“(TJ) “My view was you should not be here today as you don’t understand my first decision. Only here if amount is disputed.” (C) It is – should be nothing.”
“10.00 a.m. Unable to begin. Fraud officer only. Was waiting for PO (presenting officer). Wrong venue. 10.03 a.m. None here [presumably meaning no presenting officer available at the venue]. Proceed in their absence. 10.03 a.m.”
“... the written submission to the tribunal by the Secretary of State had completely failed to identify and discuss the statutory provisions applicable to the diminishing capital point in dispute. The claimant could hardly be expected to uncover these for himself. The Secretary of State’s submission left him, therefore, ignorant of the case against him.”
“It thus appears that the appeals process may well have run its entire course without the claimant ever [being] told that there was a regulation that governs the diminishment of capital for overpayment purposes. In my submission, this is unacceptable and amounts to an error of law.”
“I believe that by stopping my Income Support and making me live off the proceeds of selling the shares I held until my total assets were less than 3000 pounds fully corrected the overpayment and that there is nothing left to repay”
“Regulation 14 applies to reduce the amount of a recoverable overpayment that has arisen on account of the amount of the claimant’s capital by making a quarterly diminution of that capital equivalent to the amount of benefit overpaid. This is a concession to the claimant. It works on the assumption that the claimant would have drawn on the capital if the benefit had not been paid. By its terms, it only applies for the purposes of the overpayment decision. It is notional in its effect. It does not treat the capital as reduced for any other purpose, let alone for all purposes. It is a notional reduction that applies for a particular purpose only. If the claimant claims benefit later, that claim must be decided on the circumstances obtaining at that time, including the amount of capital actually held by the claimant.”
“(2) Where any such determination as is referred to in subsection (1) above is made, the person making the determination shall in the case of the Secretary of State or the First-tier Tribunal, and may in the case of the Upper Tribunal or a court — (a) determine whether any, and if so what, amount is recoverable under that subsection by the Secretary of State, and (b) specify the period during which that amount was paid to the person concerned.”
“Now, the suggestion has been made, in Decision CSB/083/91, at paragraph 8, that the effect of this new provision was to outlaw the previous practice of remitting the quantification question. I do not think that is the effect of subsection (IA). In my view, it deals with the situation which would obtain if a tribunal, or for that matter a Commissioner, merely stated that the overpayment was recoverable, without specifying the amount of such overpayment or making any provision for its determination. For in that event the whole matter would be left in the air. The new sub-section does not, however, forbid the convenient practice of referring such issues, which are often merely arithmetical, to the parties to determine themselves if they can, reserving to the relevant adjudicating authority the ultimate determination if they cannot. In cases where this practice has been adopted, the relevant adjudicating authority will have provided for determination of the amount of the overpayment, and, as explained earlier, the decision will become full and final when the amount has been finally fixed, whether by agreement between the parties, or on final adjudication by the tribunal or Commissioner, as the case may be. There is no question of the matter having been left in limbo. Accordingly, I do not consider that subsection (lA) has done anything to disturb the existing practice of remitting matters of quantification.”