“That’s rubbish. You and Alisdair Hillis attempted to bulldoze me into it. I have Ian as my witness and he takes great notes. Just like when you forced me into the hedge loan “Sign here…it is just to protect you from any rise in interest rates and they are highly likely in the near future.””
“We’ve done a great deal so go with it”
“not even slightly” was his unconvincing response. RBS characterised this answer as “nonsensical”, and I agree. The same can be said of his later answer, when it was put to him that the business was not in a good financial shape: “Terrific, left alone I would have solved it blindfold”
“The question whether an adverse inference may be drawn from the absence of a witness is sometimes treated as a matter governed by legal criteria, for which the decision of the Court of Appeal in Wisniewski v Central Manchester Health Authority [1998] PIQR P324 is often cited as authority. Without intending to disparage the sensible statements made in that case, I think there is a risk of making overly legal and technical what really is or ought to be just a matter of ordinary rationality. So far as possible, tribunals should be free to draw, or to decline to draw, inferences from the facts of the case before them using their common sense without the need to consult law books when doing so. Whether any positive significance should be attached to the fact that a person has not given evidence depends entirely on the context and particular circumstances. Relevant considerations will naturally include such matters as whether the witness was available to give evidence, what relevant evidence it is reasonable to expect that the witness would have been able to give, what other relevant evidence there was bearing on the point(s) on which the witness could potentially have given relevant evidence, and the significance of those points in the context of the case as a whole. All these matters are inter-related and how these and any other relevant considerations should be assessed cannot be encapsulated in a set of legal rules.”
“The purpose here is not to attempt to provide potential solutions to specific interest rate management issues, but instead explain the building blocks of many of the interest rate management solutions used by businesses today. As mentioned I am off on holiday from Friday for 2 weeks, however should you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact one of my colleagues on 0131 525 2044 or Jane McGuigan who would then arrange for someone to touch base with you in my absence.”
“Refinancing all the loans gives us an opportunity to revisit the terms of the facilities and it is proposed that we increase the margin to 2.15% across all the debt, make the deal conditional on an appropriate hedging strategy covering 100% of the debt for at least 5 years, and introducing a covenant on GCL that quarterly testing is done and a minimum of 1.1x debt service is generated from cash flow after dividends, tax, etc.”
“Appropriate hedging strategy”
“Hedging noted/ leave to you to take forward”
“Great news Jane. Thanks for the update”
“Who requested the meeting and why?”
“Jane McGuigan requested the meeting to discuss hedging for increased debt of£ 2,424k ”
“Overdraught/RBoS/Lombard”
“We need a list as to precisely where we need to get our funds as we probably haven’t followed a strict criteria in the past.ie. We often pay for fixtures and fittings and equipment from the overdraught account! This is good in that it makes us run a tight ship, however it means that we always fill the overdraught and therefore have an ongoing cash flow problem. For example if we put in new carpet or new paint work or a new couch we may just write a cheque from£5000 from the over draught account. When we add lots of little things together it soon uses up all the over draught space! Summary: Precisely what roles do the 1. overdraught 2. RBos 3. Lombard have in terms of where we borrow? If we can clarify precisely what to do then it should sort out the overdraught use and keep plenty of space on it.”
“what happens if interest rates go down?”
“Looking to grow the value of the company from£ 4 million . Shift profit out of Glasgow Chiropractic Ltd to service debt for CJ and LK Perks”
“Who requested the meeting and why? Jane McGuigan requested the meeting to discuss hedging for increased debt of£2,424k . Topic discussed The Bank has agreed to restructure 8 existing loans into 1 to include an additional£1,035k to purchase 4 properties where the trading company, Glasgow Chiropractic Ltd trade from (GCL currently trades from 20 locations around the UK). Current property in the portfolios is valued at c£3.2m and they are keen to grow this to£4m . The new loan of£2,424k will be repayable over 15-yrs @ base + 2.15%. AF explained the advantages of the stand-alone status of the hedging options and a swap, cap and collar were outlined along with the advantages and disadvantages. The potential for breakage costs if broken early was also explained as well as the mechanics of how a breakage cost would be arrived at. FSA registration and the retail terms of business were explained and an IRD brochure was provided. AF recommended they seek independent advice prior to proceeding. A general discussion on market conditions followed. Client stated requirements and views? Interested in viewing rates for both collars and swaps with worst case rates of 6.25 & 6.50% excluding lending margin over 5-years. How did the customer express their requirements? Verbally to AF during the meeting. How did the customer confirm their understanding of using these solutions? Through direct questioning all clients confirmed their understanding of potential solutions and break cost calculations. Further actions and timescale AF to forward retail docs and indic levels as above.”
“Interest Rate Swap • A swap can be used by a borrower to convert floating rate loans to fixed (and vice versa) without disturbing the underlying borrowing. It is a common, well established, hedging technique used by a broad spectrum of borrowers and investors. • swaps achieve the same end as using a fixed rate loan. However, there are two key advantages: • If you entered into an interest rate swap and decide to close out the swap before maturity (for example if the loan is repaid more quickly than anticipated) you may have to pay breakage costs or you may receive a breakage payment from the Bank, dependant on subsequent swap market movements – fixed rate loan providers generally only have a cost. • Fixed rate loans do not usually provide the ability to have a forward start and often do not price complex amortisation correctly. • The main disadvantage of the swap is the inability to benefit from favourable movements in interest rates. In addition if the transaction is terminated prior to maturity a close out cost (or benefit) may arise. Advantages • Protects against increase in interest rates • Simple to transact • No up front premium to enter into the swap • Documented using standardised ISDA documentation Disadvantages • No benefit from falls in rates • There may be a cost (benefit) if the hedge is terminated before its final maturity date. A cost will be incurred if prevailing swap rates are lower at the time of termination that the fixed rate in the swap. Conversely, if prevailing swap rates are higher than the fixed rate, the termination would result in a breakage benefit to you. The size of the breakage cost or benefit will therefore depend on the Yield curve prevailing at the time of termination. • It is independent of the loan and requires separate documentation.” • A swap can be used by a borrower to convert floating rate loans to fixed (and vice versa) without disturbing the underlying borrowing. It is a common, well established, hedging technique used by a broad spectrum of borrowers and investors. • swaps achieve the same end as using a fixed rate loan. However, there are two key advantages: • If you entered into an interest rate swap and decide to close out the swap before maturity (for example if the loan is repaid more quickly than anticipated) you may have to pay breakage costs or you may receive a breakage payment from the Bank, dependant on subsequent swap market movements – fixed rate loan providers generally only have a cost. • Fixed rate loans do not usually provide the ability to have a forward start and often do not price complex amortisation correctly. • The main disadvantage of the swap is the inability to benefit from favourable movements in interest rates. In addition if the transaction is terminated prior to maturity a close out cost (or benefit) may arise. • Protects against increase in interest rates • Simple to transact • No up front premium to enter into the swap • Documented using standardised ISDA documentation • No benefit from falls in rates • There may be a cost (benefit) if the hedge is terminated before its final maturity date. A cost will be incurred if prevailing swap rates are lower at the time of termination that the fixed rate in the swap. Conversely, if prevailing swap rates are higher than the fixed rate, the termination would result in a breakage benefit to you. The size of the breakage cost or benefit will therefore depend on the Yield curve prevailing at the time of termination. • It is independent of the loan and requires separate documentation.”
“The following notes are important 1. Any transaction terms agreed between us verbally are legally binding contract terms. Following execution of a trade you will be required to sign legal documentation (which may include a confirmation and Master Agreement) to confirm those terms. 2. Any hedging contract that you enter into with RBS is a separate legal contract from any borrowing it may relate to. In particular, they may be terminated independently of each other and early termination of one does not automatically terminate the other. 3. The cost to you of the overall hedging structure and any borrowing is the sum of the cost of the borrowing and the net cost to you of the hedging contract, whether this is a swap, cap, collar or any other hedging structure. This is illustrated below. You may have an interest rate swap under which you receive base rate or LIBOR and pay a fixed rate. This is being used to protect interest rate risk on a loan on which you are paying base rate or LIBOR plus margin. Your resulting position under the swap and loan will be Interest Rate swap Loan Pay Receive Pay Fixed (Base rate/LIBOR) Base rate / LIBOR + Margin Effective Pay Fixed + Margin 4. If you are hedging an interest rate exposure: You will be exposed to interest rate risk if there is a mismatch between the start dates or the end dates of the underlying borrowing and any interest rate protection. This mismatch may be caused by circumstances such as a deferred start to the agreed protection or alternatively by delay in drawing down the loan. You will be exposed to interest rate risk if there is a difference between the value of the borrowing that is to be protected and the notional principal of your interest rate contract with us. 5. If derivative contracts are closed before their maturity, breakage costs or benefits may be payable. 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“4.2 We will provide you with a non-advisory dealing service in relation to shares, debentures, government and public securities, warrants, certificates representing certain securities, units, options, futures, contracts for difference and rights or interests in investments (together “Investments” and individually “Investment”) together with related research, strategy and valuation facilities. Transactions in certain Investments may be subject to separate or supplementary terms. The provision of safe custody facilities is not included in these Terms and is subject to separate terms. 4.3 We will not, except where we have specifically agreed to do so, provide you with advice on the merits of a particular transaction or the composition of any account, or provide you with personal recommendations (as defined by the FSA) in relation to any transaction or account. Accordingly, you should make your own assessment of any transaction that you are considering or of the composition of any account and should not rely on any opinion, research or analysis expressed or published by us or our affiliates as being a recommendation or advice in relation to that transaction or account. (Bold in original) 4.4 The content of any opinion, research or analysis expressed or published by us or our affiliates is based on information that we believe to be reliable but we do not represent that it is accurate or complete. Any research which we distribute is produced in accordance with our Research Conflicts Policy which can be viewed by our research clients on our website at www.rbsmarkets.com or any successor medium as designated by us. You agreed not to pass our research on to any third party without prior written approval. 6.5 Any information we provide to you relating to transactions is believed, to the best of our knowledge and belief at the time it is given, to be accurate and reliable, but no further representation is made or warranty given or liability accepted, as to its completeness or accuracy. Such information does not constitute an assurance or a guarantee as to the expected outcome of any such transaction. You should also be aware that the market conditions and pricing may change between the time we provide you with information and the time you approach us with a view to entering into a trade. 13. Confirmations After we have executed a transaction, we shall confirm the details thereof to you (which confirmation may be in electronic format or made available on a website, in which case such electronic format shall have the same effect as if served on you in written hard copy). The content of our confirmations will, in the absence of manifest error, be deemed conclusive and binding on you unless you object in writing within five business days of despatch. 15.1 If you approach us to close out a trade which has been entered into between us, we are under no obligation to do this. Where we agree to do this, we will calculate the close out value of the trade based on prevailing market conditions and may include associated costs arising from the close out in this figure. The close out value may be due from you to us or from us to you depending on the trade and may be substantial. 21.1 Nothing in these Terms will exclude or restrict any liability that we owe you under FSA Rules.”
“I think we are just going to go for the fixed rate…For the 5 years, seeing as it’s come down a bit since, erm, last time we had the meeting…Cos I think it’s something, it is going to work out about a hundred quid extra a month or something like that on average…On what we’re paying just now…”
“fixed rate”, and he confirmed it was “just the fixed rate” at “5.82 or whatever it was”
"Speaking from my own experience, I have found it essential in cases of fraud, when considering the credibility of witnesses, always to test their veracity by reference to the objective facts proved independently of their testimony, in particular by reference to the documents in the case, and also to pay particular regard to their motives and to the overall probabilities. It is frequently very difficult to tell whether a witness is telling the truth or not; and where there is a conflict of evidence such as there was in the present case, reference to the objective facts and documents, to the witnesses' motives, and to the overall probabilities, can be of very great assistance to a Judge in ascertaining the truth."
“In this regard I would say something about the importance of contemporary documents as a means of getting at the truth, not only of what was going on, but also as to the motivation and state of mind of those concerned. That applies to documents passing between the parties, but with even greater force to a party's internal documents including emails and instant messaging. Those tend to be the documents where a witness's guard is down and their true thoughts are plain to see. Indeed, it has become a commonplace of judgments in commercial cases where there is often extensive disclosure to emphasise the importance of the contemporary documents. Although this cannot be regarded as a rule of law, those documents are generally regarded as far more reliable than the oral evidence of witnesses, still less their demeanour while giving evidence.”
“possibly, possibly”
“Maybe, maybe. How can you tell, how can you tell?”
“In house accountant delighted that now only one loan and risks mitigated re hedging”
“if a bank does give an explanation or tender advice then it owes a duty to give that explanation or tender that advice fully, accurately and properly”
“we need a cont ob of£ 114k to cover a 5-yr swap based on full loan amount”
“16 Break Costs If you enter into an over-the-counter derivative transaction (such as an interest rate swap or a fixed rate deposit) with us and decide to close out the transaction before its scheduled termination date, you may have to pay breakage costs. These will be calculated by reference to prevailing market conditions and include any costs incurred by us in terminating any financial instrument or trading position. Please note that such break costs may be substantial. Where you enter into a derivatives transaction with us for the purposes of hedging a loan or other debt instrument and you subsequently wish to repay the debt (whether through a refinancing or otherwise), you should be aware that it may be necessary for us to terminate the hedging transaction prior to its scheduled termination date and satisfy any liabilities that you have to us with respect to such transaction (including break costs) before we will release any security you have provided to us with respect to such liabilities.”
“No up front premium to enter into the swap”
“how far that duty goes must once again depend on the precise nature of the circumstances and of the explanation or advice which is tendered”
“It represents the Bank's exposure in a near worst-case scenario. As the Claimants' expert agreed, it is not payable by the customer. It is an internal risk management limit which enables the Bank to monitor its risk associated with products in respect of which its exposure depends upon future movement. The CEE represents the Banks estimated exposure in a hypothetical near worst-case market conditions. Conversely, the breakage costs under the swaps represent the mark-to-market value of those contracts based on replacement contracts from the market at the actual prevailing rate at the time. That was accepted by both parties’ experts. Further, the Claimants' own expert evidence was that there was no single means of calculating the CEE, and the breakage costs of a swap (which represent the swap counterparties' liability) may not even comprise part of the CEE figure.”
“[126] The CLU, as the experts agreed, is a bank’s internal and subjective estimate of the near worst-case risk to the bank, at any given time, of default by the customer under the IRHP. Each bank’s precise method of assessment of the CLU will differ; what is common is that the CLU will change over time depending on the passage of time (all else being equal, the CLU will reduce as the remaining time under the contract reduces) and movements in the market (such as the levels of interest rates, the yield curve and volatility of the market). At RBS the CLU was calculated on the basis of a 95% confidence level. [127] Since the CLU is the bank’s estimate of the risk of default to the bank, the experts agreed that the CLU is not a contingent liability of the customer. The customer’s liability under an IHRP at any given point in time is rather the sum (if any) that the customer would have to pay to terminate the IRHP earlier, i.e. the break cost, which is calculated on the basis of the replacement cost of the contract in the market, referred to as the mark-to-market value. That is different from the CLU, but like the CLU the break cost varies over time depending on market conditions.”
“2.1.1(R) (1) A firm must act honestly, fairly and professionally in accordance with the best interests of its client (the client's best interests rule). 2.2.1(R) (1) A firm must provide appropriate information in a comprehensible form to a client about: (a) … (b) designated investments and proposed investment strategies; including appropriate guidance on and warnings of the risks associated with investments in those designated investments or in respect of particular investment strategies; (c) …; and (d) …; so that the client is reasonably able to understand the nature and risks of the service and of the specific type of designated investment that is being offered and, consequently, to take investment decisions on an informed basis. 4.5.2 (R) A firm must ensure that information: (1) …; (2) is accurate and in particular does not emphasise any potential benefits of relevant business or a relevant investment without also giving a fair and prominent indication of any relevant risks; (3) is sufficient for, and presented in a way that is likely to be understood by, the average member of the group to whom it is directed, or by whom it is likely to be received; and (4) does not disguise, diminish or obscure important items, statements or warnings. 14.3.2(R) A firm must provide a client with a general description of the nature and risks of designated investments, taking into account, in particular, the client's categorisation as a retail client …. That description must: (1) explain the nature of the specific type of designated investment concerned, as well as the risks particular to that specific type of designated investment, in sufficient detail to enable the client to take investment decisions on an informed basis; and (2) include, where relevant to the specific type of designated investment concerned and the status and level of knowledge of the client, the following elements: (a) the risks associated with that type of designated investment ...".” (a) … (b) designated investments and proposed investment strategies; including appropriate guidance on and warnings of the risks associated with investments in those designated investments or in respect of particular investment strategies; (c) …; and (d) …; A firm must ensure that information: (a) the risks associated with that type of designated investment ...".”
“(6) Customers' interests A firm must pay due regard to the interests of its customers and treat them fairly. (7) Communications with clients A firm must pay due regard to the information needs of its clients, and communicate information to them in a way which is clear, fair and not misleading”
“A key aim of FSMA is consumer protection. It proceeds on the basis that, while consumers can to an extent be expected to bear responsibility for their own decisions, there is a need for regulation, among other things to safeguard consumers from their own folly.”
“Partnership Law, 6th Ed. (2020) and specifically the last sentence (underlined below) of para 1.10, where the authors state: “The question whether a foreign entity is a corporation, and any other question as to its constitution, must be decided according to the relevant foreign law, which is the law where the entity was created. So a Delaware Limited Partnership is likely to be recognised as a limited partnership by the English courts, as will a UAE ‘mudarabah’ agreement which is similar to a limited partnership’. Where a partnership is situated depends upon where its business is carried on or principally carried on.”
“The ultimate question is whether the particular facts of the transaction, taken as a whole and viewed objectively, show that the bank assumed a responsibility to advise the customer as to the suitability of the transaction. In this regard I bear in mind the observations [of the Court of Appeal] in PAG that in the ordinary case the bank will owe no duty to explain the nature and effect of the proposed transaction to its customer, but that in “some exceptional cases” such a duty might arise.”
“…faces the hurdle that the binding contractual terms explicitly state that the relationship between them is not an advisory one; that the customer acknowledges that the bank is not advising him and that he has not relied on any advice or recommendation given by the bank. This may prove fatal to the claimant’s case.”
“The Bank contends that LEA’s analysis of the case misses out an important step. One cannot jump straight from a finding that advice, properly so called, was given to a conclusion that the Bank incurs liability if that advice was negligently given. I agree with [Counsel for the Bank’s] submission that it is not enough for LEA simply to show that something said by Mr Brindley could be regarded as advice or a recommendation; it must also show that there is a relationship of proximity between the parties giving rise to a duty of care on the part of the Bank. As Hamblen J said in Standard Chartered v Ceylon Petroleum[2011] EWHC 1785 (Comm) at paragraph 508 (citing what Gloster J has said in [JP Morgan Chase Bank v Springwell Navigation Corp[2008] EWHC 1186 (Comm) ]), the mere giving of advice, even specific investment advice, is not sufficient to establish a duty of care. This is the case even where the investment advice is relied upon by a customer.”
“In my judgment, although background and context are important in construing the actual words said to constitute advice, they cannot be a substitute for being able to identify actual words of advice. It must be possible for the claimant to point to some written or oral statement which the claimant can prove the defendant made and that he can show that he read or heard and which properly construed amounts to advice, applying the test described in the case law. The holistic approach adopted by LEA makes the test for liability too subjective and dependent on the impression that a mass of material was said to create in the mind of the claimant. It makes the claim almost impossible for a defendant to contest.”
“so we can investigate this thoroughly”
“Well I’ll go ahead and I’ll get that all booked in for you. As far as you are concerned just now that is that deal all done anyway, and I will just get something out as a confirmation for you as soon as possible”
“Please find attached a copy of your deal agreed this afternoon”
“The purpose of this document (this “Agreement”) is to set forth the terms and conditions of the transaction (the “Transaction”) entered into between the Royal Bank of Scotland plc (“Bank”) and yourselves (“Counterparty”) on the Trade Date specified below”
“3. STANDSTILL PERIOD 3.2 The Standstill Period begins on the date of this Agreement and continues until the earlier of the following dates: a) 28 days after delivery of a notice under Clause 4 b) The “Long-Stop Date”, being 4pm on9 July 2016 or such other date as the Parties may agree in writing. 4. ENDING THE STANDSTILL PERIOD BY NOTICE 4. A Party may end the Standstill Period by written notice to each other Party. 7. NOTICE AND ADDRESSES FOR SERVICE 7.1 Any notice given under this Agreement must be in writing and either delivered by hand or sent by registered post to the Address for Service, and quoting the reference, given in Clause 7.2. 7.2 The Address for Service for each Party is: Party Address for Service Reference Perks LEXLAW Solicitors 4 Middle Temple Lane London EC4Y 9AA P563 RBS RBS Legal – Markets The Royal Bank of Scotland Plc 135 Bishopsgate London EC2M 3UR Head of Risk Solutions 7.3 A Party may change its Address for Service by giving each other Party written notice of the new address and reference”
“A plaintiff may suffer economic loss or damage in a number of ways: by payment of money, by transfer of property, by diminution in the value of an asset or by the incurring of a liability. Whether loss or damage is actually suffered when any of these events occurs depends on the value of the benefit, if any, acquired by the plaintiff by paying the money, transferring the property, having the value of the asset diminished or incurring the liability. If the plaintiff acquires no benefit, the loss or damage is suffered when the event occurs. At that time, the plaintiff's net worth is reduced. And that is so even if the quantification of that loss or damage is not then ascertainable. But if a benefit is acquired by the plaintiff, it may not be possible to ascertain whether loss or damage has been suffered at the time when the burden is borne — that is, at the time of the payment, the transfer, the diminution in value of the asset or the incurring of the liability. A transaction in which there are benefits and burdens results in loss or damage only if an adverse balance is struck.”
“[T]he central concept behind the ‘no transaction’ and the ‘flawed transaction’ cases is different. For in the latter the claimant does enter into a ‘flawed transaction’ in circumstances in which, in the absence of the defendant’s breach of duty, he would have entered into an analogous, but flawless, transaction. In the former, however, the claimant also enters into a transaction but in circumstances in which, in the absence of the defendant’s breach of duty, he would have entered into ‘no transaction’ at all. The difference in concept dictates a difference in the inquiry as to whether, and if so when, the claimant suffered actual or measurable damage. In the ‘flawed transaction’ case the inquiry is whether the value to the claimant of the flawed transaction was measurably less than what would have been the value to him of the flawless transaction. In the ‘no transaction’ case the inquiry is whether, and if so at what point, the transaction into which the claimant entered caused his financial position to be measurably worse than if he had not entered into it: see Nykredit Mortgage Bank Plc v Edward Erdman Group Ltd (No.2) [1997] 1 W.L.R. [1627], at p.1631 (Lord Nicholls). The Nykredit case was a classic example of a ‘no transaction’ case in that the claimants, who had lent money on the security of a property which the defendant valuers had negligently overvalued for them, would have declined to make the loan if the valuation had not been deficient.”
“unless the debt can be reduced to a manageable level, the connection may benefit from GRG involvement”
“Unfortunately the danger in funding a strategy of rapid growth on the back of debt alone is demonstrated here. Factor in difficult trading conditions and a pretty generous remuneration package and the end result is all too plain — the business is unable to meet the calls against it and viability is in doubt. Debt to be reduced to manageable levels and in the absence of a cash injection a programme of disposal needs to be progressed.”
“We are essentially where we are at present, +ve steps have been taken by the customer however there is an enthusiasm that sometimes verges on being blinkered. It would seem sensible from the Banks perspective to support as outlined and give the customer a final chance to deliver at this point. ”
“the Borrower has entered into an interest rate hedging instrument acceptable to the Bank at a level, for a period and for a notional amount acceptable to the Bank”
“Further to our call a quick email to explain what I was discussing with you. As you know your debt is about to be restructured onto Libor from Base rate and the amounts/terms changed slightly. As you also know you currently have a base rate swap (eg fixed rate) at 5.60%, not including margin. As discussed I think there are two things to consider. 1) Change you interest rate hedging to run exactly in line with your new libor loan. I have done some sums and I believe we could change the rate from 5.60% to 5.45% and there would be no extra fees or costs to pay. I have attached a spreadsheet to show what this would look like over the first 5 years of an assumed 15 year loan and what would happen is we would simply renegotiate in 5 years time. Option 2) Draw your news facilities on libor but leave your interest rate hedge on base rate. This would mean you would have£1.9m of your debt fixed at 5.6% (excluding margin) and the remainder -£300k – at current libor – 0.67% before margin. You would also suffer the cost difference between base and libor on the£1.9m which is approx 0.17% at the moment but would vary from month to month. Technically it could act in your favour but only if Libor was to fall below base rate, which has not happened for some time. I have tried to keep the options simple but if you feel you wish to explore another option we could discuss although I believe the Relationship Team are keen to get the loan redrawn onto libor sooner than later.”
“Got your call last night but it is probably best I come back to you by email with some cashflows attached. 1) You are right the rate for new debt would be 5.45% - so I have updated cashflow. 2) Second idea is you leave current deal as is -£1.9m at 5.6% - which costs about£19,200 a month and then the rest to be floating approx.£275k over 15 years – which at current floating rates costs£1860 per month – although as that is floating could rise or fall. So total to remain as is£21100 . Obviously the new deal is slightly cheaper but it does lock you in for 5 years where as your current deal would expire in 2012. Also as option 2 has some “floating” debt then there is a risk that the costs of leaving the deal as is could increase if interest rates rise. As mentioned I can not advise but what I would say is most customers do tend to have their debt equal to their interest rate management and it is unusual to have libor debt and base rate hedging. Hope this answers your question”
“Ross, My understanding was that their was only one option i.e. a switch to LIBOR with existing base rate hedge rolled into a new LIBOR hedge to ensure no large debit re breakage costs against customer for breaking base rate hedge. The email offer that went out to Clayton only contained switch to LIBOR with new LIBOR hedge to be taken out.”
“Don’t disagree and I am working towards that – no documents needed if he agrees – just a call. Not speaking with Clayton he has me calling his “finance” guy.”
“it is just really blending the two together, so it’s kind of like getting an average rate if that makes sense”
“Two [percent] is not too bad…I know it sounds a bit crazy but the market has changed for that as well, you know, this time last year we might have been looking at one and a half or one and three quarters but it has completely changed and, you know, customers coming to us afresh are always on about two and a half [percent] or some are up at threes or sometimes even up at fours. So it is just a different world now I am afraid on that one, but you know certainly go back to Robert [Clark] and Alasdair [Hillis] and Ross [Anderson] and say is this absolutely the best you can do, there is no harm in asking.”
“It is basically the market’s expectation of where interest rates are going to go because they have obviously fallen so quickly, there is now this expectation that interest is going to rise very quickly and actually they are going to overshoot where they were previously…”
“It is not that RBS add on the big fee, you know, it’s a market price, if you phoned HBOS or Clydesdale and said what is your five year price and they were charging a two percent margin, you would still be getting the six point two. ”
“Ok, two million, where you agreed to pay us five point six percent for another three years, ok. Now we have to say well, what is the three year equivalent of that at the current price, so let’s just say for the sake of argument three percent, so we take the difference, five point six minus three so you get two percent or two point six percent and you do two million times the two point six percent and then you times that by three years because that is the three years in effect that you owe us, so that comes to about a hundred and fifty grand and that is the break cost. So we don’t go to the half [percent] because in your scenario we…you know, if a bank was not passing this along we would go to half, so we say five point six minus a half so you would actually get a break cost of five point one percent for three years which on two million would be, sorry five percent of two million…hundred grand so we times that by three, three hundred grand. So, you know, where you were saying, oh you don’t pass it along, half a percent, if we passed that along the half a percent now we would be charging you a three hundred thousand pound break cost but what we are saying is we think interest is going to go back up over three years, so we think a fairer measure of the break cost is to take that into account and we get a break cost of one hundred and fifty grand.”
“I agree, but to get to that two point seven you would have to pay me a hundred and fifty grand on top of your loan because that is what you [have] got on an existing deal at five point six…”
“Do you hedge a variable rate, you don’t”
“I appreciate that there’s … fees in there for the Bank and things”
“Obviously the new deal slightly cheaper but it does lock you in for 5 years whereas your current deal would expire in 2012”
“I am working towards that” (in other words option 1). During the call itself, Mr Munro said that the guys in the “core bank”, including Ross Anderson, were “kind of thinking that option one is better”, albeit that he then added “I mean I have to be careful because I can’t advise you”
“I think option one of the two there is best”
“[T]aking reasonable steps to ensure that an investment is suitable for a client involves taking reasonable steps to ensure that the client understands the risk involved in the transaction and that the rules are concerned with substance over form. If an investment is in fact suitable for the client, then it does not ultimately matter if there have been failings in the process.”
“[118] Authorities such as Rubinstein v HSBC[2011] EWHC 2304 (QB) per HHJ Havelock-Allen QC, sitting as a Deputy Judge of the High Court, at [81], and Teare J in the Zaki case at [83]-[85], make it clear that there has to be 'a value judgment' [Rubenstein], 'an element of opinion" or 'some advice on the merits' [Zaki] on the part of the Bank official to constitute advice being given. The test is an objective one looking at the evidence in the round. One has to ask the question 'Has there been advice or simply the giving of information?' (see Rubenstein at [83] and Thornbridge at [38]).”
“It is plainly the case that the simple giving of information without any comment will not normally amount to “advice”
“I’m profitable and have and will meet every payment. I have assets”
“We’ve never missed a payment and never will …”
“Sign here … it is just to protect you from any rise in interest rates and they are highly likely in the near future. NO MENTION THAT IF RATES FELL WE COULDN’T SELL THE PROPERTIES”
“We can show clearly that it was misrepresented to us when we were forced to sign up to it. Both Ian and I were present and Ian takes detailed notes of all meetings. (I doubt the RBS can even find who attended this meeting).”
“I do not see this a being necessarily a difficult restructure and I am committed to working with you to try and arrive at a mutually acceptable solution. Yes, the process will have a cost attached, but if this results in a position where the Bank can support your business going forward, with a financial structure that is sustainable and acceptable to both parties, I believe this is the best way forward. However, I would stress that the dialogue needs to be productive and if you do not wish to proceed as outlined in our discussions, that is your decision and the bank will provide both GCL and you personally with a suitable timeframe to refinance your indebtedness to the Bank in full.”
“Summary of Key points; 1. 22 unit chain of chiropractor surgeries, 17 in Scotland and 5 in Newcastle. All 22 units are leased, 14 of which (all in Scotland) are leased from Clayton Perks (MD) & Leanne Kay (Clayton's wife), who own the 14 properties within a partnership. 2. We have both debt in the partnership (£2,264k plus swap exposure) and the trading company (£978k loans,£50k overdraft & c£80k asset finance). Whilst property values have fallen, the partnership debt is better secured and I think we could get out in full if needed. Company exposure is more risky, given outwith the government guarantee for£303k of the exposure, we are heavily reliant on the debenture cover, which I believe will be minimal in this market. Clayton Perks believes there is a value attached to each surgery, but clearly does not want to sell in this market, when values will be low. 3. The Bank restructured the facilities in Mar/Apr-09, providing a capital repayment holiday on all of the exposure. Repayments on the main 3 loans are scheduled to start in Dec/Jan/Feb (one loan starts each month) and the annual capital and interest servicing requirement once repayments kick in is c£494k (assuming current base/libor rate). At the current time the business is not generating enough cash to start making these repayments and a further restructure will be required once the diligence has been completed. Combined with the potential security shortfall, this is the key issue why GRG has become involved in the case. Remit A. Satisfy yourself with the current financial position of the business and its viability. You will notice there are intercompany balances and directors loans, all of which you'll need to understand. B. Establish a better management accounting reporting format going forward - I don't think what we get is particularly well laid out and we should be looking to improve this going forward. This is more a side issue but we should deal with. Happy to get your opinion on this once you've had a look. C. Subject to viability, assist the directors in the production of a coherent plan for taking the business forward. There are a lot of potential options such as (i) degearing by selling property assets; (ii) selling surgeries &; (iii) operational improvement. These are in no particular order - the key thing is that if the business is to go forward, the Bank needs to have a debt level and repayment profile that can be serviced over a reasonable timescale. This may mean that no degearing is required, but until you understand what cash the business can generate to service its obligations, we can do no more than guestimate what the solution is. Clayton's solution is based on growing turnover and cutting costs (I don't necessarily buy this), but this is hard to deliver and you will need to take a view on this. There is a swap on the partnership debt, fixing the interest on£2,294k of debt at 5.4% plus margin (2%). As a result, any degearing options will need to be explored taking into account the effect on the swap. D. The plan should include a fully integrated set of projections and narrative, and we can discuss potential funding options in due course. E. Provide clarity on what the directors drawings are. Clayton has historically taken a lot of money out of the business (he funded a house build in Australia at one point). He has made a number of cuts, but I want visibility on exactly what is being taken out. I think it may be a combination of dividends and salary, and there are also directors loans outstanding (that are forecast to increase). This is to fund his living expenses (a lot of which will be sent back to Australia) but also has, to date, funded the shortfall between the debt service cost of the 14 properties in his personal name and the amount of rent paid across by the surgeries towards this. Clearly we will need to agree an appropriate remuneration level going forward. F. Can you check/confirm the formal leases in place for the partnership properties. G. Prime Clayton on the pricing discussion (i.e. subject to viability and evidence of cash generation the Bank may support outwith standard parameters, but there will be a cost for such). H. What value do you think the surgeries have (and therefore do we actually have better security cover under GCL/NCL)? I. Review what property input we need - I can give you a copy of the existing valuations but do not want to waste time or money on full suite of further valuations if we don't think appropriate. We can then agree what work we get done once you have spent some time with the business. Clayton seems a charismatic individual but thinks big and too far ahead. He needs to deal with the existing problems and worry about growth of the business much further down the line. As you will see from the e-mails he has sent me (attached), he is already suggesting solutions before we have understood where we are - he needs to slow down! In terms of key personnel, Clayton in the key driver and decision maker. His in house accountant, Ian Fordyce, will be no more than a number cruncher. There is quite a lot to take in so please give me a call after you have digested. I will forward you Clayton's contact details once I have confirmation from him. Clearly this is not set in stone and more issues may arise once you get involved”
“Aileen Pringle has been working with the company to review the financial position of the business and assist in the development of a mutually acceptable strategy going forward. Progress was slowed by the MD (Clayton Perks) going back to Australia for one month over the festive period. The main points of progress are as follows: (1) Initial PMU [Portfolio Management Unit] view on the current valuations for the partnership property portfolio was that they could have fallen as much as 40%. Given this concern, we have instructed Speirs Gumley to carry out formal valuations, which are currently in course. (2) Management accounts are up-to-date and Aileen has been working to agree finalised projections. The first set have been revised as we were of the view that they were too optimistic. (3) Security review has been conducted with no significant issues raised. (4) We informed Clayton Perks that we would not break the swap and absorb a portion of the breakage costs. He has acknowledged this and to date it has not been raised again. Whilst ideally we would have liked to have agreed the way forward by now, we are not missing any opportunity on pricing as I do not believe the business will be in a position to pay increased margin or up front fees. The indication is that servicing anything more than interest will be incredibly tight and we will likely be reliant on an improvement in our underlying security asset values to reduce our shortfall over the medium term. We will of course seek to maximise any available debt reduction in the Company first, as this is where we are more exposed. With the central cost base being reasonably fixed, the business is heavily reliant on turnover to be viable, which at the current time is around the break even level (c£70k per week). To this end Aileen is exploring both further cost cutting opportunities and the ability to sell off a couple of surgeries to reduce the debt level. The finalised deal will involve a PPA [Property Participation Agreement] over the partnership property portfolio and some element of deferred pricing within the company.”
“just about arriving at deal time for GCL”
“Again, I can’t recall exactly where it was in my witness statement, but I did say that sometimes in that role, I had to explain to the customer what the bank could and could not do. Now, there is no point in saying −− the customer or me saying to the bank, do not charge a PPA, if the bank was going to charge the PPA and they had a −− they had −− my understanding was that they had set −− well, they had a model and it was within these parameters that they used to set the pricing, and there is no point in saying, “I am not paying anything”, because that would just be a stalemate and nobody would move on. ”
“at least by giving time, a chance of improvement exists”
“We face a difficult position where the Bank has allowed a customer to leverage up against property asset values without sufficient strength within the trading business that is ultimately responsible for servicing all the debt. Both cost cutting and income generation actions are being taken within the businesses and we can try and support a solvent turnaround without increasing our exposure. On this basis it is the right thing to do and hopefully in the medium term the debt will be reduced to a manageable level. Even if the turnaround fails, the passing of time should be beneficial to the underlying property asset values, which will assist the position should we ever need to seek property sales to recover our debt.”
“a) A combination or understanding between two or more people; b) An intention to injure the claimant. The intention to injure does not have to be the sole or predominant intention. It is sufficient if the defendant intends to advance its economic interests at the expense of the claimant; c) Unlawful acts carried out pursuant to the combination or understanding; and d) Loss to the claimant suffered as a consequence of those unlawful acts.”