“There will be cases where the manner in which evidence is given about such personal matters will properly assume prominence. As Munby LJ said in Re A (A Child) (No. 2)[2011] EWCA Civ. 12 at paragraph 104 in a passage described by the judge as of considerable assistance in the present case: ‘Any judge who has had to conduct a fact-finding hearing such as this is likely to have had experience of a witness, as here a woman deposing to serious domestic violence and grave sexual abuse, whose evidence, although shot through with unreliability as to details, with gross exaggeration and even with lies, is nonetheless compelling and convincing as to the central core…Yet through all the lies, as experience teaches, one may nonetheless be left with a powerful conviction that on the essentials the witness is telling the truth, perhaps because of the way in which she gives her evidence, perhaps because of a number of small points which, although trivial in themselves, nonetheless suddenly illuminate the underlying realities’”.”
“Are you threatening me?”
“I’m not threatening you; I’m telling you”
“But the umbrella is referred to twice in the transcript and you don’t say words to the effect, ‘What umbrella?’”
“I didn’t want to argue”
“In your first statement, there was no mention that this occurred in front of the children or of bruising?”
“In the third statement you now say all the children were there on all the occasions?”
“I think the third statement is not worded correctly. There would be occasions when C1 was present or when C2 was present”
“the Father asked me if he could get his tools. He was pushing his way in”
“He didn’t ask to come in?”
“His actions showed different”
“He didn’t ask to come in?”
“He didn’t ask me to get them for him”
“You’ve just said that he did?”
“You know if goes through the Court, you’re not going to see them for quite a while?”
“You do know what happens on both sides? If I don’t get to see them then no one gets to see them”
“You fucking acted horribly [] and you’re not getting her tonight”
“Why did you have to pull C3 out of the stroller like that?”
“Because you were taking her away from me. You were deviating from the plan”
“[], I did not pull her badly. You stopped the stroller and I picked her up nicely”
“Why pull her like that? That was the question”
“Yes, I’m telling you, I didn’t pick her out like that”
“My foot was in the front of the front wheel as it stopped and I lifted her out of normally”
“You did it harder and you ripped her out”
“I didn’t rip her out. You’re just trying to justify things to not let her stay out”
“I’ve already given you an answer. That’s it. Why you want to piss me off and make more issues?”
“I’m not pissing you off”
“You are pissing me off”
“So is C3 staying?”. the Mother: “If you’re recording me again, then I’m going to take action”
“I’m not recording you actually. I’m recording me. I’m allowed to record myself”
“Let me see” [scuffling sounds] “Let me see”
“There was one occasion when I chastised him, not with a fist by with my hand. It was a closed hand.”
“You turned up on 27 August. You had the children in your care?”
“You asked for something?”
“I asked for a brake calliper kit”
“You attempted to come into the property? The Mother said she’d get them for you?”
“Put C3 down and the Mother closed the door on me. I put my foot in the door”
“The brakes were making a noise and it was to prevent the door closing in my face”
“So that you could do what?”, by which I meant, “Why put your foot in the door?”
“You took C3 with you and drove off?”
“She ran towards me with her arms up. I took her with me and drove”
“Even though you were returning the children?”
“Yes, but not immediately. I didn’t deem it fit for the Mother to be behaving like this so removed her and me from the situation”
“Why didn’t you just leave on your own?”
“C3 ran to me and was in my arms. The mother proceeded to phone children’s social care”
“Why not leave then on your own?”
“My brakes were making a bad noise and she was told we both have parental responsibility, so she called the police and they said the same thing. C3 was in my arms whilst this was going on”
“So why not leave C3 there and drive off on your own?”
“On Tuesday, 29 August, []”, that is the Mother, “told []”, that is the Father, “via two emails and a WhatsApp that she does not want any contact from [him] including child arrangements”
“He would sometimes make a comment on what you wore but not a negative comment?”
“I perceived it to be negative”
“It was not intended to be?”