“[Mr R] certainly was very talkative and my recollection is that he left no stone unturned”
“Yes, he did that I had forgotten about that sorry”
“Well, that’s what happened on this occasion. That’s what happened. That’s what I do with everybody”
“I thought that I said to Mr Lewis that ‘I came’”
“In January 2005 a Law Society Adjudicator upheld a complaint made by Mr Robotham that his trial solicitors… failed to take his appeal forward.”
“These forms of recording do not lead to retrospective identification of a specific call.”
“I asked him [Alan Hughes] about Des Hughes and he agreed he had witnessed him filling in a Criminal Injury Compensation Claim (in about January l997) and having Des Hughes talk of being assaulted. He denied this had "made him very interested in compensation" (P41) and was followed up, within a short time with his complaint to the police (27/1/97). Mr Hughes said he wasn't interested at all in Des Hughes' claim. So the inference was made for the jury to consider. I could really go no further. We had no evidence or instructions to push the matter further. I was not aware at the time of the trial that an application for C.I. Compensation had "already" been made…. My Solicitor was not aware either. Had I been aware of the fact that an application had already been made, and then of course this would have been put to Mr Hughes in cross-examination. Also, we (my Solicitor) would have obtained disclosure of the relevant document from the police. We had made a 3rd party application for disclosure from the Department of Social Services; we were aware that NSPCC had been mentioned. The senior resident Judge at the time, at a P.I. I. Hearing on 30.6.97 said there was nothing in the files to disclose. … if the fact that an application had been made was known at the trial, then would it have affected the outcome? Very difficult to say. It would depend on Alan Hughes answers to the questions. He when confronted with evidence may well have admitted to it. On the other hand depending on what evidence was available to establish the fact that a claim was made by him pre-trial and that Mr Alan Hughes had not been alerted to the Defence discovery, then he could have been trapped and his credibility questioned. But, as I've said many times, it's the victim's credibility, the 16 year old Aaron that was the issue in this case not his grandfather. So the question I have posed to myself is almost impossible to answer; there are too many hypothetical situations that could have arisen.” 154. It seems clear, therefore, that the fact that an application for compensation had already been made at the time of the trial would have been put to Alan Hughes in cross-examination had the defence known about it. However, the Commission concurs with the view of Mr Christie that it is impossible to assess what the likely effect that any such cross-examination would have been. Although the revelation that an application for compensation had already been made might have been seen as undermining Alan Hughes’ claim that he was “not interested at all, not at all”, much would have depended upon his other answers in this connection. The mere fact that an application for compensation had already been made by the time of the trial could have provided only limited support for the proposition that there was a financial motive behind the allegations against Mr Robotham if it could not also be shown that Alan Hughes was aware of the availability of compensation before the complaint to the police was made. 155. With regard to whether or not there is a reasonable explanation for this evidence not being adduced at the time of the trial, the Commission notes that Mr Robotham’s solicitors applied for third-party disclosure and that the Social Services files were perused by two judges who concluded that there was nothing in them that would assist the defence. The Commission observes that the letter from Mr Griffiths to Social Services which is referred to at paragraph 148 above (and which mentioned that he had discussed the possibility of claiming compensation with Alan Hughes) was among the Social Services papers at this time. Clearly, however, neither of the judges who read that file considered this to be of relevance to the defence case. 156. The Commission has considered whether the police or CPS were aware of the fact that an application for compensation had been made. Unfortunately, however, the relevant police and CPS files have now been destroyed. The Commission notes that, in line with the procedures of the CICA, a letter was sent to the South Wales Police in June 1997 (prior to the start of Mr Robotham’s trial) informing them that an application had been received by Aaron Hughes and asking them to confirm the details of the complaint as outlined on the application form. The CICA did not receive a response from South Wales Police until November 1997, and that response appears to have come from an administrative manager rather than from any of the officers directly involved in the investigation of the case. At this remove of time and given the destruction of the relevant files, the Commission has been unable to establish, with any degree of certainty, whether the application to the CICA was, before the trial, within the knowledge of the investigating police officers or the CPS. Mr Christie: Do you know a man called Des Hughes? Alan Hughes: Yes, I was friendly with him, very friendly, yes …. Mr Christie… At about this time, before.., the end of January, were you with Des Hughes when he filled in his claim for a Criminal Injury Compensation Board claim? Alan Hughes: Yes Sir…. Mr Christie: Did you help him fill in his form? Alan Hughes: No, nothing at all…. Mr Christie: I don't want you to go too far off the point if we can, but the point I am trying to make is this, that not long before you went to see the police, you became very interested when Des Hughes was making out a claim form for criminal injury compensation? Alan Hughes: No Sir I'm not interested at all, not at all. Mr Christie: Very interested. Alan Hughes: Not at all Sir, no. Outcome of the first review Second review Current Review “I asked him [Alan Hughes] about Des Hughes and he agreed he had witnessed him filling in a Criminal Injury Compensation Claim (in about January l997) and having Des Hughes talk of being assaulted. He denied this had "made him very interested in compensation" (P41) and was followed up, within a short time with his complaint to the police (27/1/97). Mr Hughes said he wasn't interested at all in Des Hughes' claim. So the inference was made for the jury to consider. I could really go no further. We had no evidence or instructions to push the matter further. I was not aware at the time of the trial that an application for C.I. Compensation had "already" been made…. My Solicitor was not aware either. Had I been aware of the fact that an application had already been made, and then of course this would have been put to Mr Hughes in cross-examination. Also, we (my Solicitor) would have obtained disclosure of the relevant document from the police. We had made a 3rd party application for disclosure from the Department of Social Services; we were aware that NSPCC had been mentioned. The senior resident Judge at the time, at a P.I. I. Hearing on 30.6.97 said there was nothing in the files to disclose. … if the fact that an application had been made was known at the trial, then would it have affected the outcome? Very difficult to say. It would depend on Alan Hughes answers to the questions. He when confronted with evidence may well have admitted to it. On the other hand depending on what evidence was available to establish the fact that a claim was made by him pre-trial and that Mr Alan Hughes had not been alerted to the Defence discovery, then he could have been trapped and his credibility questioned. But, as I've said many times, it's the victim's credibility, the 16 year old Aaron that was the issue in this case not his grandfather. So the question I have posed to myself is almost impossible to answer; there are too many hypothetical situations that could have arisen.”