“Yes. My application, first of all, is to say that it is wrong for the Crown to rely on both those propositions, because of the case I have just cited to your Honour. They have to say either that the quality ... ”
“Do not be ridiculous. Of course, they do not have to either/or they can say both.” “Do not be ridiculous. Of course, they do not have to either/or they can say both.”
“extremely grateful if your Honour would let me make an application ...”
“No, because you are not making an application, you are simply saying that in some way the Crown have opened the case in a way that it is not possible, and, of course, it is possible.”
“Your Honour, if I may make this point and then we can move on. If Miss Thomas is an expert, because she is giving opinion evidence as an expert, then ...”
“No, she is not an expert.”
“Well, if she is to give ... if opinion evidence is not admissible per se in a trial, unless it is given by an expert ...”
“I am simply not going to take up any more time with this application.”
“made no note of anything” and told counsel: “Let us not be silly. Let us move on”
“Well, what is this nonsense about her not looking at the copy document …”
“I think that is rather unfair, your Honour. I am not …”
“Well, it is not unfair at all. Anyone dealing with a case properly would have said by now there is no … you have not made the suggestion, so, presumably, you are accepting that that is not her signature?”
“… it is not a proper way to question anyway …”
“You are given to … whilst it is quite appropriate for defence counsel to take every point, you go beyond that which is proper on so many occasions that it is another one of them. Had it been an appropriate way of dealing with the case, it would not have been an appropriate way to ask the question.”
“Well, you are, provided you exercise extreme caution, because it is very easy for you to overstep the mark …”
“No it is not. It is not.”
“I am not sure which circumstances …”
“Counsel: Well, your Honour, I would appreciate …. Judge: As I have said on other occasions … Counsel: In that event, if your Honour would please tell me, so that it is not said in front of the jury, as your Honour just said which … Judge: Well, I am afraid it will be, because I am giving you … you must act responsibly, if you go beyond it and start going beyond it, then I will do my best to indicate that you are doing so, but is perfectly obvious and you know perfectly well how to behave yourself. You are not a baby barrister, you’ve been doing this for some time, so you know perfectly well and everything you do is deliberate.”
“No: I am sorry, your Honour, I do not …”, to which the judge replied, “Or at least you should do”
“You know perfectly well that that is not the reason. The answer is there is no answer to the questions at that time and that may be relied on by the Crown as evidence from which inferences can be drawn”
“You have quite unnecessarily gone into … the use of the card”, and he then went on, “for some reason known best to yourself, picking through every little stone, in case there is something that might fortuitously come up, you’ve gone into the whole business of the card and so forth, and, now, counsel quite fairly, unnecessarily fairly, actually had left out the second transaction and I think now he is entitled to put it in”
“I do not know why you did it, but it is your way and you think there is a benefit in it, I am afraid I do not. Anyway, there we are.”
“You see, you just find yourself unable to stop. Again, you have told the jury that if they want to they can see the tape. The answer to that is they cannot. It is not an exhibit and it deliberately was not made an exhibit, so we would not have difficulties in the middle of the jury being out and wanting to come back and look at it because there are stills in this case.”