“Qu: Allegations of FII and Perplexing presentations was an issue, this was clear in the Letter of Instruction? A: I can’t comment on that”
“At 12 month assessment a concern was raised about his Gross motor skills? Yes Identified as need / risk factor? Yes Your report said no concerns at 12 month review? I didn’t give it much highlight as otherwise doing what would be expected He scored 10/60 on the Mother’s scoring Low score? Yes, but we are looking at broad types of development It’s a screening tool not a diagnostic tool. Then assessed at 18 months which is earlier than normal time? At the request of Father. You state in report you are concerned as contents of report solely based on ASQ done by Father? The Health Visitor was Ms G she confirms the answers to the question, doesn’t she? ASQ completed as result of answers to questions father gave as well as what she could see during the appointment? But we have to question which parts the Health Visitor objectively identified and which part the Father answered. The Health Visitor herself has said she completed observations of the child? Yes, we cannot deny that.”
“I get worried when a parent is trying to take the role of the doctor and direct enquiries, that causes me concern”
“Qu: There were significantly high level of alleged symptoms being reported by the Mother which are not observed by the professionals? A: Depends on what you are trying to prove Nothing bad here that specifically draws my attention Child exposed to great many professionals during this time for examination? Yes Qu: 7 different doctors in 2.5 months do you not consider excessive? A: This where we have to be very careful, the reason why a parent seeks medical attention is not primarily what they are doing but reason why. We see children who are brought to us who are extremely well, but the parents are very anxious If you focus on a parent being at fault, you will read things in the wrong manner Qu: Not about fault, it’s about whether parent reporting in symptoms that other professionals not seeing and leads to child being examined unnecessarily A: Parent knows child much better than any other health professional just because prof doesn’t see that it’s wrong to think parent is making it up On the 4.6.24 mum called 999 during supervised contact found to be well by ambulance staff, no action Not an example of M fabricating or exaggerating symptoms you said in your report Qu: Immediately apparent to the medics he was fine? A: But to the mother and if that’s what she sees that’s what she sees”
“Yes, I think the Father should be able to explain every single bruise he may have Learning to walk learning to crawl, accidents happen, but not on buttocks and not systematically, some of them are systematic Qu: you didn’t let him explore or climb, is that the reason he didn’t have any bruises or marks when in your care? A: I didn’t have bruises as a child.”
“Why not try an oral laxative? A: It’s up to the person to choose this was more appropriate as faster effect, oral effect would take days What about upset, distress and pain? Believe me would also cause pain if given via the mouth One fourth of the suppository did not cause distress”
“He couldn’t tolerate a mililitre, a half mililitre of well baby Stained his teeth, just not appropriate for us to continue with dark in colour, lots of issues with that”
“You chose not to go to online pharmacy but to go to eBay? A: eBay is a pharmacy they have a lot of supplements Qu: You thought you were getting an English labelled substance? A: It’s in Bulgarian quite close provided on eBay with full information of how to use it I know these drugs were perfectly fine to give to new borns, I wasn’t risking anything”
“You were using this as general wash to remove germs? No A: The antiseptic was efficient not used as wash used as application before creaming the face otherwise to put on patchy broken skin A: It was not appropriate to put the cream on wet skin Qu: The itchiness, redness, soreness is due to you using a strong antiseptic on face of a young baby? A: No not used as wash, just a bit on a cotton bud to remove the mess on face before putting steroid cream on it Needed to dry the area before creaming Over the counter, not strong in strength, allowed per NICE guideline and was baby grade”
“I was under the impression that it was done in order to appease Mother. I believed she wouldn’t do it normally, but she said it would do no harm”
“Occasionally I was seeing blood in the stool …. Several times a week I seeing the blood in stool”
“you have anotherbruise on your elbow (big sigh)”
“yes, looks like I did, I did not think he would understand at that time back in July 2024”
“Ambulances should only be called where there is an emergency situation? A: The situation was an emergency for me, I was in despair, was an emergency for me in broader context”
“Sometimes I misuse words due to being a foreigner”
“Qu: Is it your case that you think the F has a sexual interest in A? Do you think he has a sexual interest in your son. Yes or No? A: I can’t answer yes or no. Think he is sexually aroused by your son? I hope not. A: On those particular occasions I am thinking about I think there is interest. Qu: What interest? Unhealthy interest. Qu: What do you think he would do? A: Not healthy. Do you think he would perform some kind of sexual act on him? If I wouldn’t reveal the photos of the naked child on the 15th of June I wouldn’t raise an issue of the sexual assault, particularly the staged photos posed on sofa of a naked child”
“Qu: You’ve said she won’t engage with docs and midwives? That’s not true, is it? I was speaking broadly but she has on numerous occasions I would make the appointment she would refuse to go, and I would have to cancel It’s an exaggeration then, I wouldn’t have lied about it Were your family who were helping you suggesting you should make it look as bad as possible, so A protected? No So, your decision to exaggerate that concern then? I believe that she has avoided doctors and midwives. At that time? Throughout his whole life”
“T was not allowed hugs, issues, cuddles as will make him gay according to the Mother She would say that I wasn’t allowed to kiss him or any prolonged exposure to him 90% of the time I wasn’t allowed to touch him”
“I was made to get changed outside of the house If I went down the cellar would have to change, would happen in corridor of cellar, If I went to my mother’s house would have to change all my clothes Slippers for next door, slippers for the cellar, would get the slippers mixed up I was an ice cream man, not as if I worked in the mine, or a hospital I was not allowed to take outside clothes or cellar clothes or mother’s house clothes upstairs This was outside washing machine, not allowed to use the normal washing machine in the house as my clothes too dirty.”
“I think she’s a great mum, but she goes too far, was a lovely person and she could have been a great mum but her fear of germs, she hates germs more than she loves T, I think it’s within her to be a great mother, she goes too far with cleanliness, giving him supplements, trying to feed him for two hours, goes too far that way.”
“You raised concern he was being given eye drops / nose drops meant for the Maternal Grandmother? I don’t know if they prescribed for her, but she brought them with her from Russia There were plastic vials she would undo the top I saw the vials; she took them from the fridge from the box and put them in his eye I didn’t have the courage to do anything about this.”
“She didn’t want people in house with contaminated clothes, would have to scrub floor, wash covers on sofa, it was a lot of work for her”
“Qu: were you worried? Yes, he (T) was isolated, not laughing, he would bang himself with his hand, not eating properly, mush from Scandinavia, the cardboard box would taste better I didn’t want to upset her or be punished by her Why did you not put him first and tell the Health Visitor? I was too frightened of the Mother, I hated being away from him, and not being allowed to see him.”
“I would…announce loud and clear that the standard of proof in finding the facts necessary to establish the threshold under section 31(2) or the welfare considerations in section 1 of the 1989 Act is the simple balance of probabilities, neither more nor less.”
“[an] elementary proposition that findings of fact must be based on evidence (including inferences that can properly be drawn from the evidence) and not on suspicion or speculation.”
“Judges... are guided by many things, including the inherent probabilities, any contemporaneous documentation or records, any circumstantial evidence tending to support one account rather than the other and their overall impression of the characters and motivation of the witnesses.”
“The range of facts which may properly be taken into account is infinite. Facts include the history of members of the family, the state of relationships within a family, proposed changes within the membership of a family, parental attitudes, and omissions which might not reasonably have been expected, just as much as actual physical assaults. They include threats, and abnormal behaviour by a child, and unsatisfactory parental responses to complaints or allegations. And facts, which are minor or even trivial if considered in isolation, when taken together may suffice to satisfy the court of the likelihood of future harm. The court will attach to all the relevant facts the appropriate weight when coming to an overall conclusion on the crucial issue.”
‘In the light of these considerations, the best approach for a judge to adopt in the trial of a commercial case is, in my view, to place little if any reliance at all on witnesses’ recollections of what was said in meetings and conversations, and to base factual findings on inferences drawn from the documentary evidence and known or probable facts. This does not mean that oral testimony serves no useful purpose – though its utility is often disproportionate to its length. But its value lies largely, as I see it, in the opportunity which cross-examination affords to subject the documentary record to critical scrutiny and to gauge the personality, motivations and working practices of a witness, rather than in testimony of what the witness recalls of particular conversations and events. Above all, it is important to avoid the fallacy of supposing that, because a witness has confidence in his or her recollection and is honest, evidence based on that recollection provides any reliable guide to the truth.’