“I was dressing X. She was sitting on the floor, taking off her PJ and was TO (short for touching) herself. I asked her was she sore? She said no. Her dad does that to her fanny. Asked was it in the bath? She said no, in Mum’s bedroom and Mum said: Don’t do that again. Not Kenny, other Dad”
“I attended the children’s home and spoke with X. She is a very young girl, 3 years old. We had a discussion regarding what she had told her foster carer and who had touched her inappropriately. She made no disclosures and when asked directly if S touched her genital area, she shook her head. X has never mentioned the incident since. With regard to this allegation X is too young to ABE interview. When spoken to by myself, she made no disclosures. When asked about any possible sexual abuse she made no disclosure. All enquiries regarding this incident are now complete.”
“He did it in my bedroom. S took his trousers off and showed me his willy”
“Did anyone hurt your bottom?” and the complainant repeated the allegation, “Yes, S did it.”
“Q…what did you tell the doctor about your bottom, can you remember? A. S got hurt me. Q. S hurt your bottom and how did he hurt your bottom? A. Cos he gave me his willy. Q. Say that again. A. He gave me his willy. Q. He gave you his willy and what did he do with his willy? A. He got hurt me. Q. How did he do it. Show me? A. Well he put it in me. Q. He put it in you whereabouts? A. There. Q. There, at the front, (X nods) OK and what did he do with his hands when he put his willy there? A. He didn’t …he didn’t put his hand in there. Q. What did he put there? A. He just put his willy in there.”
“You was like that, so you was lying on your front. Would that be right? On your front, yes OK. And how was S lying? A. Not very well. Q. Not very…do you remember what position you were lying? Do you remember? Can you show me? A. He was lying down like that too.”
“everyone tells fibs don’t they?” and “what about if you don’t want to get into trouble?”
“Q. What about if you thought Y (her older sister) was going to get into trouble? Would you tell a fib then to help her? A ( Witness shakes her head) Q What about to help Z (her younger sister)? A. (Witness shakes her head) Q. Never? Do you remember Curly Kate asked you a question? When she saw you one time, she asked you whether S had ever touched you. Do you remember? A. (Witness nods) Q. You shook your head, didn’t you? Do you remember? Do you remember that? A. (Witness nods) Q. She touched down here and said: “ Did you ever get touched by S there?”
“ The court deprecates the calling of a child of this age as a witness…the jury could not attach any value to the evidence of a child of five: it is ridiculous to suppose they could…”
“…the validity of, and good sense behind, that proposition has remained untrammelled in the practice of the criminal court… ”
“An intelligent child is generally a good witness in matters within his comprehension. Being accustomed to observe more than to reflect, he tells what he has seen or heard without drawing inference or pre-conceived opinion…in cross-examination a young witness generally tells ingenuously whether he has been tutored, and (if so) what he was desired to say.”