"When (the Store Manager, Mrs Curnow) came to interviewing Mrs Hobbs, both ladies were greatly upset. They had known each other well, they had been on friendly terms, and it is clear neither of them knew quite what to say. It was a very short interview. Mrs Curnow's mind was clearly made up and the dismissal took place. It was not really an interview, it was more an announcement that dismissal was inevitable, and that was the end of the matter.
"21 We have already pointed out that there was no proper interview with either applicant, and we will deal first with Mrs Hobbs. She was not offered a representative, contrary to the Code of Practice. We explained the reason why Mrs Curnow did not think it necessary. Mrs Curnow did concede, questioned by the Tribunal, that it might have been better to delay matters and organise a disciplinary meeting at a later date. That simply did not occur. In our judgment, that should have been offered, although we understand Mrs Curnow's point that both sides were extremely distressed on this particular day. Another day should have been offered to Mrs Hobbs, by which time she could gather her thoughts, organise a representative had she wished to do so, and marshall her facts. She could have said anything in her defence which she wanted to say - presumably what she told us today. She wanted to bring an appeal. To most employers, the letter would have indicated this and an appeal should have been set up. For those reasons we find that in Mrs Hobbs' case, the dismissal was unfair, having regard to the procedural faults. She had no proper interview and no appeal at all.
"..... the subject matter for the Tribunal's consideration is the employer's action in treating the reason as a sufficient reason for dismissing the employee. It is that action and that action only the Tribunal is required to characterise as reasonable or unreasonable. That leaves no scope for the Tribunal considering whether, if the employer had acted differently, he might have dismissed the employee. It is what the employer did that is to be judged, not what he might have done. On the other hand, in judging whether what the employer did was reasonable it is right to consider what a reasonable employer would have had in mind at the time he decided to dismiss as the consequence of not consulting or not warning.
"25 Turning to the question of compensation. There are two elements in compensation:
"..... a consideration of two factors. The first is that the Tribunal must take a view as to what would have happened but for the unfair dismissal. Would the employee have continued in employment indefinitely, or for a limited period, or was there a realistic chance that he would have been dismissed? The second is the calculation of the actual loss for the period which is considered appropriate."
"Where the Tribunal considers that any conduct of the complainant before the dismissal (or, where the dismissal was with notice, before the notice was given) was such that it would be just and equitable to reduce ..... the amount of the basic award to any extent, the Tribunal shall reduce ..... that amount accordingly."
"It is clear that if contribution is to be found, on principle, it should be found equally in proportion both to the basic award, and to the compensatory award and that is to be found in R.S.P.C.A v Cruden (1986) I.C.R. 205."
"It should be made clear that Mr Birts accepted that there is a discretion, and that any suggestion that the mere fact that the Tribunal has not reduced the basic and the compensatory awards in precisely the same proportions is necessarily indicative of a failure properly to exercise their discretion cannot be sustained."
"Plainly both subsections involve the exercise of a discretion, and the wording of each, while sufficiently different to admit of differentiation in cases where the Tribunal finds on the facts that it is justified, is sufficiently similar to lead us to conclude that it is only exceptionally that such differentiation will be justified."
"It may turn out that the deduction which is just and equitable under Section 73(7B) of the Act of 1978 is not the same as that which is just and equitable under Section 74(6). The reason for that could be that in the case of Section 74 there would already have been a deduction under subsection (1) by reason of the Tribunal's conclusion as to the likelihood that the employee would not have remained further employed in any event. That can affect what is just and equitable under subsection (6)."