“The difficulty some witnesses will have in giving evidence (for a range of reasons) must be taken into account. The overriding objective sets out that it is the aim of the Court to ensure a witness can give their best evidence, but the process often cannot be an entirely level playing field. Judges give due allowance for the fact that the court room is often an unfamiliar and frightening place for those who appear as parties or to give evidence, and that some witnesses will find the process more stressful and difficult than others particularly if they have a mental health issue such as depression. Allowances must also made for education and use of language. On the other hand some witnesses may be calm and assured, but calculated and accomplished liars.”
“a lovely young lady who has settled into [redacted] school smoothly. She is a popular and well respected member of her form group. I have not had any reason to have contact with parents.”
'Around the age of 10 (roughly 2019)' [A] told her mum about [the Stepfather] sexually abusing her. [A] said mum had spoken to her and reassured her that if he had done it again then 'something big would happen'
“has been described as wanting attention all the time and being the centre of everything. School have noticed that [A] does tend to exaggerate when telling a story.” [MB 553]. In my judgment it does not follow that a child who likes being the centre of attention and who can at times exaggerate will also make up allegations of sexual abuse. It is notable that the December Assessment also records A’s : “school attendance as good, she is doing well academically and no concerns raised regarding her education.”
“[A] was asked how she disclosed the fact that she lied. She said she told her auntie because she felt guilty, and her auntie advised her to speak to her SW.”
“[A] did not realise the consequences would be so dire and she regrets her actions.” [MB 375] PC M said that she understood that A was referring to the parents (Mother and Stepfather) being arrested. She said that A spoke about the Mother being taken away and believed that A spoke about being separated from her mother. PC M told the Court that she remembered A “saying a lot that she was sorry, sorry for what she did.”
“[A’s] mother was contacted by the Multi-Agency Safeguarding Hub (MASH) on the14th November 2022 . Social work records indicated that [the Mother] sounded 'exasperated' during the telephone conversation, she questioned if the allegations were true and stated that it had been tense at home since the previous allegations. She explained that [the Stepfather] does not talk to [A] for fear of further allegations being made against him and that if [A] is downstairs, he will go upstairs. [The Mother] said that she did not know what to do in response to [A's] allegations and asked what support could be provided to help with [A]. [The Mother] shared that [A] has a lock on her door to ensure she feels safe and that she would prioritise her daughter above all else and just wants the truth.”
“another social worker [TC] is attending school and is going to try and find out if A has been pressured by the family” [MB 286], she agreed that she had been tasked to see if A had been pressurised to say that the allegations were untrue. She said that the explanation that A gave around her retraction made sense. Her view was that it was a coherent rationale. TC could not recall A’s demeanour during the30 November 2022 visit. She could not recall anything about the impact of A being separated from the Mother. She could not recall anything about the impact of A’s siblings being separated from their mother. She could not recall her line of questioning. TC did not create the Case Note relating to the visit to see A at school on 30 November, despite being the duty social worker who made that visit. The Case Note was created by someone else. TC said that she presumed that the person who created that document “would have lifted it direct from the system.”
“[A] told [the Maternal Aunt] that she lied about the allegations. [A] said she doesn't like her step dad and wanted him out of the house. [A] said he has never touched her.” [MB 1499]. These conversations took place after A reported on28 November 2022 that she had spoken to the Mother (see paragraph 62 above). When she was taken to the social worker’s case note of that conversation, the Maternal Aunt told the Court that “the bit about the Stepfather never touched her was added in. [A] said that she lied and did not want the Stepfather around.”
“The IRO informed the social worker that prior to joining the conversation, [A] informed her that the sexual abuse did happen. At which point [A] quickly interrupted and said she did not say that.”
“I was angry at [the Stepfather] because I trusted him and brought him into the family home.”
“Oh my god, it’s happening again.”
“In our culture, talking about sexual stuff is heavy on me. My mother would not speak directly about sexual stuff. When [A] came home, I couldn’t discuss in depth because I did not feel comfortable about speaking about sexual stuff.”
“I wanted [A] home from school. I wanted to discuss it with [A]. I knew more allegations had been made.”
“… when she came back from school I'm like, "[A], you're going to get your sisters involved in social services and no one will ever believe you cos you keep on saying things and changing your mind. The police told you last time you can't say stuff to destroy somebody's life. So what you're saying is so big. It's going to destroy somebody's life. You can't keep on saying stuff and then retracting them. It's not true; it's not a joke; it's something serious", and I was talking (inaudible). I was so angry. I told her, "You know what, call your dad. I need to stay away from you", cos I needed space [Distressed]. Q Sorry, what did you-- you said, "call your dad" and what? A "I need space from you". [MB 650, lines 6-14]. In her oral evidence, the Mother said that she wanted to give A space as well. I did not believe the Mother when she said that. It is clear that she was angry with A and wanted her out of the house. The Mother was not thinking about A’s feelings when she sent her to stay with her grandparents the next day after school. She did not speak to A when she was at the maternal grandparents home, even before the Mother was arrested. That silent treatment (which I refer to below) would have been upsetting for A. The Mother’s account given to the police close in time to the incident records (in the Mother’s own words) that the Mother was so angry when she spoke to A on14 November 2022 that she told A that what she was saying was not true, that she (the Mother) needed to stay away from A and that she (the Mother) needed space from A. The mother told A that her allegations are “going to destroy somebody’s life.”
“If someone upsets me, I tend to shut down and not want to talk about it there and then and may not end up speaking about it.”
“I was mad at [A]. I told her for that I was going to cut off [her] hair as punishment for lying.”
“I have never seen it. I never thought about it. I never suspected it, so no.”
“she lied. She wasn’t remorseful. She was just staring and looking at me.”
“Feeling safe means several things – dressing up, brothers in the house, [A] being in her bedroom and feeling safe – she can dress up and feel safe… Sometimes her brother comes into the room when she is dressing up and arguing so I put a lock on there.”
“I have not really seen it, I can’t relate to it.”
“I can confirm that I do not require an interpreter in these proceedings or to have any of the documents translated. I have understood the court hearings and I am able to read the court papers. I have been brought up to speak English alongside my language, I was taught in English at school right up to when I left secondary education.” [MB 423] At the start of his evidence the Stepfather confirmed that that statement was true. In his evidence he said that his education in English ended in about 2003 when he was around 20 years old. He has also lived and worked in England since 2017. When he was cross examined about the above statement, the Stepfather said that his English was not good enough to read the papers in these proceedings. He said that whoever he was speaking to when he made his statement did not understand what he was saying. I did not believe that. It was a statement directed at his understanding. He was represented by competent solicitors when he signed that statement. He confirmed its contents at the start of his evidence. Later he sought to distance himself from it when he wanted to put discrepancies down to lack of understanding/language issues. He told the Court that most of the time he would send documents to his wife who would explain them to him in his own language. He then changed that to say that his wife “always explained and interpreted things to me.”
“When [the Stepfather] was asked about [A] kissing [B], he said he knew that [A] had tried to kiss [B], but not how he knew. [The Stepfather] said that he had not heard about the accusation of [A] putting her hand into [B’s] underwear…… [The Mother] said in this assessment that she was told this information by [the Stepfather].”
“I remember my wife attending my workplace and telling me about the allegation that [A] had made to her. I was shaken by the details when her mother explained to me what [A] had said. I was shocked that she would make up such a story.” [MB 166]. The Stepfather told the Court that the Mother told him that A had said he was teaching her how to kiss and showing her pornography. The Stepfather confirmed that the Mother was “extremely angry.”
“the groups I belonged to did not have that type of material and I have a password for my phone.”
“I said, have you asked her what I look like.”