“2. This case has a long and tortuous history. It has been before me for at least the last three years. The case has involved the instruction of a child psychiatrist, Dr Julet Butler, a renowned expert in high parental conflict cases, Dr Janine Braier, who worked in association with a colleague, Ms Karen Woodall. Dr Braier and Ms Woodall worked for an extensive period of time of at least 15 months with the mother, the father and the children to try and resolve the conflict between the parents. 3. They ultimately came to the conclusion that they had failed to do so, that the mother had not achieved the degree of change required and that she had turned the children against the father and if the children remain living with her it was undoubtedly the case that the emotional and psychological harm that the children had already suffered would be reinforced and would be detrimental to the children, not only for the balance of their minorities, but throughout the whole of their lives. It would have an adverse impact on their ability to form relationships with partners and would have an adverse impact on their own ability to parent their own future children. 4. Accordingly, having heard all the evidence and taking into account the expert evidence, I ordered a transfer of residence of the children from the mother to the father. The mother challenged that decision on appeal and that was unsuccessful. 5. In November 2020, the children moved to live with their father. There were two early episodes where they ran away. The police were involved to recover the children. They then appeared to settle. There were various applications made on behalf of the mother, including for the children to be joined as parties. I refused that application on the grounds [that] given the damage they had suffered their real and true wishes and feelings could not be established. … 6. The children appeared to be happy and settled in their father’s care until the events of the summer of last year, 2021. The family travelled to the United States of America. Towards the end of that holiday, E ran away and went to the American police. He made allegations against his father. The police secured the [return] of [E] to his father and they returned home to this jurisdiction. ….”
“Similarly, the Metropolitan Police had indicated an intention to seek to interview the children in case there were any criminal charges that could be pressed against the father. I required the Metropolitan Police in the figure of a senior officer in charge of child protection to file a statement setting out chapter and verse why, against the complex history of this matter, they wished to interview the children and that was a precondition to me allowing them to do so. No such statement has yet been filed. I therefore assume the Metropolitan Police do not wish to interview the children.”
“a man who appeared on the street, she thinks in April. He is not of UK descent … He systematically intercepted [A], and then also [B], giving them notes, instructions, phones, and arranged phone calls between the children and their mother. Their mother, … … instructed [the children] to make allegations that their father had harmed them. …the maternal grandparents, are involved in this. They have, at times, …[used] what I can only describe as threatening behaviour towards [A] in particular. Trackers, … were given to the children, and they were asked to secrete them so that their mother would know where they were at all times. …The man who regularly intercepted them gave [A] around£200 in cash, with which she purchased phones. Phones were left in various places around London for her to obtain, and then she was told by her mother to dispose of them. … It was planned that they would run away together in America. [B was told] about the US having a different legal system.”
“both the school and the local authority need to know that certain information has come to light which shows that the children are at exceptional risk of significant harm and need the highest degree of protection, which has been endorsed by the court.”
“UPON the court having received the application of the Metropolitan Police to interview the children It is ordered and directed that: - 1. The Commissioner of Police for the Metropolis or her designated officer is requested to read and consider the report of Ms Karen Woodall dated19 January 2022 , directed to be disclosed to her by the main order made today and to consider to seek permission to withdraw its application in light of the content of that report. 2. In the event that the Commissioner of Police for the Metropolis seeks to pursue her application, the following directions shall apply: - (a) it must be listed in consultation with Mr Justice Keehan's clerk after liaison with the clerks to Ms Janet Bazley QC and Mr Edward Devereux QC with a time estimate of 1 hour. (b) it must be supported by a full and detailed explanation from a suitably qualified senior officer with knowledge of the facts as to why. despite the content of the said report, the application is being pursued. 3. Costs reserved.”
“21 There has, as Commander Southworth accepted, been no account taken of or consideration given to the welfare best interests of these children, of the potential adverse impact of them being interviewed on their emotional and psychological well-being and an analysis as to whether, rather than simply the broad duty upon the police to investigate crime, in this case and in the circumstances of this case it is necessary and appropriate to investigate or, as part of that investigation, to interview the children. 22 As I have made plain in all of my judgments and at this hearing today, I am exceedingly worried about the current emotional and psychological well-being of the children. I am similarly very worried and concerned about their future emotional and psychological well-being. 23 It is accepted on behalf of the Metropolitan Police, both by Commander Dales and Commander Southworth, that however skilled their officers are, they are not psychologically trained. I have very grave concerns that if these children are now, some five months on, asked in detail about what they alleged against their father or what they have now said about their mother it will cause them emotional and psychological harm with potentially grave consequences. Accordingly, in my judgment I would only permit the Metropolitan Police to interview either or both of the children, exercising the parens patriae jurisdiction of this court, if I was satisfied that it was proportionate and necessary in the interests of justice to do so. It will be plain to all that, absent the balancing exercise being undertaken by the police, I am not persuaded that it is proportionate or necessary for me to vary my order so as to permit the Metropolitan Police now to interview these children.”
“The High Court cannot exercise its powers, however wide they may be, so as to intervene on the merits in an area of concern entrusted by Parliament to another public authority. It matters not that the chosen public authority is one which acts administratively whereas the court, if seized by the same matter, would act judicially. If Parliament in an area of concern defined by statute (the area in this case being the care of children in need or trouble) prefers power to be exercised administratively instead of judicially, so be it. The courts must be careful in that area to avoid assuming a supervisory role or reviewing power over the merits of decisions taken administratively by the selected public authority.”
“The ground of decision in A v Liverpool City Council[1982] AC 363 was nothing to do with judicial discretion but was an application in this field of the profoundly important rule that where Parliament has by statute entrusted to a public authority an administrative power subject to safeguards which, however, contain no provision that the High Court is to be required to review the merits of decisions taken pursuant to the power, the High Court has no right to intervene. If there is abuse of the power, there can of course be judicial review pursuant to RSC Ord 53: but no abuse of power has been, or could be, suggested in this case. It is important to appreciate that Lord Scarman was not referring to a rule going to the exercise of discretion; it is a rule going to the proper ambit of the powers of the wardship court.”