviewed the proposed installation and fire prevention and containment measures. They have confirmed the investment and equipment included as part of this case fully meet the objective of minimising the fire risk that the introduction of oil popping to the Pontefract site undoubtedly brings. The local Fire Officers are also being consulted for the input and advice.”
“H and S raised as a concern, not thought to be a problem given fire walls etc”
“CO2 can be used in local proximity to operators, but it does need to be well contained. So is an option for the buffer hopper on the packing hall gantry. Other options are the R102 chemical system or water. The R102 system best suits surface fires, so possibly not ideal and water is a mess!”
“2-off CO2 systems will be costed up to extinguish any fires as they are conveyed through the process. (Bucket Elevators and Hoppers) Can we afford all of this?? Is it overkill?? Need to understand more about the current system.”
“the system [in Leeds] had been installed and was operational. So on that basis, I could only have assumed that it was an appropriate system.”
“What we did is we replicated what they had in the Leeds factory, in terms of the way that the system operated on a single knock process with a heat probe in the duct itself…”
“Client: Monkhill Hazard: Elevator and Hopper arrangements Date: 28/8/03 PROPOSAL For the protection of the above hazard, we propose the design, supply, delivery, installation, testing and commissioning of a CO2 Fire Fighting System. ADT Fire and Security CO2 fire fighting systems are designed, manufactured and installed to suit the specific requirements of the risks to be protected and comply generally with the requirements of BS5306 Part 4. CO2 extinguishes fires by reducing the oxygen to a level that does not support combustion and by cooling.”
“THE SYSTEM The CO2 Fire Fighting System is designed, manufactured and installed to suit the specific requirements of the hazard to be protected. The complete system consists of one or more storage containers coupled to a system of pipework of discharge nozzles specifically sized using a hydraulic flow calculation program designed to ensure discharge of the design quantity within a specified period of time… TOTAL FLOODING Total Flooding systems are generally for the protection of enclosed hazards. Nozzles would be designed to flood the entire hazard enclosure with CO2 to develop an even concentration. ANCILLARIES… Discharge Nozzles An appropriate number of discharge nozzles will be provided to ensure adequate distribution of CO2 within the hazard area… HOLDING TIME – Total Flooding Systems The design concentration of CO2 should be held long enough to ensure complete extinguishment. The holding time will vary with the gas tightness of the enclosure. The required holding time may vary between one and in excess of twenty minutes depending on the hazard involved. Openings or ventilation ducts/forced air handling must be closed or shut down automatically before or in conjunction with the discharge. All doors should open outwards and be fitted with self closing devices. Doors and windows should be in the closed position prior to the CO2 system discharging. Any penetrations through the walls, ceiling and floor of the protected area(s) for cables, pipes etc should be suitably sealed. It is difficult to calculate accurately the leakage rate from any particular enclosure without full scale discharge tests, however a technique has been developed known as the Room Integrity or Door Fan Pressurisation Test which can provide an enclosure retention time prediction. Where self-closing doors, dampers or shutters are required to reduce the loss of CO2, the client shall supply and install these items and ADT will install, at an additional cost if not included within our proposal, the necessary pressure-operated trips to control their release…”
“On completion of the order, a test will be made to prove the correct function of the equipment installed. This would exclude any gas discharge. All parties concerned are invited to attend and witness the tests. Acceptance certifications will be signed as a record that the installation has met with your satisfaction. All such tests will be carried out during normal working hours.”
“This Quotation is based on the attached Proposal & General Specification Notes, and where appropriate Enquiry Specification and Tender Drawings provided. Unless and until other terms and conditions have been agreed in writing ADT Fire and Security Standard Terms and Conditions as detailed in our Commercial Agreement shall apply.”
“Only you know the value of your premises, its property and contents. We are not and cannot be an insurer of your premises and its contents and our charges are in no way related to their value. The fire and security industry is unique having regard to the relatively low cost of the services and the high values which can be at risk. For this reason, we limit the amount of our liability and the most we will be prepared to pay for any loss will be no more than twenty times the amount of the yearly service charge (excluding VAT) you are paying for the system at the time of the loss. You should also read condition 6 over the page. If you would like to increase this limit, you will have to pay an extra charge so we can arrange the appropriate insurance cover for the extra liability, the level of which has to be agreed. In such case, you will have to give us any information our insurers may need.”
“4 The purpose of the system 4.1 The system is designed to reduce the risks of loss or damage to your premises so far as this can be done by the use of this type of equipment. However we do not guarantee that the system cannot be removed, tampered with or made to stop working by you or by any unauthorised person. If this happens, we are not responsible for any losses you may suffer directly or indirectly. 4.2 We do not guarantee to you that: a) particular losses or injuries will be prevented by using the system; or b) that the system will work continuously without errors, in particular where interruptions or errors are due to something beyond our reasonable control. 4.3 Our products are designed and manufactured to high standards. However, even our products, like all mechanical and electronic devices, can develop faults. 4.4 We do not know the value of your premises or its contents and the purpose of this agreement is not to act as insurer of your premises or your contents… 6 Our liability to you … 6.3 We accept that we must make sure that the system is of satisfactory quality, that it is suitable for the purpose in condition 4 and that the system will meet with the description provided before it was installed. We confirm that we are entitled to sell the system to you. 6.4 a) As well as the responsibility which we accept in condition 6.3, we accept responsibility for death or personal injury caused by our failure to take reasonable care or to use reasonable skill. For all other liability, the most we will pay for loss of any kind will be no more than 20 times the amount of the yearly service charge (excluding VAT) which you are paying at the time of the loss. We have worked out the amount of the yearly service charge based on this limit of liability. b) If we have only sold and/or installed the system in circumstances where there is no yearly service charge to be paid by you, out liability in condition 6.4(a) will be no more than 20 times the amount of the yearly service charge (excluding VAT) that we would have secured for a system of a similar size. c) If this agreement covers more than one system, the calculation of the limit of liability in condition 6.4(a) will be based on the yearly service charge for the system giving rise to the liability. 6.5 Apart from those responsibilities accepted by us under condition 6.3 and for death and personal injury under condition 6.4(a), in all other situations we do not accept responsibility for any indirect loss which depends on us having special knowledge of your affairs which we would not normally know, even if the loss is due to our fault.”
“When you place an order, I believe one of the first things they ask for is the vendor number. So once you put the vendor number in, if you have selected the right vendor number, then you will go straight into the ordering sequence.”
“CO2 Fire suppression system. As per your quotation dated 28/8/03. Systems to be fitted to:- 2 Elevators 3 Hoppers 50% Payment”
“This is subject to Monkhill standard terms & conditions already supplied, unless otherwise agreed. Additional copies available on request.”
“3. QUALITY AND DEFECTS a) All Goods supplied and/or Services carried out shall be of good quality and subject to the Buyer’s approval and in particular must meet the governing Specification and CTB Standards but without limitation also be as required by law in respect of title, quantity, quality, purpose or description… 4. INDEMNITY The Seller will indemnify the Buyer against the following a) Any loss or damage or injury cost expense or liability whatsoever and whensoever arising from or in connection with the supply of the Goods and/or Services for which the Buyer may be liable to third parties due to any negligence, breach of statutory duty, breach of contract or other act or omission of the Seller… e) Any loss damage cost expense or liability sustained by the Buyer as a result of the failure of the Seller to perform the Services or supply the Goods in accordance with the Contract or due to any negligence, breach of statutory duty, breach of contract or other act or omission of the Seller… 13. LEGAL REQUIREMENTS a) The Seller warrants that the design, construction and quality of any of the Goods or Services to be supplied under the Contract comply in all respects with all statutes, statutory rules, orders and regulations which may be in force at the time and further that the Services and the sale or use of the Goods by the Buyer will not infringe any Intellectual Property Rights of any third party. The Seller undertakes to indemnify the Buyer against any loss, damage, liability, costs or expenses which the Buyer may suffer or incur by reason of any breaches of the said warranties… ”
“From general observation, he was happy with our fire detection system, internal emergency lighting, testing procedures and employee smoking policy. Areas which require attention are: Improved signage Appropriate extinguishers Fire doors being wedged open Travelling distances Inner rooms (smoke detection) External lighting survey”
“Once we have the Certificate we can get into the detail of the proposed changes. This again will be done through Wakefield. Kevin’s view is that they will not be so sympathetic towards the compartments we have in the latest layout, but we will need to wait and see.”
“It would be a little bit difficult to maintain it for 20 minutes, I imagine, but it would depend on the machine.”
“The fact that the transaction was performed on both sides will often make it unrealistic to argue that there was no intention to enter into legal relations. It will often be difficult to submit that the contract is void for vagueness or uncertainty. Specifically, the fact that the transaction is executed makes it easier to imply a term resolving any uncertainty, or alternatively, it may make it possible to treat a matter not finalised as inessential.”
“…look at all the documents passing between the parties and glean from them, or from the conduct of the parties, whether they have reached agreement on all material points – even though there may be differences between the forms and conditions printed on the back of them.”
“There are yet other cases where the battle depends on the shots fired on both sides. There is a concluded contract but the forms vary. The terms and conditions of both parties are to be construed together. If they can be reconciled so as to give a harmonious result, all well and good. If the differences are irreconcilable, so that they are mutually contradictory, then the conflicting terms may have to be scrapped and replaced by a reasonable implication.”
“In my judgment, it is not possible to lay down a general rule that will apply in all cases where there is a battle of the forms. It always depends on an assessment of what the parties must objectively be taken to have intended. But where the facts are no more complicated than that A makes an offer on its conditions and B accepts, that offer on its conditions, and, without more, performance follows, it seems to me that the correct analysis is what Longmore LJ has described as the “traditional offer and acceptance analysis” i.e. that there is a contract on B’s conditions. I accept that this analysis is not without its difficulties, in circumstances of the kind to which Professor Treitel refers in the passage quoted at paragraph 20 above. But in the next sentence of that passage Professor Treitel adds ‘for this reasons the cases described above are best regarded as exceptions to a general requirement of offer and acceptance’. I also accept the force of the criticisms made in Anson’s Law of Contract, 28th Edition. But the rules which govern the formation of contracts have been long established and they are grounded in the concepts of offer and acceptance. So long as that continues to be the case, it seems to me that the general rule should be that the traditional offer and acceptance analysis is to be applied in battle of the forms cases. That has the great merit of providing a degree of certainty which is both desirable and necessary in order to promote effective commercial relationships.”
“Within the system, in order to raise a purchase order, it is necessary to specify a vendor, and that vendor has a number associated with it. Under the situation that you have just described, there could be two entries in there: one, the number originating from the Trebor Bassett system; one the number originating from the Cadbury system.”
“…that the CO2 suppression system supplied and installed by ADT, and the equipment that comprised it, would be of satisfactory quality and/or fit for its purpose as a CO2 suppression system and/or conformed to its description. This should be implied either by virtue of theSupply of Goods and Services Act 1982 sections 3 and 4 and/or necessity and/or business efficacy and/or the practice in the trade and/or otherwise.”
“(a) any specific purpose said to have been communicated by an identified representative of the claimant to a representative of the defendant, (b) the respect in which the claimant is alleged to have relied on the defendant and the extent of that reliance, (c) the precise goods said to have been supplied.”
“(i) The evidence served by the claimant does not disclose any case [as to specific purpose and reliance] and is anyway denied. The basis on which the parties proceeded was that the existing system in the claimants’ factory at Leeds should so far as possible be replicated in the new installation at Pontefract; (ii) The system of fire suppression to the elevator and hopper would be a CO2 system using fixed probes at a pre-determined temperature (of 100°C) and would be capable of being triggered manually; (iii) The defendant was quoting in competition and cost was an issue; (iv) The sale was not a sale by description.”
“Where, under such a contract, the transferor transfers the property and goods in the course of a business, there is an implied condition that the goods supplied under the contract are of satisfactory quality. (2A) for the purposes of this section and section 5 below, goods are of satisfactory quality if they meet the standard that a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory, taking account of any description of the goods, the price (if relevant) and all the other relevant circumstances.”
“4(4) Subsection (5) below applies where, under a contract for the transfer of goods, the transferor transfers the property and goods in the course of a business and the transferee, expressly or by implication, makes known – (a) to the transferor, or (b) where the consideration or part of the consideration for the transfer is a sum payable by instalments and the goods were previously sold by a credit-broker to the transferor, to that credit-broker, any particular purpose for which the goods are being acquired. (5) In that case there is (subject to subsection (6) below) an implied condition that the goods supplied under the contact are reasonably fit for that purpose, whether or not that is a purpose for which such goods are commonly supplied. (6) Subsection (5) above does not apply where the circumstances show that the transferee does not rely, or that it is unreasonable for him to rely, on the skill or judgment of the transferor of the credit-broker.”
“The risk that the CO2 fire suppression system was supposed to guard against was the occurrence and spread of fire. The whole point was that the CO2 suppression system would automatically activate to extinguish or control a fire in either the hopper and/or Gough Elevator. It failed to either activate within a reasonable time and/or suppress/extinguish the fire sufficiently or at all.”
“Steve Barker had equipment made which reduced the spillage of oil and they also fitted safety mats on the floor. They had specialist footwear, I recall, on the operators who worked in that area. So there were several measures introduced to minimise the effect of spilt oil.”
“It depends how bad it was because – and how full it was, because you have got to think if it were, say, quarter full, half full, there were a lot of popcorn there, so if we were chucking it on the floor, it would have just spread and gone everywhere. If it were only a little bit of popcorn you could just set it out and contain it.”
“I assume that it had a sensor inside the hopper and that if it got to a certain temperature, it would set it off.”
“Other than informing the team leaders on how to activate manually, and eventually automatically the CO2 system, via the break glasses that were in place, I never got involved in the training process or participated in training anybody in that area. It wasn’t my field of expertise.”
“I do have a vague recollection of standing at the CO2 panel with Steve Barker and another person, which could have been the ADT engineer or Pat Priestley or somebody like that, going through the system of how it worked. At that point I do vaguely recall receiving the re-set keys for the panels, which I then subsequently placed in the engineer’s workshop…It was my understanding that Pat Priestley then arranged for the information to be got to the appropriate people in production.”
“I didn’t know how to test or I didn’t know how it was tested, and again, if a problem arose, I would have to seek advice or report it through to the engineering manager or his counterpart on the shift.”
“It was sold as an automatic system; it should have operated as an automatic system…I don’t believe that they should operate it manually. I believe that when it is in operation it should be automatic.”
“It has got to be a Pavlovian response. This is the object of training in this situation. It has got to be something that everybody is willing to just do in the event…The minute you get burning material coming out the bottom, I think everybody is going to be aware that there is something going on there shouldn’t be, and it should be a Pavlovian response to go over and just literally hit the manual button.”
“Early detection demo by ADT – arrangements for on-line trial demonstrated on 16/3/04 – cost in the region of£20k . Quote with AH [Mr Hamilton], to raise Ops Team. Need to clarify position with AH.”
“One of the reasons why we decided to change both hoppers was because the metal detectors on top of both of the existing hoppers didn’t work. So it meant we couldn’t effectively detect metal when we were sending packs out. So it was unacceptable to continue working like that. And the hoppers, I believe one of them was a mild steel construction, which again was unacceptable in a modern food factory. So we took the decision to upgrade the hoppers, the metal detector system, to make it compliant.”
“Further to our recent discussion regarding the above we confirm our quotation in the sum of£1,200.00 to refix the existing detector and nozzle into 1no conveyor. Should the conveyor be increasing in size we would recommend a redesign to ensure that there will be sufficient gas to extinguish a fire. When you have one, please forward a copy of a drawing of the new conveyor detailing all dimensions and we will check this and advise accordingly. We trust that as before the access equipment will be supplied by yourselves.”
“The additional cost per visit to isolate the fire alarm to allow the installation of a new conveyor will be carried out for the total sum of£350.00 per visit. We have sent the drawing of the new conveyor to our design department who will verify if the existing cylinders are adequately sized to accommodate the new conveyor. Any cost implications will be advised under separate cover asap along with additional costs to allow for 4 additional nozzles for the popcorn pans.”
“It was his remit…it was not my responsibility to communicate any information as far as I was aware, no.”
“at this point I had no communication link set up with any of the people involved in the project work, so at this stage it was within Steve’s remit to organise the work, not myself.”
“Minor fires • If a minor fire (e.g. burning piece of corn) is discovered, turn the gas off to the individual pan • If it is in a pan, close the lid and leave it for 10 minutes – removal of oxygen will allow it to burn out • If it is on a table, belt or conveyor, stop it and tackle the fire immediately with a foam extinguisher, as per your training • If it is an electrical fire a CO2 extinguisher should be used • In all cases inform a team leader/manager immediately • An Incident Report will be completed by a Team Leader or Manager. This will allow for monitoring of all incidents • Disposal of product: affected product should be disposed of in the Pig Food skip in line with Clean Up procedure/work instruction Serious Fires • The area is fitted with heat sensors set at 90°C. If they are activated (either automatically or manually) they will set off the alarms in the whole of NMU but will NOT set off the line fire suppressant systems. However if the line fire suppressant systems are activated by any means, then these will activate the building fire alarms. • In the event of a serious fire (e.g. the canopy is ablaze) the gas and power to all kit will automatically become isolated when the sensors are activated, apart from extraction of the air handling system which will clear smoke. This will activate the main NMU fire alarm system.” • If a minor fire (e.g. burning piece of corn) is discovered, turn the gas off to the individual pan • If it is in a pan, close the lid and leave it for 10 minutes – removal of oxygen will allow it to burn out • If it is on a table, belt or conveyor, stop it and tackle the fire immediately with a foam extinguisher, as per your training • If it is an electrical fire a CO2 extinguisher should be used • In all cases inform a team leader/manager immediately • An Incident Report will be completed by a Team Leader or Manager. This will allow for monitoring of all incidents • Disposal of product: affected product should be disposed of in the Pig Food skip in line with Clean Up procedure/work instruction • The area is fitted with heat sensors set at 90°C. If they are activated (either automatically or manually) they will set off the alarms in the whole of NMU but will NOT set off the line fire suppressant systems. However if the line fire suppressant systems are activated by any means, then these will activate the building fire alarms. • In the event of a serious fire (e.g. the canopy is ablaze) the gas and power to all kit will automatically become isolated when the sensors are activated, apart from extraction of the air handling system which will clear smoke. This will activate the main NMU fire alarm system.”
“PAN FIRES: Q: What is the procedure if a pan fire occurs? A: Turn gas off, turn table chute to face outwards, tip pan and allow the corn to fall into the pig food bin. Q: What extinguisher is user for a pan fire? A: Red = foam HOPPER FIRE: Q) What is the procedure if a hopper fire occurs? A) The hopper has an automatic alarm, but the Team Leader or Manager must be alerted”
“It was open gas flames. We didn’t have any process similar to that, so the very process was probably a little bit daunting, because it was an open gas flame with an oil pan on.”
“The NMU is 70% foamed plastic insulated metal panel and 30% rockwool insulated metal panel. It appears that a significant amount of the foamed plastic is polystyrene, with some usage of fire rated Kingspan reported.”
“Manage the fire risk associated with polystyrene insulated hygienic finish panels as follows: a) establish a register of hygienic finish panels with polystyrene (or polyurethane) insulation b) ensure that all new or replacement panelling installations use fully non-combustible materials c) where feasible replace polystyrene insulated panels on a phased basis or as part of future projects d) ensure that as far as possible permanent or temporary (e.g. hot work) ignition sources are kept away from areas with combustible construction and that protective procedures are fully implemented when work is necessary in these areas Comments: it is estimated that > 60% of the NMU is constructed using polystyrene insulated composite panels.”
“Recommendation: provide an independent, reliable fire water supply and sprinkler system for the site in accordance with the Cadburys Schweppes standards… The loss expectancy with what was called “the deficiency” in place (ie not having sprinklers) was estimated at£16.9 million by way of property damage and£12.2 million by way of business interruption, a total of£29.1 million . With sprinklers, the report estimated that the loss was reduced to less than£1 million . It went on: Supporting notes: without automatic fire suppression installed a fire may be expected to spread throughout the NMU due to the continuity of combustible materials of polystyrene panelling in the building construction. A fire with a correctly operating, reliable fire water supply and automatic sprinkler system would be expected to be limited to 300 square metres. Loss estimates based on a value of£1500 /square metre and loss of the air popping operation for 1 month. Estimated cost to complete the recommendation is£500,000 .”
“Site decision to control the risk of fire through fire prevention, protection, and segregation, as agreed with local fire service. The area of highest risk, oil pop, is covered with a fire suppression system.”
“Risks that the BU [Business Unit i.e. Monkhill] has investigated, discussed and agreed to ‘accept the risk’. For example – often smaller sites decide not to install sprinkler protection. In this case the risk of fire and impact on BU is weighed against the cost of implementation (e.g. sprinkler installation) and a decision is made. This is documented and reviewed regularly for change and latest management teams continuing acceptance. In this case the recommendation remains on the report, as the risk to CS and our insurers remains.”
“Well, as someone who specialises in active protection measures, it is always preferable to see industrial buildings sprinkler protected and, indeed, sprinkler protection is one of my speciality areas.”
“Improve the protection and operation of the oil popping area as follows: a) Connect the carbon dioxide and wet chemical extinguishing systems to the site alarm systems to indicate system discharge and protection isolation b) Confirm that there is a routine maintenance contract on the carbon dioxide and wet chemical extinguishing systems c) Ensure the gas piping, gas installation valves and emergency stop controls are clearly labelled.”
“a) During the process of isolation, the operating procedures where [sic] shared with the local fire service, and a local decision made to operate systems separately to minimise unnecessary business interruption. This has operated successfully to date b) CA raised to ensure appropriate maintenance contract is in place by end of 2004 c) CA raised to ensure labeeling [sic] is in place by the end of AP9”
“I can’t answer for what they knew really. And I can’t remember any specific conversation that I had with him on that.”
“I think the senior representative of Trebor on site, Mr Sanders, I think it is correct, had expressed some dissatisfaction with Fire Service tactics and obviously because I was still involved in managing the operation, I hadn’t had a chance to (a) fully explain our tactics and (b) I was unaware of some of the history leading up to the point of my attendance.”
“It is from the point that the ignition first commences to the point that an effective fire fighting operation commenced and actually, on this particular occasion, that was a very long time.”
“It is known that the numbers on the particular shift were low and that Tony Norton who was also on C Line was doubling up and fetching raw materials for the oil pop operators. It is possible that either smouldering or flaming popcorn may have been allowed on to the conveyor unnoticed. This had then been allowed to enter the hopper and it either dropped as a smouldering piece on to other popcorn or has flamed almost immediately when the air was allowed to get to it through the dropping process. This will have readily ignited the popcorn already within the hopper, the temperature of the product in the hopper being approximately 50-60°C. It is also likely that smouldering or flaming popcorn had been allowed to enter a number of the plastic sleeves having been filled and placed in the boxes ready for dispatch prior to the one that was subsequently noticed as being on fire. These boxes were moved away from the base of the hopper at the time of the hopper fire and relocated around the high racking of packaging material on the south wall. These boxes and plastic sleeves of popcorn are likely to have readily ignited due to the temperature of the popcorn and availability of air within the plastic sleeve and box to support a flaming fire. With the evidence available so far this is the most likely cause of the fire. Further witness statements from Mr Dave Carter indicated that there were flaming popcorn dropping out of the base of the hopper when being bagged off and also flames reaching the top of the hopper of C Line which would allow flames to enter the opening to the plastic buckets and horizontal conveyor system. This is likely to have ignited the popcorn and possibly the plastic buckets that were moving allowing the fire to spread into the packaging hall. Further fire spread will have occurred as indicated above in the packaging material located on the high racking on the south wall.”
“We were now preparing for trial, so certain matters that I might have included – well, certain things became more important than others, so the report that I wrote in 2005, that was for the insurers, through their solicitors; might have contained material that was not suitable for the court.”
“I have no doubt in my mind that the packaging material that was stored in the racking on the south wall was involved in the fire at an early stage.”
“So, at this point, the theory of spread of fire from the hopper or elevator converged. You have a fire on the south wall, that fire can spread into the roof void, through weaknesses in the top hat section and the joints between the rockwool panels; and once the fire is in the roof, the building is lost? A: Essentially, yes… Q: So we have two hypotheses then at this point as to the spread of fire. One is that it emanated from the material which was discharged from the bottom of the hopper and the other is that it resulted from the elevator fire spreading in the way that we just looked at. Correct? A: Yes. Q: Right. Now these are two viable hypotheses, aren’t they? A: Yes they are. Q: Neither is obviously right, neither is necessarily wrong? A: That is correct.”
“In the vast majority of cases where the judge has before him the issue of causation of a particular event, the parties will put before the judge two or more competing explanations as to how the event occurred, which though they may be uncommon, are not improbable. In such cases, it is, as was accepted before us by the appellants, a permissible and logical train of reasoning for a judge, having eliminated all the causes of the loss but one, to ask himself whether, on the balance of probabilities, that one cause was the cause of the event.”
“Q:…popcorn is overheated at the pan. That is stage one. A: Yes. Q: Smouldering popcorn enters the elevator. Stage two. A: Yes… Q: Popcorn makes the transition to flaming before it reaches the bed of popcorn in the hopper? A: That’s right, as it’s discharged from the elevator bucket…I thought it was less likely [to make the transition to flaming in the bucket journey] than when the bucket was tipped on its side in order to discharge the smouldering popcorn.”
“The time between deposition on the surface and emergence at the discharge may be less than that [8 minutes] because of the downward spread of flame through the bed. You’re not just relying on the discharge of popcorn from the base of the hopper to effect downward movement of flame. Q: Right. So you have what we might call the sugar mix effect? A: Yes.”
“Q: It is not going to start from the bottom and work its way up is it? A: That is exactly what happens in a smouldering fire, because it is starting within the body of the hopper and spreading up and down at the same time. And that was what I sought to explain in my presentation on Thursday.”
“Q: So if we have flames across the bed of the hopper, you are talking about something that had been burning for five minutes. The question is, then, how far does that flame of fire spread in a downward direction in that same period? A: Fires spread more quickly upwards than they do downwards. Downward rates of fire spread are roughly of the order of lateral rates of fire spread. We have a bed which is of the order of 1.3 metres deep from the upper point of the discharge chute to a quarter full…so this fire then has to travel downwards through 1.3 metres in the same time that it spreads across the hopper. It doesn’t work.”
“I think there is boxes between the pallet truck and the racking which are made up ready to receive the sleeves. So we have only got, to my mind, to get a distance of about 3.5 metres depending on where this pallet truck is, but I think Dr Mitcheson gave evidence to it being about half way between the hopper and the racking. So that means we have got to get it from the hopper to the pallet truck because if we get it to the pallet truck we have pretty much got it to the racking because we have got the combustible materials there. Now I don’t know what there was between the hopper and the pallet trucks, nor do I know if the pallet truck is fully loaded with boxes or partially loaded with boxes. So we could have boxes round the hopper, boxes in the pallet truck, empty boxes ready to be filled and then the racking.”
“Q: So it has got to be really rather a perfect distance doesn’t it? It has to be so far into the popcorn that it can’t be felt by the operative but so close either to the top or to the edge that it reaches the side of the sleeve sufficiently early to be able to cause a fire which breaks out by 8:46? A: Yes. Q: So we end up, don’t we, with a number of extraordinary coincidences if you are right. We end up with popcorn that smoulders but doesn’t reach flaming before it’s got to the bottom of the hopper; that is essential? A: Yes Q: It’s got to be not noticed by the operative, that is right, otherwise as a matter of common sense, this incident wouldn’t occur? A: Yes, they don’t notice the smouldering in the hopper. Q: It has to be towards the top or towards the edge of the sleeve but not so close that the operative notices it? A: That is correct. Q: It has to have sufficient oxygen within a hermetically sealed sleeve to be able to continue to combust? A: That’s a given. Q: And it has to move from non-flaming to flaming at the 5 minute end of the spectrum rather than the 11 minute end of the spectrum? A: It does.”
“Q: If you were going to carry out some experiment to demonstrate this effect, I would suggest that it would be sensible to construct some containing vessel of the size of the hopper, (1); (2) to fill it with popcorn to the assumed depth; (3) to ignite it; (4) to see what happens when you put bucket loads of popcorn at 1 second intervals on top of it. You can repeat it for a bit of smouldering popcorn, and you might get an answer. A: That would be an ideal situation. I have reservations about the smouldering popcorn. Q: I know you have reservations about smouldering popcorn, but that’s a test which will actually show you something isn’t it? A: In an ideal world, yes. Q: Not burning popcorn in a mop bucket or a dustbin? A: They give valuable guidance on the behaviour of burning popcorn. Q: Yes. And of course – and you may think this is a comment but I will ask you it anyway – in the context of litigation involving a claim of£100 million , spending a bit of money on testing is hardly money wasted is it? A: That’s probably correct.”
“Yes, there can be. Not in every case but generally one would expect to find evidence of the size of the pool because as I indicated, the material that is falling first on the floor is cooled, re-solidifies, and burning material falls on top of it, and as the polypropylene burns, you get the char formation which protects the material underneath. So often you will find areas of re-solidified plastic under the area where the pool has actually been.”
“Q: On that basis a fire, albeit a small smouldering fire on this hypothesis, had passed through the hopper, had not been detected by the CO2 system and the result was that the building burnt down? A: Yes… Q: You would accept that if the CO2 system had activated and extinguished the smouldering fire in the hopper, this property damage incident would not have occurred, would it? A: If the operators had actually operated the manual release mechanism, that was there provided specifically for this sort of situation, I believe it would have extinguished the fire. Q: That doesn’t work, does it? That theory completely doesn’t work because the first time they would have operated the manual release system would have been after they realised there was a problem. Do you agree with that? A: Yes. Q: By that time, on the theory that is put forward on behalf of ADT, this smouldering popcorn was already in a box waiting to erupt. So the operation of the manual system would not have made any difference, would it? A: In that respect, no, it was already outside… Q: The original hypothesis which Mr Lygate put forward, still one of his two hypotheses, namely that there was a latent source of smouldering popcorn, which had not been detected by the CO2 system and had not activated the CO2 system, if the lids were on, you accept this system failed? A: I think there is a more fundamental question, and I am going to get told off I’m sure but… Mr Justice Coulson: Well answer that one, and then tell us the more fundamental point. A: The answer is yes.”
“Q: So is the answer to my question that if the CO2 system did not have VESDA protection, then the fire spread, as explained by Dr Lygate in his more recent report, would not have been prevented? The answer to that is yes, isn’t it? A: Probably.”
“Q: Just so you can understand what I am putting to you. As I understand Dr Mitcheson’s theory it is this, that in the mechanism that he described, the combustion had already started in the materials within the conveyor/elevator before the operatives left the premises. Take that as being the premise. Obviously we are going to argue before my Lord as to whether that’s a safe assumption. If that be right, you would accept, wouldn’t you, that this system failed to respond as it should have done? A: In as much that the CO2 wasn’t ejected, yes.”
“Q: Now let me come back to the hypothesis of the fire in the hopper and, as we know, on whichever theory we are talking about, Lygate 1, Lygate 2 or Mitcheson, we have to start with either a smouldering or flaming fire in the hopper. It was against that risk that the heat detector in the hopper was intended to protect the building? A: Indeed.”
“Q: You see, what I am looking at is your conclusion - scenario 1 actual, with the lids off. What this table appears to show is that, with the lids off, the fire would be detected in 153 seconds. Is that right or not? A: That is what our model showed, yes. Q: But I think you are now saying that, with the lids off, the fire might not be detected in 153 seconds. Which is the position? A: I think in all probability it would be detected but as I said, with charges coming on, and we are not able to separate that radiation component, we already had a factor of safety in there. Q: Alright, I am willing to take your answer, that in all probability a fire which had been burning for at least 8 minutes would have been detected by this system? A: Yes… Q: On the assumption that the pink line takes, that is to say that the openings are open, do you agree with me that if a fire had been burning for at least 8 minutes, the probability is that the heat detector should have detected that fire? A: Yes. Q: Just so that there is no possible ambiguity, that is on the basis that the lids and the other openings are open; you understand that? A: Yes. Q: And that probably would be even greater if the residence time was 15 minutes rather than 8 minutes, wouldn’t it? A: In as much more heat is being given off under those circumstances, yes.”
“Q: Now you have accepted, haven’t you, that it is a reasonable approach that the fire in the hopper could be regarded as a deep-seated fire? A: I have accepted that, yes. Q: [British Standard page 194 paras 3.6] A deep-seated fire is a fire involving a solid subject to smouldering? A: Yes.”
“I think the problem with the detector in the hopper is it is actually almost in the corner, which is not going to be one of the locations where you will get the highest velocities and highest gas temperatures.”
“…a succession of consequences which in fact and in logic is infinite will be halted by the law when it becomes unfair to let it continue. In relation to tortious liability for personal injury, this point is reached when (though not only when) the claimant suffers a further injury which, while it would not have happened without the initial injury, has been in substance brought about by the claimant and not the tortfeasor.”
“Where a plaintiff does not know of a defendant’s breach of contract and where he is entitled to rely upon the defendant having performed his contract, it will only be in the most exceptional circumstances that conduct of the plaintiff suffers to break the causal relationship between the defendant’s breach and the plaintiff’s loss. The plaintiff’s conduct was not voluntary in the sense of being undertaken with a knowledge of its significance. Conduct which is undertaken without an appreciation of the existence of the earlier causal factor will normally only suffice to break the causal relationship if the conduct was reckless. It is the character of reckless conduct that it makes the actual state of knowledge of that party immaterial.”
“Where any person suffers damage as the result partly of his own fault and partly the fault of any other person or persons, a claim in respect of that damage shall not be defeated by reason of the fault of the person suffering the damage, but the damages recoverable in respect thereof shall be reduced to such extent the court thinks just and equitable having regard to the claimant’s share in the responsibility for the damage.”
“Sainsbury was in my judgment free to decide whether it was in its own commercial interest to install sprinklers. Others might have done so but I do not consider Sainsbury was at fault in not doing so. BM knew that there would be no sprinklers, as did EGP. They must be taken to have accepted the risk that any damage caused by negligence might therefore be greater than it would have been. I see no ground for holding that there was contributory negligence in not having sprinklers.”
“111(a) It was asserted that much of the fire damage was attributable to the absence both of a suitable system of sprinklers and of compartmentation at the warehouse. (b) There was no statutory requirement (such as Building Regulations) for a building of this size built in 1976 to have sprinklers or compartmentation. (c) None of the literature at the time of the fire makes it clear that for an existing building of this age these are required. (d) There are numerous warehouses which do not have such systems in. Put another way, there seems to be a respectable body of opinion among warehouse owners that they are not necessary. e) Fosse was not required by the Fire Brigade who checked the building over some time before the fire or their insurers to install sprinklers or compartmentation. Fosse had taken some steps to provide an expensive new fire alarm system and other safety measures. f) The evidence on compartmentation was not satisfactory. There was no attempt to explain what compartmentation was needed as a reasonable minimum or the extent to which it would have limited fire damage. If it was extensively compartmentalised the damage would have been much less; if it was limited to means of escape for people little of the building would have been saved.”