“Extremely toxic and cult like environment (known to be by far the worst in the industry). Not only do people overtly shout for no reason at juniors, it is actually encouraged. People have had to “make juniors cry" to get promoted. The better you fit into this toxic environment the more you get rewarded . . .”
“I get the impression that if you are a trader, it's a really great place to work”
“to disclose to the Company full details of his own wrongdoing and any wrongdoing by any employee of any Vercer Group Company where that wrongdoing is material to that employee’s employment by the relevant company or to the interests or reputation of the Company and/or any Vercer Group Company”
"Prospective Restricted Contact" means any person who is acting or might act in the capacity of a broker, market maker or other intermediary or trading counterparty to Vercer or any Vercer Group Company to whom Vercer or any Vercer Group Company has offered to supply services or has provided details of the terms on which it would or might be willing to supply services or has had any negotiations or discussions regarding the possible supply of services; "
“That is the way Stephen referred to it, yes”
“Personal reasons, health reasons, needs a change… He was in tears”
“would make sense to go there and take over propane in dubai”
“I refer to our meeting at 10:30 this morning when I informed you I had received an offer of employment. For the avoidance of doubt, I confirm that I have also provided the offeror with a copy of paragraph 13 of my contract of employment, in accordance with the requirements of paragraph 1 3(h) of the contract. I told you in the same meeting that I had decided to accept the offer. I really appreciate the gracious way you responded to my news. In particular, I am grateful for your understanding that I have made my decision for a mixture of reasons after really careful thought and I cannot be persuaded to change my mind. This letter is my formal written notice to terminate my employment. Under paragraph 6(a) of my employment contract I am required to give the company 12 months' written notice to terminate, therefore my last day of employment will be20 November 2024 . As you know, apart from doing the requested handover this morning before going home, I have not spoken to any colleagues about my decision other than you and Jono (who, with your permission, I called after I left the office), nor have I said anything to any brokers. As you requested, if anyone contacts me in the next couple of days to ask about my situation, I will simply say that I am taking some time off. I do want to agree as soon as possible what Dare would like me to say in response to the inevitable questions about my resignation. As I said in our meeting, I am keen that my decision is not seen as reflecting badly on Dare. I look forward to hearing from you regarding next steps. Like you, I sincerely hope that we will remain friends and thank you once again for the past five years at Dare”
“The initial tasks that I would like you to carry out, are: Propane Desk tasks 1. Prepare full write-ups of all the Propane strategies that Dare has been pursuing. This should include a full summary of all the strategies you use on the Propane desk, as well as the thinking and reasoning behind each strategy. 2. Prepare a breakdown of the [redacted] statistical analysis method and the reasoning behind that. 3. Prepare a summary of the Propane brokers you work with, including who they are, the interests they manage, their behaviour and anything that it would be helpful to know from an inter-personal perspective. [Other sector] Desk tasks 4. Research marketing strategies for the [exchange] for the following product sectors: [6 sectors identified] 5. The marketing strategies should include: 1. Inter-dealer broker and category 1/2/3 broker analysis and recommendations for coverage and interaction. 2. Direct trading opportunities. 3. Broker screen analysis. 4. Daily volume by hour (busy periods etc analysis). 5. Volatility of each product and any correlations. 6. Hedging strategies / large ticket hedging strategies. 7. [exchange] select bid / offer vs broker market analysis. 8. Settlement methodology. 9. Main sources of data - what should be used i.e. Bloomberg, broker screens, tray port etc. 10. [confidential] methodology including historical ticker analysis. 11. Any possibilities for inter product arbitrage. 12. Any opportunities for financial vs physical arbitrage. 13. Cross exchange arbitrage opportunities. 14. [redacted trading strategies]. 15. Analysis of market participants. 16. Fundamental analysis of main price drivers. 17. Proprietary trade analysis with regards to high and low levels on all traded structures within each product. 18. Any seasonality / [redacted] price structure analysis. 19. Tail risks of trading each product. 20. Recommendation for book structure including inter product spreads. 3. As discussed, I suggest that we sit down each four-month period to discuss and agree your tasks for the next four-month period. Some other tasks that you could do later in your notice period could be leading the Sales Desk strategy and potentially trading on another desk.”
“I doubt I'm saying anything ground breaking here, but despite external appearances, most of the ELT are feeling vulnerable and, for want of a better work, pretty terrified right now. The majority of them share one particular trait: the pressure they put on themselves. This outweighs anything which the company has put on them, and I have had to mandate holiday for the majority of them at one time or another as they visibly approach breaking point. As an aside, Whoop data proving invaluable here, and already I have intervened to address issues with individuals. The pressure they feel to perform pushes them into unhealthy behaviours, neglecting self-care, and believing they are accountable for far more than reality dictates. They also have a belief that admitting vulnerability is a weakness which will delay their progression. On the last point, I have managed to break through this barrier with them all, however I don't believe they fully admit their weaknesses to anyone else outside of myself and Holly, so one to always be aware of. This naturally permeates through the junior ranks to an extent. However, with the new structure, I cannot understate the significance of the opportunity to make changes to the culture and materially improve performance. With the level and amount of talent in the team, we can now focus on ensuring every trader is doing appropriate hours and has several opportunities to reset during the week. Essentially, I want them to diverge from the belief that the best way to progress is to pull a 14-hour day without a break, 5 days a week. Optimising how they work will improve performance. The corollary to this is that in order to have these benefits, they will need to show the appropriate discipline and rigour in their roles. For the desk to be seen to have traders taking time off in the day or working shifts covering lates to allow others to leave early, they have to show that when at desk, they maintain the highest of standards”
“Unfortunately my symptoms haven't improved and my doctor has instructed me to take a further 4 weeks off. Please find the email from my doctor below. I will of course update you if there is any progress”
“Based on ongoing medical reasons, I have asked you to avoid working for a further four weeks as from and including 2 January”
“I am sorry to hear that you continue to be unwell. The letters you have provided from your doctor do not set out the actual reason for your absence — your doctor has only said that you have a chronic condition and that you are off for ongoing medical reasons. In line with Dare's sick leave policy, please could you provide a letter from your doctor which sets out details of the reason for your absence and when he expects that you will be fit to return? I am conscious that you have been working for Dare for almost five years and in that time you have only had 5 days off sick (and these were all over a year ago, in 2022), and now you have eight weeks' sick leave from the commencement of your notice and it is not clear what the reason for this is. I'm mindful that long-term sick leave is something that should be avoided, if possible, and therefore I am keen to see if there are any adjustments that Dare could make to enable you to start working again. Would it be possible (if you haven't already) to speak with your doctor about whether there would be any adjustments that Dare could make that would enable you to return to work (such as a phased return to work, reduced hours etc.) and provide a letter from him on this? If not, then we can arrange an Occupational Health referral for you.”
“I, of course, had reviewed your doctor's letter of5 December 2023 and I appreciate what it says — namely, that you have a chronic condition. Unfortunately, it says nothing further and you will appreciate that this isn't detailed enough for me to understand why you are off sick — and, also, whether you'd be able to do some work if Dare made adjustments to accommodate you. I am not questioning the advice of a specialist doctor — I just want to understand how this works with respect to ability to work. Would it be possible to speak to your doctor on this? I can ask HR to schedule an Occupational Health referral which may be simpler?”
“It is of course important that you respond to my email of26 January 2024 so that I can be comfortable that you understand the obligations that you owe to Dare. Hopefully you have chance to absorb this over the next few days and I look forward to hearing from you once you have - obviously I am happy to chat instead if that is easier for you. I will follow up with you on that next week if I don't hear from you.”
“Thanks for your email and sorry to hear you are still unwell. Please do continue to rest up and follow the advice of your doctor. As you are not currently well enough to respond to my email, I do think that it would be helpful for you to see Occupational Health so that they can advise whether there are any adjustments that could be made to support a return to work — I am conscious that none of the medical advice you have provided so far has dealt with this and it is important. Occupational Health will be best placed to advise on this, so please can I ask you to sign and return the consent form attached to my email of18 January 2024 ? As we have previously discussed, there are a lot of exciting things for you to work on during your notice period and I am looking forward to picking up with you in this regard when you are feeling a bit better. For the avoidance of doubt, I believe I have already made myself clear but I just want to reiterate — you are not on garden leave (you are on sick leave) and your non-compete restriction will apply for 12 months following the termination of your employment (i.e. until20 December 2025 ). Look after yourself and look forward to catching up in a few weeks.”
“Hi Stephen I just wanted to check in to see how you are doing? I hope the time off work is helping and that you will be able to think about a return to work when your sick note expires in April. Obviously, your health is our priority. Given you have been signed off work for so long (over five months), I want you to attend an Occupational Health appointment. I have asked you to do this before but I haven't heard back from you. This is an appropriate and reasonable request for me to make. As such, please can you sign and return the consent form that I have previously sent to you. Please could you send this back to me by Wednesday28 February 2024 . I know before you went off sick that we briefly talked about some possible amended duties for your notice period — you went off sick immediately after this conversation and haven't returned since. I am conscious that your doctor has said that your anxiety is precipitated from your current work situation and given the timing of your sickness absence (immediately following our conversation about potentially amending your duties), I thought it might be helpful for me to re-iterate that the conversation about your notice period was exploratory only, and I am happy for you to continue trading as normal on the Propane desk when you come back to work if that is preferable — of course, if you do not want to do this, I am open to considering letting you carry out other work which is commensurate with your role and seniority (for example, trading on another desk). Obviously, I will still need you to carry out handover-related tasks and train up juniors to take over from you. I really hope this helps to relieve any anxiety flowing from our conversation. There is a really good opportunity for impact in the Propane market at the moment. If you were well enough to come back and trade on that desk, I would be willing to agree that you could receive a bonus in the usual way, notwithstanding that you are not entitled to a bonus because you are under notice. Of course, I would need certainty from you that you understood and would abide by your restrictive covenants before agreeing to this. Happy to chat about this. Finally, I note that you left the "Tech-oil" work WhatsApp group yesterday afternoon. I know you were using your personal number for that group, so I will add your work number now as I am keen to make sure you stay in the loop generally. It would be good if you can check it every now and again. As a reminder, while you are out you should still comply with all of Dare's policies, which includes the protection of our confidential information and retaining information on work devices that is relevant to the business.”
“I hope you are feeling okay and your health is improving. I just wanted to follow up on my email below, as I haven't received a response from you. Please could you sign and return a copy of the Occupational Health consent form? As per my email below, given your long-term absence, I think it is appropriate and reasonable to obtain some advice from Occupational Health so that I can get a better understanding of your illness and prognosis. Of course, to the extent you want to discuss anything else in my email below, just let me know and I would be happy to discuss. Please could you acknowledge receipt of this email?”
“Thanks for your email I totally get you're on sick leave — but hope you appreciate that I've had scant medical information as to why and, more importantly, if there is anything we can do to facilitate a return to work, even on a phased / part time basis. Could you please therefore sign the Occupational Health consent form and return it to me this week. I consider this a reasonable instruction, especially in light of the comments you have made below. I will then arrange for an Occupational Health appointment to take place when you are back from your trip. Please could you let me know what date you will be back? In respect of work emails and WhatsApp, obviously I am not expecting you to be keeping up to date with these on a regular basis, but I do want to make sure you are keeping in the loop generally so that you are in the know when you return. As such, I would like you to check these every now and again to make sure you know what is going on generally.”
“I hope you enjoyed your trip and that you have had time to rest and recuperate. I'm conscious I never heard back from you in response to my email below, please could you: • Let me know if you are back from your trip now and if not, confirm when you will be back. • Sign and return a copy of the Occupational Health consent form I sent to you previously. • Acknowledge receipt of this email.”
“Resignation letter sent. Thanks Omar for all your help. Exciting journey ahead!”
“Let me know when gardening leave is confirmed and we will get the get our team firing away on Dubai licenses and what needs to be done”
“I just wanted to be clear what would be the annual desk trading fixed cost? He told Mr Kayaam what he was currently “paying”
“D2: “Hi, thanks for the update. I was hoping to ask a question regarding the strategy should we get to the point I hand in my notice. Essentially I was looking to know if you would expect me to need to work after that point? More for my personal logistics will need to book a trip to Dubai potentially over the half term break. Appreciate you might not have the answers yet.”
“We are keen for you to resign asap. Obviously want you to be happy (ie sign) the offer docs”
“More to say once I have resigned if they ask me to work my notice do you think I wouldn't need to under the current plan”
“We need a session to discuss strategy so that you are happy with next steps”
“Agreed. When do you think would be the right time to go through that?”
“Brokers already asking questions. Better to just not reply I guess as still too early?”
“if he gets heavy saying you must come in - then I will cover that in your resignation letter.”
“Will I actually need to call him? Is there any benefit to us at this stage? I feel I covered it all and just Incase we can use the letter to cover it off?”
“As I explained yesterday, I was expecting to transfer my employment and relocate to Dubai last year with my wife and family as planned and agreed with you. My wife and I have continued to be filled with disappointment because this relocation never transpired. [I] cannot emphasise enough how important the move to Dubai was to me and my wife. Unfortunately, I have been unable to get over the immense disappointment caused by the way in which the Dubai relocation was handled. From my perspective, I do not see how it is possible to salvage my relationship with the company given what happened last year. The relocation to Dubai represented a major event in my life, and when it did not materialise, the impact and disappointment was inordinate. Having made the decision to resign I can now focus on pursuing other career opportunities in Dubai.”
“I get that you were disappointed that the move to Dubai didn't ultimately materialise, but you must realise that Dare invested significant funds to make Dubai a possibility for you and others. We did this because you asked me to — not because I wanted a move to Dubai. And given this, we obviously sought contractual assurances from those considering the move — which you ultimately did not accept. This all happened some time ago and we've since been focused on the success at Dare which you've been invested in — indeed you signed up to be a Growth shareholder in Dare after this issue which demonstrated your long term commitment to Dare. We were also recently discussing your future and aspirations within Dare. The below email does not sound like you and does not ring true.”
“Guess going with Stephen and Tom out to dubai, probably onyx I guess”
“Keep a close eye on your market share. Compare it to what Ash was active in as a starting point. Look at which products his activity was concentrated in. If you haven't already- you need to also closely analyse his trading activity yourself over the last few years. See what trade cycles he's done via the trade feed, look at his biggest pnl days, try to figure out if it's live pnl or overnight or what products. Yes it's a bit of work to unpick this, but the value in accelerating your trading is massive. If you need help with formatting or access to information work with Jono who can assign recourse to help you. Let's also get you a daily report showing how much brokerage we spent, and comparing it to what we used to do when Ash was around. Ultimately the aim is to get back there and then beat those activity levels whilst making good pnl. I've cc'd Ugo & Chris to assist. None of this will happen overnight, but it's good to know where we want the desk to get to. Really think hard as a team why our competitors are doing the trades they do. Having established traders in the market is actually one of the best ways to learn, establish views on the market, and slowly build your own spin on it to take your trading to the next level. Imitation is easier than innovation. First step is to figure out how other are making money and copy it. After that we innovate. Good job on doing some [redacted] business, next time I want an even higher % of the total traded”
“I reckon if we put a good trader on crude we’d make a lot more than [D2], and it’s more like a 2 maybe even 3 trader + grad desk imo”
“No problem whatever is best. Thanks. Starting to already feel very angry about how long this non-compete is for seems very unfair. I can't believe I was pressured into signing it. Anyway appreciate all the effort thus far.”
“I am not sure what to make of your last email. At first glance, it reads as unnecessarily patronising. Nonetheless, I will come into the office on Tuesday to meet you. Please let me what time you would like to meet.”
“More of the same tbh”
“Thanks for your email — my email wasn't intended to be patronising — I am trying to move things along in a constructive manner and ensure that we continue to have an effective working relationship during your notice period. Let's catch up at 10:45am tomorrow morning in my office. It is up to you whether you come in before that meeting or not, but after our meeting I will be expecting you to continue with your role. That means getting back to your desk and getting on with things. Obviously, we will want you to have one eye on training people up for after you go.”
“He obviously thinks he can dominate you and order you back to work. Strange guy”
“How could I go back to earn sub standard living not doing my job.”
“It is strange that he has taken the weakest position possible in terms of a strategy. Peculiar. Good for us and you though”
“I have just returned from leave and seen your email. It is beyond belief that you would expect me to sit on the desk tomorrow and resume trading as though nothing has happened. It feels like you are dismissing my reasons for leaving with ridicule. In any case, expecting me to trade after resigning is a situation offering no possibility of a favourable outcome. Whether my desk incurs losses or generates strong PnL, it will not benefit me. As demonstrated in the last few days, the desk can run without me. Many of the brokers in the market know that I am leaving Dare (presumably someone from Dare has already told them). I am not comfortable coming into the office to discuss this with you. From my perspective, it now seems that the intention is to make an example of me in front of the other employees because I am leaving Dare (albeit extremely disgruntled).”
“That is not the intention - the intention is absolutely to get the most out of your notice period. I presumed your preference would be doing the same role. Happy to discuss that. We can't afford to lose your expertise. As you know this is extremely damaging to Dare and I expect you to honour your notice period. Please come in tomorrow and we can chat it through - always better in person. Also happy to meet outside in a coffee shop if that's easier for you?”
“I have already explained my position and reasons for resigning. These email interactions are becoming increasingly hostile and indicate that a meeting in person could become challenging, if not argumentative. I will take legal advice and will respond accordingly”
“It is like you are a naughty child.. to him.. incredible cheek to write to you in the way he does”; to which D2 responded: “I feel like I'm back at school being told off”
“these guys are not respecting you.. Enough is enough”
“What do you think is the next step”
“Hopefully he will lose his mind and send an absolutely horrible message”
“I think we chose the right path to be honest the way this guy is speaking makes me think it would have been a wasted meeting which I would have minded but just a waste of energy and time.”
“What he should do ie properly and correctly, is apologise and start again. Doubt he will, which plays into your hands. It is called poke the bear on purpose. Ego vs logic. Logic prevails!”
“If they have 5 staff on my desk of multiple levels of seniority. How is it I'm not allowed to trade? It's just my earnings that seem to be taking a hit in terms of not being able to earn a bonus etc. surely a court would see that? Curious to hear from your perspective”
“He is implying in his emails that he wants you to work. But that could mean trading or some bullshit job. He isn't being clear”
“No I meant start working for onyx now . . . Seems grossly unfair that in theory I can't earn my normally living whilst they can trade as normal just curious to hear the legal perspective”
“Should I leave the WhatsApp groups now? On my personal phone?”
“I have noticed that you left the 'Tech-oil" work WhatsApp group last night. As you know, you are still employed and you are not on any form of leave, therefore it is important that you remain on the WhatsApp group so you can stay up to date. I am adding your work mobile number to the group this morning. Please respond and confirm that you will keep your work mobile on and that you will regularly check your emails and the WhatsApp group.”
“So can we reword the first paragraph? Perhaps to say will no longer access from this point on? Or better am no longer using”
“But you saw he's going to re add me to a WhatsApp group”, to which Mr Beckwith replied: “Pointless. The guy is an idiot”
“Given the tone of your emails and the fact that you are currently absent without leave, I am very concerned about your compliance with the ongoing contractual obligations that you owe to Dare”
“That's so desperate their side. It is baseless. Pure intimidation which will only make their position so weak. Interestingly, would you know what the position is or book has done since you resigned? Obviously without asking anyone at Dare that is. From the brokers say?”
“One of my brokers told me they are trading actively”
“No the position. I think it was down around [redacted amount] since I left. But that was last week And they have traded very actively so no idea how we could attribute that to me or their trades.”
“This is desperate their side. And you can equally claim for the loss of income.. it is just a stupid argument their end.”
“D2: I think he's super deceitful and this email has made me very very upset. I had some very good positions on which I know would have done well as well. So no idea how they claim to have lost that much. In any case the book was up close to [redacted amount] for the new year when I left. Mr Beckwith: It is hard mate, you see some people for what they really are. Horrible. I see this time and time again. Good people just shake hands and wish you the best. Dont take it personally. It is all just noise. D2: I don't like the fact this guy is threatening me. It's disgraceful after how much I personally have made this guy over the years. I'm very shocked and dissapointed. Honestly I hope we can put him in his place at this stage and be done with this back and forth. In any case please let me know how you wish to proceed. Mr Beckwith: The odd thing about it is that if he met you he wouldn't say anything of this. Well, he has taken the bait and what we needed ie to draw a line underneath it. He is being unreasonable and harassing you. Leave it with me. It is upsetting and will naturally make anyone feel super pissed off. But look beyond the strife and his anger. We will take care of it. D2: Thanks. I assume I won't be going to meet this crazy guy tomorrow. Mr Beckwith: Not if you're being threatened with losses. D2: Thanks I will await to hear from you with regard to next steps. Hope this all counts to speed the ending of this crazy saga. Mr Beckwith: Indeed. It is all a matter of him trying to intimidate.. Nasty man but weak. Money doesn't buy you brains. Plenty of rich idiots on this planet. Will deal with Patrick”
“I am unable to attend the meeting at 12:30 today that you would like me to attend. The accusations you are making and the way you are addressing my resignation is causing me to feel extremely anxious and uncomfortable. Your emails carry the strong indication that a meeting with you would become confrontational and argumentative. I have forwarded your emails to my legal advisor”
“I’ve left my company and they are trying to make me feel very uncomfortable. It's stressing me out and I don't really want to be there at the moment. Need a couple weeks off. It's just grief. I can deal with it but it's horrible day to day for me and the family”
“Expect them to have their lawyers write a response. This will get into spat between the lawyers. All normal and to be expected. But ultimately then reaches a point very where the relationship is agreed by both as untenable. But the lawyers know that from the start - it is all posturing.. It looks like nothing is happening but in reality big strides are made and then boom - it is all over.”
“Got it. Will we at any point look to raise damages against them? Or more like in the back pocket In case they do something first? Sounds like I will potentially be out for less time than Stephen in that case? Or too early to say”
“As regards matters since your client's resignation, your position is hard to understand. A reasonable person reviewing the correspondence between the parties would inevitably conclude that (i) our client has been patient and courteous to your client at all times, (ii) far from being "incessant", the correspondence from our client has been notably measured and restrained, (iii) your client has no possible basis for asserting that he is "anxious and fearful" of attending the office, in circumstances where Mr Rahman has been consistent and clear that he values Mr Hikmet and wants him to return to work. Indeed, on26 February 2024 our client mooted the notion of an ad hoc bonus arrangement to that end — something which is not mentioned in your letter, but which plainly shows how valued your client is”
“Honestly mate, pathetic.”
“A bit more settled now that the chatter between me and Ayman has taken a breather. Taken up some golf lessons as well!”
“Not sure how much forward planning if any you want me to be involved in but could be quite constructive to have a few meetings in advance of landing if that's possible. Good for pricing sheet set up etc. otherwise looking forward to a general catch up . . . ”
“Need you to meet henry and nathan plus others . . . Got a lot going on progress wise with Dubai”
“Thanks for arranging today. Was really productive to get that initial band-aid ripped off re comparing differences. There is a decent amount of work to be done but will roll the sleeves up and work hard over the next few months to get this ironed out within the framework of what we can do etc. speak soon”
“Glad you could make it today. Now that you have met Henry and Nathan today, we can have you chatting with them to get everything ready for you. If you can get out to see the Dubai office, that would be great”
“Hey mate, heard you left as well?! Hope all good with you!”
“Hey man sorry not had a chance to message you. Can't really say much cause of all the legal. Just to say I have resigned and my family are moving to Dubai probably this year maybe beginning of next”
“I mean this, this, is their chance, Ayman's just handed them the fucking win, hasn't he?”, to which D2 replied “Yeah, he's shot himself in the foot”
“It’s better, they can’t accuse you of anything”, to which D2 said “Yeah exactly. It’s literally the truth. But in my last email Ayman said, he was like, the timing is suspicious that you guys have all left, basically trying to insinuate we left together.”
“It’s so hard to get them away, because I spoke to Cam, and he’s like what’s the point? I’m finally earning good money, if I leave here then I’m sure Ayman is going to sit back down on fuel.”
“You know, Omar's, like, said, asked me if any of these juniors are good, [pay well] so [inaudible] have a strong view [inaudible] said to be honest [inaudible] a lot of them are like freeloaders [inaudible] one or two years [inaudible]”
“Q. "... Omar's ... asked me if any of these juniors are good ..." That is correct, is it? A. Yes, he would have asked that, yes. Q. And you then gave him your view on the juniors at Dare, correct? A. I believe I said some −− I basically gave some negative feedback, yes.”
“what did it for me actually, what really pushed me over the edge was when Stephen resigned, and he was like, he took us to a side and basically said "I'm going to fuck ..trying to [inaudible] him [inaudible] for 2 years". Like that was the final straw for me, this guy is literally just...”
“[inaudible] to be honest I was actually like [inaudible]”
“[inaudible] help you out a little bit because basically he [inaudible] MOC stuff. So like I think [inaudible] MOC stuff because they don’t like [inaudible] MOC [inaudible] I don’t know if that [inaudible] usually do [inaudible]”
“Yeah it's good to know, I appreciate that. The last thing you want is to go somewhere start doing it and have a problem. It's almost not worth it [inaudible]”
“No, Cam, because he goes, just before that, he goes "so Cam and Amrit have made [redacted] , so one could assume that me and Jono would make at least that”
“Yeah that was... uncalled for”
“Yeah but I'm not sure that is actually how it'll play out, it'll be less, quite a bit less, put it that way. The good thing is, he sounds, like, pretty flexible as in like. . . the whole thing is I would say is he's the kind of guy who basically really cares like to make you happy, when you want somebody, you're like, but again, don't mention this to anyone”
“[O]ur client has been signed off work until1 July 2024 due to the stress and anxiety cause by events during his employment with Dare and concerns about his position following his resignation, exacerbated by the threats of legal action by your client. His previous sick leave at Dare therefore has no relevance to his current absence. With respect to your request for our client attend an Occupation Health referral, our client is willing to attend an appointment. To be clear, you first requested that our client attend Occupational Health in your letter of1 March 2024 and repeated this request on15 March 2024 , at which stage our client had only been signed off for 2 and 4 weeks respectively. Such requests were plainly premature. We noted, in our letter dated2 April 2024 , that your request (at that stage) appeared to be another intimidation tactic as we would be very surprised if your client customarily referred individuals to Occupational Health after such a short period of time. We received no response from you on this until your letter (sent six weeks later on14 May 2024 ). As our client now has been signed off work for further period of time the position is clearly different, and our client is willing to attend an Occupational Health appointment”
“It's been good but also can't help feeling guilt of not working lol it's very wierd. I also have so much fomo away from the market. Crazy how long these non competes are these days.”
“Mate really happy for you! You made the right choice!”
“Look forward to it if you're coming!”
“Nah it grows on trees don’t you know”, to which D2 said “Literally this is like gap year on steroids cause we all have money. I think I’m gonna be bankrupt by the time I actually start work”
“Have a few traders who are looking to meet up with me discreetly flying in next week. Is it ok if it's very discreet?”
“I wouldn't have an issue, just need to be happy they are good guys who wont gossip if you follow me”
“It is thus established that an employer can stipulate for protection against having his confidential information passed on to a rival in trade. But experience has shown that it is not satisfactory to have simply a covenant against disclosing confidential information. The reason is because it is so difficult to draw the line between information which is confidential and information which is not: and it is very difficult to prove a breach when the information is of such a character that a servant can carry it away in his head. The difficulties are such that the only practicable solution is to take a covenant from the servant by which he is not to go to work for a rival in trade”. (v) Non-poaching of employee covenants have been held to be objectionable as a matter of principle on the basis that such a restraint interferes with the job mobility of third parties to the contract: see Monster Vision (UK) Ltd v McKie[2011] EWHC 3772 (QB) at [11], [39] and [62]; see also White Digital Media Ltd v Weaver[2013] EWHC 1681 (QB) at [31]-[35] and [42]. (vi) The duration of any post-termination restraint will, to some extent, be arbitrary: see, e.g. Beckett Investment Management Group Ltd v Hall[2007] ICR 1539 at [29]. The Court will only deem a post-termination restraint to be excessively long if a “much less far-reaching” restraint would have afforded adequate protection. The exercise is not a marginal one, “otherwise Courts would be faced with a paralysing debate in every case about whether a covenant with x days shaved off would still provide adequate protection”: see QBE Management Services Ltd at [215]; and Stenhouse (Australia) Ltd v Phillips[1974] AC 391 at 402. (vii) Where part of a covenant is unreasonable, the Court may sever the unreasonable part and enforce the remainder, provided that no words need to be added or modified, and that the removal of the unreasonable part does not generate any major change in the overall effect of the post-termination restraints: see Egon Zehnder at [84]-[86]. (viii) Even if the covenant is held to be reasonable, the Court will then finally decide whether, as a matter of discretion, the injunctive relief sought should in all the circumstances be granted. It does not follow that simply because a covenant is held to be enforceable, the inevitable remedy is a final injunction. Injunctions are discretionary remedies: see D v P[2016] ICR 688 at [70]-[75]. (ix) when a post-termination restraint is enforceable, the starting point is that the ordinary remedy is an injunction: Dyson Technology Ltd v Pellerey[2016] ICR 355 at [21]. In Insurance Co v Lloyd’s Syndicate[1995] 1 Lloyd’s Rep 272 , at 276-7, Colman J referred to “exceptional cases where the granting of an injunction would be so prejudicial to a defendant and cause him such hardship that it would be unconscionable for the plaintiff to be given injunctive relief if he could not prove damage”
“(1) First, the appropriate measure for the length of a springboard injunction is the length of time that it would have taken the wrongdoer to achieve lawfully what he in fact achieved unlawfully, relative to the victim. (2) Second, it must be emphasised that the exercise is a relative one and any advantage must be measured as such. Wrongful activities may have both a positive and negative effect, i.e. benefiting the wrongdoer whilst simultaneously harming the victim. Thus, for instance, the unlawful poaching of key staff is likely to advantage the wrongdoing party whilst disadvantaging the victim who has lost key staff and may have to recover lost market ground. (3) Third, it is relevant to look at the period of time over which the unlawful activities have in fact taken place. The relationship of this period with the length of any springboard relief is, however, kinetic not linear. (4) Fourth, there may be many different factors at play during the period of unlawful activity materially affecting the advantage gained which may, or may not, obtain in similar assumed circumstances of purely lawful activity. These factors might include, for instance, (i) the advantage of soliciting junior employees whilst still being employed and in positions of power, compared with the trying to recruit as an ex-employee, (ii) the advantage of stealth and secrecy, so that management are unaware and do not take defensive measures, and (iii) conversely, the advantage sometimes of being able to work speedily and not having to be covert. (5) Fifth, the nature and length of the ‘springboard’ relief should be fair and just in all the circumstances.”
“just thought I would mention what I have sent to Ayman. I really like the sound of the [y] markets. I see great potential there”
“It's been good but also can't help feeling guilt of not working lol it's very wierd. I also have so much fomo away from the market. Crazy how long these non competes are these days.”
“If Employee applies for or is otherwise offered employment or an engagement, appointment, or consultancy at any time during his employment, Employee will immediately inform the Company of such offer of employment or engagement and Employee will provide a copy of this paragraph 13 to the person or entity that he has applied to or has made such offer.”