"...has any legal or equitable interest in any of the assets held by Mr Gibbs". (7) By order of Mr Richard Salter KC, sitting as a judge of the High Court, Mr Gibbs was to provide further information about his assets, as to interested parties and the nature of their interest. Mr Gibbs lists HSBC as mortgagee but states the mortgage is secured against number 34 but that the Property ie number 36 is to be sold to discharge the mortgage on number 34 if it is not otherwise discharged. He then refers to his wife having a 50 per cent so-called "notional interest"-,- with him having with his three children a 25 per cent notional interest and the claimant likewise, but the latter, somehow without further information, was discharged. -The answer states: "
"...a right to a proportion on a debt basis [but no] proprietary interest in the asset itself". (8)(a) In 2018, Mr Gibbs was seeking to mortgage number 34. He approached HSBC and dealt with a mortgage manager, Ms Nimesh Shukla. On28 February 2018 , she emailed Mr Gibbs as to the underwriting of his application and said: "
"The property is in my sole name, not in joint names."
"In particular we are instructed to seek a charging order against the property owned by the first defendant at 36 Kings Road, Richmond, Surrey. If your client is aware of any reason as to why the second claimant should not be granted such an order or any compelling basis for opposing such an order, we ask he articulate that reason by response before close of business on29 June 2022 ."
"36 Kings Road is registered in the name of my husband, but we entered into a trust deed on the date he purchased the property granting a 50 per cent beneficial interest to me and a 25 per cent joint beneficial interest to our three children."
"On25 August 2023 , prior to the defendants' deadline for disclosure, QE sent them a letter setting out what was expected and required from them both in terms of the mechanics of disclosure and examples of the sorts of documents they should be searching for and producing. These included documentation and correspondence in relation to the preparation and/or purpose of the purported trust deed and documents relating to tenancy of the property including all bank statements dating back to 2012 containing information showing how rental income is and has been applied and expenditure on and or relating to the property and any transactions/transfers of money between Mr and Mrs Gibbs."
"I regret to inform you that this will unfortunately not now be possible as I realised yesterday evening when I came to prepare the document that I no longer have original in my possession. Two weeks ago I took all original trust deeds in my possession to a local solicitor to have certified copies made. I also took copies of the documents with me, but the solicitor concerned preferred to make his own copies which he then certified. When I returned home I destroyed the unnecessary copies and I realise now I must have destroyed the originals by mistake. I have been so careful with the original documents as they could easily be mistaken for copies, so I am devastated that I have made such an error and as a result have lost all of the original trust deeds."
"Express findings are always surrounded by penumbra of imprecision which may still play an important part in the judge's overall evaluation."
"Whilst judges give their reasons for their decisions, they cannot and do not explain every little detail or respond to every point made."
"The problems of memory over the years mean that the documentary evidence to the court becomes even more important.” His Honour Judge Paul Matthews says Gestmin's main application was in commercial cases as it itself was a commercial one and therefore with a substantial number of contemporaneous documents. "
"was a commercial case with significant domestic or family overtones, but there were sufficient written records to make the Gestmin approach relevant."
"Subject to the provisions of any enactment, the court may, upon a claim by a person who has obtained a charging order over an interest in property, order the sale of the property to enforce the charging order."
"A commercial creditor's interests will usually be given priority over a family in occupation of the property"
"In the public interest to enforce charging orders generally because of the economic importance of ensuring that there is an efficient machinery for enforcement of debt obligations"
"Is the purported written declaration of trust dated12 July 2012 an authentic document"
"created at a later date and backdated in this way, it is a forgery and not a valid and binding deed"
"I make this witness statement in response to the fourth witness statement of Khaled Khatoun dated27 April 2023 and in response to the claimant's application for an order for sale of 36 Kings Road, Richmond (the Property). In making this statement, I have not been able to access the documents relied on by Mr Khatoun as these have been sent to a Gmail account which Mr Khatoun knows has been closed because of his actions in writing to UK banks to freeze my bank accounts and cards."
"The real estate investments in London, Northern Ireland and Montenegro are all proving impossible to sell."
"Mr Khatoun now complains I do not make payments. I could not do so even if I wanted to because of this malicious and spiteful behaviour of Mr Khatoun which prevents me from even making use of my bank accounts."
"I have opened a bank account. I won't tell you where as QE will shut it down."
"Wholly and legally and beneficially owned by Mr Gibbs"
"But beneficially, no, that's not true"
"Are you suggesting that this letter was written without having taken any instructions from you as to the legal and beneficial ownership of Kings Road?" his response was "
"The children all attend local schools and it would be deeply upsetting and cause immeasurable upset, distress and inconvenience to the children and the family if they were to be forced to leave the house"
"How many equivalent properties to number 36 Kings Road are available for renting on Richmond Hill and the rents being asked?"
"...having been found to have been lying extensively to the court in his first affidavit, which matter is now under investigation by the SRA (report dated31 October 2023 )."
"The monthly allowance I used to receive directly from my husband is compromised because Mr Khatoun has taken steps to freeze his bank accounts and made it impossible to open new ones"
"...found it increasingly difficult to fund the maintenance payments on which I totally rely, partly due to his assets and bank accounts being frozen."
"It is in my sole name, not in joint names"
"No explanation as to where monies have gone that have apparently been received in recent months"
"There are three very valuable assets owned by me which are for sale: a yacht, a company and an apartment with an aggregate asking price of€50 million ., full details of which have been disclosed to QE, so why force the sale of the Property with all the costs, damage and distress it will cause?"