“Of course it must be proved that there has, in respect of each transaction, been a default, and that that default is dishonest, but that can be, in my judgment a fraud committed by anyone down the line and in respect of the person claiming the input tax the question is whether that person had knowledge of it. In my judgment the judge was right in so concluding and it does not seem to me to be arguable to the contrary.”
“Tony’s concluding remarks again indicated that these measures are aimed at serial abusers and that legitimate businesses have nothing to worry about. However, he stressed that legitimate businesses should not unwittingly get caught up in fraud.”
“Our first trades will either occur in the last week of November or the first week in December and in the case of those sales abroad, our VAT specialists will set up the daily procedures with HMCE in accordance with best practice, so that you are fully informed in each case on each transaction. As we have not traded before there is one question I wonder whether you could help me with. It is to do with monthly VAT repayment to us. I presume you will want to see us each month and go through each and every transaction to confirm the amount. My question is that if we provide a daily schedule of every trade throughout the month to you, and then submit the return ... How long would it be normally before you had reviewed it and if OK passed it for payment; and how long would it take between being passed for payment and receipt of funds?”
“I would like Greystone International to be a shining star in the way in which it co-operates with HMC&E to demonstrate that the requirements set out are reasonable and workable within the industry. We have no history in trading when things were not as clear, so we are confident that in future if we work within the guidelines required by HMC&E the chances of a VAT non repayment to us are very unlikely. We, for example, will be checking every box, not just samples in every batch. Our specialists who have Professional Indemnity Insurance will be visiting our suppliers and purchasers and documenting details, validating addresses, etc. etc. If they get it wrong, they know we will sue them. You will be notified every day about every trade, both purchase and sale; and you will be welcome to visit us at any time to check our records.”
“the company requires (from the outset) to be on a monthly tax stagger. Mr. Morrison thought that they were and when he was informed that he was not, he stated that this would cause serious damage to their cash-flow/financial forecasts and would potentially mean that the business does not start. He and his tax consultant implored that they be put on monthly returns as soon as possible. I informed Mr. Morrison that although it is not Department policy to refuse such requests outright, we have a duty of care for the management of VAT and as such it may be that they will have to remain on quarterly returns until their first completed return has been fully verified and if found to have no missing/high jacked [ sic ] VRNs, then their request would be reviewed. I did inform Mr. Morrison (during interview) I would make a recommendation that they go onto monthly returns, however, after obtaining a full list of their potential customers (who appear to be new ‘players’ based in Israel, Dubai, Luxembourg & Portugal) and more importantly having established that Sound Solutions Ltd., a company in which Adam Thompson (Sales Director with Greystone) is an employee, is under active investigation, I have now made a recommendation to Barry Johnson (Regional Co-ordinator) that this trader remains on quarterly returns until their first trading return has been verified.”
“As you will know, Customs and Excise has detected widespread abuse of the VAT system by missing traders not accounting for amounts charged as VAT, notwithstanding the payment of tax credits to those traders who later despatch goods from the UK to other Member States or elsewhere. This abuse is predominantly in transactions involving mobile phones and computer chips. Losses in terms of abuse are currently estimated at between£1.65 and£2.64 billion per annum. From the information provided, I understand that Greystone International Ltd. is a new company formed to make purchases of mobile phones within the UK with the intention to make onward sales to the EU and third countries. Your request has been carefully considered taking into account the structure of its funding, the business history of its directors (including their declared business associations and that of its financial backers) and the proposed list of suppliers and customers. Although Greystone International Ltd. would appear to be a new company with no previous trading history (and as a consequence no record of poor compliance), given the overall nature of the trade proposed I have a fear that a movement to monthly returns as requested would have the consequence that the Commissioners would be at risk of a higher volume of transactions by those persons intending to abuse the VAT system than would otherwise be the case. This is because a move to monthly accounting would provide additional liquidity within a chain of sales and purchases to support additional transactions that would not have else occurred [ sic ]. A move to monthly returns therefore exposes the Commissioners to an increased risk of loss of revenue. In all the circumstances I therefore refuse the application made. I make no allegations of dishonesty or knowing involvement in VAT abuse against you and should any of my assumptions about the nature of the business of Greystone International Ltd. be incorrect then I will of course be happy to reconsider the question.”
“Vince Thank you for your email with the enclosure from your senior manager. You will probably have gathered that I have a strong wish to deal in this market place, and I have been very open with you, as to my views on why we can make the small profits available. Also, having requested monthly VAT returns over a year ago and having been told this would be no problem, at a time before I appointed John and Adam Thompson as directors; and because you informed our meeting that with the evidence available you thought you could recommend approval – I believe something has been unearthed of which I have not been cognizant and which perhaps you may not wish to tell me. This is purely conjecture and my own sensitivity in dealing with people over a long period. I have known Mike Osborne ... for over 20 years ... I have therefore informed both John and Adam Thompson that I wish them to resign as directors and I will take back the shares that they purchased at the same par value. They have agreed and interestingly without too much fuss, which is another indication to me that my gut reaction is correct. On this basis, could I ask that I might be able to have a meeting with your senior manager to discuss the matters, in general terms and without commitment?”
“This decision would stand irrespective of your action to restructure the company in terms of its directorships and is based solely upon the fact that the business sector in which you intend to trade poses a high risk of loss to the Department. However, the Commissioners will agree to review this position following receipt of your first two quarterly trading VAT returns. These returns will be subject to full verification, and if the supply chain is found to be satisfactory, then consideration will be given to moving the company onto monthly returns.”
“Vince, I have given Adam the go ahead now that you have confirmed you are sending us the pittance! In the UK only. However, I have decided that once we have been established, I want to buy in the UK and sell outside the EU because HMC&E have killed the inter EU trading, which means that the players establish new markets. We can now get funds from purchasers in US who will provide us money up front, which enables us to place and pay for orders in the UK and/or suppliers in UK who will wait a few days for payment if we ship abroad because of the HMC&E devastating their previous turnovers. In other words you have created conditions for an entirely new market to open up with business people being less demanding about payment if they trust us, because the risk of VAT fraud disappears. What I want to ask you, is if we buy in the UK and only sell in the UK or abroad but never in the EU, can we get monthly from you on the basis that if ever the goods came back VAT would be payable on import. Thus your risk of carousel fraud does not exist. Can you set up a meeting with your senior manager if you think this is a problem, as I don’t see one at all. Thanks”
“The Commissioners of HM Customs & Excise will consider it necessary to verify the whole UK supplier deal-chain irrespective of the fact that a business within a deal-chain of transactions has removed the goods from the UK to a place outside the EU. In the potential scenario that you provide, the Department has experience that where goods leave the UK for a third country (i.e. outside the EU), the goods can and often do return to the UK, not directly but via another Member State and thus entering the UK VAT free (zero-rated). When the deal chains are subsequently verified, these can and sometimes do identify missing, hijacked or defaulting traders.”
“.. to date the trading has been very modest, comprising two purchases and two sales (one sale to Hong Kong and the other to Dubai). We may do some UK to UK trades too, but out concentration will be buying in the UK and shipping abroad outside the EU.”
“... as time developed, and by the time we get to 2006, did you feel that you had some responsibility in the sense of decision-making? Or did you feel that at the end of the day it was for the directors for you to go to if you had any decisions of any substance to make ... in regards to any of the work that you did?”
“I’d generally talk to the directors”
“Foot Note. Adam overpaid$1.50 on 10 box’s [ sic ]”
‘If the transaction is not completed within 36 hours of the receipt of the of the full purchase amount by the Supplier, and is due to any action of the Supplier bound by the signature of the undersigned, then the purchase amount will be returned to Greystone Int Ltd. If Greystone Int Ltd cannot fulfil the order due to End Customer [the Appellant’s customer] default then the full purchase amount must be returned to Greystone Int Ltd by the Supplier.’