“As a result of the disagreement about who should attend the doTERRA event in Lisbon, Andrew and I had a discussion over the phone about how Lux could service both Herbalife and doTERRA moving forwards. I had a phone call with Andrew in early March 2023 about how we could best achieve this. It was clear to me that Andrew no longer had an interest in working with Herbalife. I suggested that in the short term, we divide our resources so that he could focus on the current job for doTERRA and I could focus on servicing Herbalife. Andrew agreed. I did not say that I did not want to be involved in producing videos for doTERRA. I was simply trying to find a solution where Lux could continue to service both Herbalife and doTERRA. It was never agreed that he would service doTERRA independently of Lux, or that I would have Herbalife as my client. It was all going to be under the Lux umbrella. He would be using the Lux office and Lux equipment when working with doTERRA, and I would also continue to work with Herbalife through Lux. We had enough resources to continue working with both doTERRA and Herbalife. At no point did I say that we should separate as a business or each take a client. I remember clarifying this plan with him three times over the phone. I wanted to make sure that we were both on the same page and that this was going to work for Lux.”
“...general Turin is fine. Doesn’t prove anything.”
“I readily accept that the point of law is arguable. The distinctive feature of a conspiracy (whether criminal or civil, and whether a lawful means conspiracy or an unlawful means conspiracy) is the agreement or understanding between the parties: see Ablyazov at [9]. It is the combination which, if it is acted on and causes loss, makes the conspiracy actionable: ibid. It is not obvious that there is the requisite combination if all that happens is that a person uses his company to commit an unlawful act. This is the basis of Nield J’s decision in R v McDonnell: see at 245C-D where he said that where the sole responsible person in the company is the defendant himself, it would not be right to say that there were two persons or two minds, and that if it were otherwise it would offend against the basic concept of a conspiracy, namely an agreement of two or more to do an unlawful act. Although a criminal case, it is not obvious why the same should not be true in a civil conspiracy: see eg AAH Pharmaceuticals Ltd v Birdi[2011] EWHC 1625 (QB) at [31] where Coulson J described such a radical distinction as in principle unattractive. [...] However there are arguments the other way. It is established that a contract can be made between a person and a company of which he is the sole director: Lee v Lee’s Air Farming Ltd[1961] AC 12 ; and a contract requires an agreement just as much as a conspiracy does. There is Irish Supreme Court authority holding that a director can be liable for conspiring with two companies controlled by him: Taylor v Smyth [1991] IR 142 (followed by Gloster J in the High Court here, albeit without full argument, in Barclay Pharmaceuticals at [229]). There McCarthy J said at 166 that he saw no reason in principle why the mere fact that one individual controls a company should give them both immunity from suit “in the case of an established arrangement for the benefit of both company and individual to the detriment of others.”
“He concluded at p. 246 that, whilst an indictment for common law conspiracy to defraud would lie against a limited company, ‘the true position is that a company and a director cannot be convicted of conspiracy when the only human being who is said to have broken the law or intended to do so is the one director, and that is the situation in the present case.’ No authority was cited in support of extending this proposition to an action for civil conspiracy. In principle, it would seem invidious, for example, that the assets of a limited company should not be liable to answer for conspiracy where its assets had been augmented as a result of the action alleged to constitute the conspiracy. Essentially, it would be permitting to company to lift is corporate veil as and when its suits. [...] Apart from authority, in principle, I see no reason why the mere fact that one individual controls the company of limited liability, should give immunity from suit to both that company and that individual in the case of an established arrangement for the benefit of both company and individual to the detriment of others. If such were the case, it would follow that a like arrangement to the advantage of two companies of limited liability, both controlled by the same individual would give an equal immunity from suit to both companies, and so on. I recognise the force of the reasoning by Nield J in Reg v McDonnell [supra]. I express no view in regard to his conclusion save to point out the obvious, - it was a criminal case.”