"It will be asserted by the Defence that: a) The murders were probably carried out by Alison Lewis. b) Stephen Lewis (Alison Lewis' husband) possibly assisted Alison Lewis by trying to destroy the scene of the murders. c) Stuart Lewis (Stephen Lewis' twin brother) may possibly have thought that Alison Lewis was capable of carrying out the murders. This is evident from the evidence concerning his action at the scene and afterwards."
"You've got to come up with something" and a female voice replying: "
"Equally, as I understand Mr Rouch's submissions - though it is for you, not for me - he invites you to consider the possibility that the killer was Stephen Lewis. Again, that issue having been raised, it is for the prosecution to prove that he was not. If it remains a reasonable possibility that Stephen Lewis was the killer, you will find the defendant not guilty. Even if you are sure that Alison Lewis was not the killer and Stephen Lewis was not the killer, it does not follow that the defendant is guilty. You would have to be sure in addition that some unknown third party - a chance intruder, a prowler, another acquaintance - did not commit the murders. You might however find the nature of the killings (and particularly the subsequent activity in the house) such that you can safely reject that last possibility. If you do reject it, if you are sure that the killer was not a chance intruder, a prowler or some other acquaintance, then it follows, does it not, that you have seen the killer in the witness box. Alison Lewis, Stephen Lewis and the defendant have all given evidence. If you exclude the chance intruder or another acquaintance, one of those three is the killer."
"Both men had confirmed to me that they had no objection to me representing David Morris in the case provided it was a situation that David Morris did not suggest that Stephen Lewis had committed the murders."
"I was bound by a pre-condition that I would not say Stephen Lewis had committed the murders and as I keep telling you if I have breached that condition then that is a matter for Stephen Lewis because I did not feel that that put me in a conflict of interest and I disclosed everything to David Morris."
"They remain concerned that you may use information obtained from them in the defence of Morris. We also understand that the defence statement contains the words 'Stephen Lewis possibly assisted Alison Lewis by trying to destroy the scene of the murders'. This information has been released to us by the Detective Chief Inspector Coutts. We would repeat our concerns to you expressed in our telephone conversation on 15th February, that we consider you to be in a most difficult position from a professional and ethical point of view. We appreciate that you have considered these matters, but our clients remain concerned as the trial approaches."
"Your clients have my assurance that I have kept completely confidential any instructions provided to me by them. I have not made any disclosures of confidential information to my client David George Morris. I shall not do so in the future."
"As you are aware the above-mentioned officers, who are my clients, were arrested in relation to the Clydach murder enquiry on4th July 2000 ." ... "
"On29th August 2001 , David Hutchison, solicitor, on behalf of Ian Stuart Lewis and William Stephen Lewis, made formal complaints resulting in the service of Regulation 9 notices on 18 police officers of all ranks from Constable to Detective Superintendent. A complaint was also made against the Chief Constable of South Wales. The complaints included allegations of perjury, attempting to pervert the course of justice, wrongful arrest, false imprisonment, failure to properly investigate a complaint, inappropriate disclosure of confidential information and inappropriate disclosure of sensitive information."
"As I explained above I have ceased to act for both Lewis brothers prior to the arrest of David Morris. I have not acted for either of the Lewis brothers since David Morris was arrested."
"All these potential problems are patently obvious on the papers before me. Any one of them might create a situation of serious embarrassment to the Crown, such that the integrity of the prosecution might be called into question by the defence. That, in turn, might lead to the trial itself being brought to a premature end without result, and in consequence, the needless expenditure of much public money. If that were to occur the court would obviously have to consider the making of a wasted costs order against the Crown Prosecution Service and against prosecuting counsel."
"In the course of the trial we anticipate the possibility that Stephen Lewis may be questioned about why it was that he declined the particular form of identification procedure. I am not saying that it will happen but, with the reasonably alert mind, one would anticipate the possibility of it. Mr Lewis through his solicitor has indicated to the police that the reason why he did not attend that procedure was that he was advised not to do so by Mr Hutchison, who said he had consulted leading counsel Mr Rouch. My Lord, your Lordship ought to know that. That is all I say."
"It really was dealt with in quite a dismissive way by the trial judge. Myself and Mr Jones commented on that when we left court."
"Q. But subject to your release you were then asked whether or not you would be prepared to attend an identity parade? A. Yes, I was. About three weeks later. Q. About three weeks later. And, to be fair to you, you were co-operative and said, yes, you would attend? A. I declined initially. Q. But then you said, yes, you would attend? A. Yes."
"There was then a discussion concerning my [Mr Hutchison's] position in the case and the potential for a conflict of interest. It was agreed at the outset that on the face of it there is no conflict of interest between David George Morris and Stephen and Stuart Lewis. This is upon the basis that I am not privy to any information concerning David George Morris from Stephen and Stuart Lewis' case which I would not otherwise be privy to had I not acted for Stephen and Stuart Lewis. However, initially, Mr Rouch expressed himself somewhat concerned when he realised that this firm was acting for the Lewis brothers in their civil case against the police. I told him that Rosemary Cookson [another member of the firm] was acting for him in that regard. He was concerned by the fact that there may be a potential for conflict in as much as the Lewises may think that we are not pursuing their case as hard as we may otherwise do and alternatively Morris may be left with the impression that we are not pursuing his case as hard as we might otherwise do to favour the Lewises."
"Mr Rouch suggested that in order to protect ourselves completely it came to a position where instructions were taken from David Morris regarding the role played by Stephen and Stuart Lewis in the case it would be best if a Chinese wall was erected and Katherine Stewart dealt with these matters. Mr Rouch was particularly concerned that if Mr David Morris was convicted and transferred his instructions elsewhere there may be a suggestion that because of my [Mr Hutchison's] previous involvement with Stephen and Stuart Lewis we had not been as robust as we might otherwise have been in relation to their position in the case."
"Mr Rouch confirmed to me that he took the view that at this moment in time there was no conflict of interest and there was no reason why I couldn't continue to act in the case. I did raise the issue that if Stephen Lewis was called as a prosecution witness my position would be somewhat different. Mr Rouch's view was that the position wouldn't change in this sense. He told me that it would be his intention to question Stephen Lewis and address the jury upon the basis not that he was certainly in Gellionen Road but rather the prosecution evidence was that he was in Gellionen Road and if that was correct what was he doing in Gellionen Road."
"What leading counsel decided would be done. But on the other hand Mr Rouch is a democrat and he will always listen."
"Look, let me make this clear. I had a certain input into the tactics into the case but my primary job in this case is case preparation. How the case is presented to the jury is a matter for counsel."
"David George Morris was eventually charged with the four murders and I continued to act for him. I have continued to monitor the situation and to discuss with David George Morris frequently my involvement with Stephen and Stuart Lewis. It has become apparent that as part of David George Morris's defence the evidence against Stuart and Stephen Lewis will have to be presented to the jury. However, it will not be said that either committed an offence merely the jury's attention drawn to the evidence and they asked to draw their own conclusions. The evidence which will be presented to the jury against the Lewises forms part of the disclosure given to me by the Crown Prosecution Service in the case of David George Morris. In other words, I am not privy to any information involving the Lewises which any other solicitor would not be made privy to as a question of disclosure in the case. I am of course conscious that an issue might arise where I would have been provided with instructions by the Lewises which would benefit David George Morris, but that information is not provided to me by the prosecution. Should that situation arise then I will reconsider the position in relation to a conflict of interest. I do not however, anticipate that as a problem given that Stephen Lewis was subject of 34 detailed interviews by the police and Stuart Lewis 22 interviews. There is nothing that I would anticipate at this moment in time which would cause me to be put into that position."
"at the point when I was told that that was how the case was to be presented I discussed with Mr Rouch my professional position. It did raise a concern with me."
"Q. You have been cross-examined specifically about this point, that you may not have gone so far actually as to suggest that Alison Lewis or Stephen Lewis were involved in either the murders or the fire setting of Kelvin Road? A. Yes. Q. Was that a conscious and deliberate decision on your part? A. Yes, it was. Q. That was a strategic decision you took? A. Yes, I, myself, and Mr Francis Jones, in consultation with David Morris and the others, decided the way to approach the evidence and to approach the case. Q. In making that decision, were you in any way influenced by the fact that Stephen Lewis had previously been represented by David Hutchison? A. No. Q. So it is a stand alone decision? A. Yes. Well, stand alone. It was also the same decision we made concerning Alison Lewis."
"MR JUSTICE BUTTERFIELD: Mr Rouch, you have cross-examined the witness at some length about what the police put to her. Are you putting those allegations to this witness or not? MR ROUCH: My Lord, we cannot. MR JUSTICE BUTTERFIELD: You are not. Thank you. Yes, Mr Harrington? MR HARRINGTON: Precisely what I was going to ask, my Lord."
"The suggestion must be, I think, that Inspector Lewis was, in fact, in some way involved in the killings or of the fires or knew something about it. That is the suggestion as I understand it to be."
"In fact that was not the suggestion you were making, was it?"