"We do however accept that in determining an appeal the Appeal Tribunal will accept as fact the finding of the tribunal."
"We have to say that having applied the law as it stands in Polkey vAE Dayton Services the tribunal then has to go on to consider the likelihood of compensation being successful, and while leaving the matter of remedy open it does seem to us that as Mr Appleyard was in fact taken on again, although his contract had in fact expired and his was of a temporary nature, that had proper consultation taken place it may well have been that Mrs Kneeshaw would have continued in full employment. It may be that Mr Appleyard would not have continued to be in full employment."
"What happened in this case was that the employers failed to properly identify the facts as likely to give rise to a redundancy situation in law because they wished to avoid redundancies, and numerous discussions were carried out with joint funding bodies but none with the employees with a view that there might be redundancies. So it was at a meeting between the management and Mrs Kneeshaw with Mr Kneeshaw present - he happens to be an ACAS official - which was to persuade her to take a cut in hours, that the question of redundancy was first raised by Mr Kneeshaw who was well aware of the law."
"the Appeal Tribunal will accept as fact the finding of the [industrial] tribunal."
"i. the tribunal reached an unreasonable decision based upon the facts and circumstances.
"The tribunal state they have applied the principles of Polkey, but which principles? They have detailed a series of events but they have not dealt with the circumstances known to the employer and why these have been rejected. They have concentrated purely on the question of consultation and warnings."
"in the case of redundancy, the employer will normally not act reasonably unless he warns and consults any employees affected or their representative, adopts a fair basis on which to select for redundancy and takes such steps as may be reasonable to avoid or minimise redundancy by redeployment within his own organisation."
"In considering whether the employer acted reasonably or unreasonably in treating the reason for dismissal as a sufficient reason for dismissing the employee, there is no scope for the tribunal to consider whether, if the employer had acted differently he might have dismissed the employee. It is what the employer did that is to be judged, not what he might have done.
"The applicant was dismissed on the grounds of redundancy. Full and detailed consultation took place with the applicant throughout the whole period commencing as early as February 1992. She has also been represented in the consultation process, when she was accompanied by her husband as a meeting held on the16th March 1992 ."
"numerous discussions were carried out with joint funding bodies but none with the employees with a view that there might be redundancies."
"certainly it would be the usual practice for consultations to take place and it is interesting to note what Council Directive 75/129, which deals with collective redundancies and therefore is not entirely applicable in this case, says about consultation procedures and purpose. It says that consultations shall be done with a view to reaching an agreement and that these consultations shall at least cover ways and means of avoiding (in this case in the directive) collective redundancies, or reducing the numbers of workers affected and in mitigating the consequences. So that is a helpful highlight as to what consultations are and their purpose and it shows that they take place when a potential redundancy situation is identified or ought to be identified in order to, principally, avoid that situation ever taking effect."
"5. (b) At the information centre she [Mrs Kneeshaw] . .. worked some weekends, although in her job as promotions officer she did occasional outside events during the weekend, but to cover the weekends a Mr Kim Appleyard was employed on temporary contracts during the summer season and he was employed at grades higher than the applicant and was subsequently graded grade 3 where she remained on grade 1. (c) The applicant has produced and given evidence that the tasks that she undertook were broadly similar to those undertaken by Mr Kim Appleyard and her exhibit A3 sets out those activities in detail. Mr Appleyard has given evidence and clearly resented the suggestion that their tasks were broadly similar. He highlighted the fact that he worked at weekends and that he had ultimate responsibility for cash and stock. On the other hand Mrs Kneeshaw undertook clerical and typing duties, which were her ultimate responsibility, which were things that Mr Appleyard did not do. Of course, although Mrs Kneeshaw did not work regularly at weekends and her contract was permanent as opposed to the seasonal nature of Mr Appleyard's contract, he did in fact have days off during the week to compensate for his working at weekends. Mr Dawson's evidence (Mr Dawson was the project officer and their immediate superior) was quite definite that their duties were largely interchangeable and broadly similar and he was clearly of the opinion that any differences between them were not of any particular importance and the tribunal accept his evidence in that respect.
"A woman is to be regarded as employed on like work with men if, but only if, her work and theirs is of the same or a broadly similar nature, and the differences (if any) between the things she does and the things they do are not of practical importance in relation to terms and conditions of employment; and accordingly in comparing her work with theirs regard shall be had to the frequency or otherwise with which any such differences occur in practice as well as to the nature and extent of the differences."
"It is accepted that one of the posts was originally graded the same as the applicants. However since then the duties and responsibilities of this post have increased and the grade amended to reflect this."
" [The Tribunal's] criticism of the respondent was principally that they failed to identify a redundancy situation and failed to consult with a view to avoiding a redundancy situation or mitigating is consequences. An offer was made to Mrs Kneeshaw of part-time work which she rejected and clearly at that stage it was more beneficial to take a redundancy payment and, being over 50, to take her pension, which is an index-linked pension, than to continue in part-time employment."
"It is likely, therefore, that had consultation taken place Mr Appleyard would, as it were, have been kept in post by the employers and had that been situation that consultation had taken place and Mr Appleyard had got the job rather than Mrs Kneeshaw, that would have been a decision which fell within a broad band of reasonable responses which the Tribunal could not upset, had Mrs Kneeshaw then, under that situation, come to claim unfair dismissal."
"for the post that Mr Appleyard already occupied which post was to end on13 September 1992 "
"It seems to us that, bearing in mind the potency of the fact that Mr Appleyard was the post holder"
"the most likely result of that consultation would have been that Mrs Kneeshaw would still have not been employed at the time that she was indeed dismissed."
"had some natural history skills which Mrs Kneeshaw did not have and they saw that as important in the post that he occupied."