“1… On10 May 2011 the Defendant gave evidence to the Culture Media and Sport Committee of the House of Commons (‘the CMSC’). I shall refer to this as the Parliamentary evidence. The claim is not brought on the Parliamentary evidence, and could not be, because anything said in Parliament is protected by absolute privilege. But the Parliamentary evidence has been referred to outside Parliament, and the claims in this action arise out of those subsequent references.”
“That the freedom of speech, and debates or proceedings in Parliament, ought not to be impeached or questioned in any court or place outside of Parliament”
“[The defendant]: … The second area is about the conduct of some members of the FIFA executive… I would, if it was thought helpful by the Committee, go to the specifics of some things which were put to me personally, sometimes in the presence of others, which in my view did not represent proper and ethical behaviour on the part of those members of the committee. If that is helpful it is probably high time it was ventilated. Q48 Chair: … That would be helpful, and I think the Committee would like to hear it. [The defendant]: … The fourth example to bring to your attentions, Chairman, is this. We had a number of conversations with [the claimant], telephone conversations for the most part. He was eager to secure a match between the England team and the Thai team. … [He] said it would be a great honour if England came, and we talked about the possibilities, how it would fit in at the end of the season, what arrangements might be with the clubs. But the one thing that he did insist on was that one way or another the TV rights to the broadcast in the United Kingdom would go to him. I made the point that, broadly speaking, the right to games played overseas are owned by the federations or those in the countries where the game is played. It was not, in any case, in my view, something that we could or should organise, and I told him that. But that was what he believed was the critical thing to making the arrangement a success… Q49 Chair: … How overt in your mind was the linkage in each of the four cases between what was being asked for and the promise of a vote for the England bid? [The defendant]: In the first three examples they all took place absolutely in the context of formal approaches about the bid… I think that with [the claimant], it might be argued that the events were potentially different, but it is hard not to think that a member of the FIFA Executive Committee, who is potentially seeking what might be a very lucrative arrangement around a football match, is unaware of the idea settling in my mind, or in the minds of people in this country who are responsible for the bid, that these things would be linked… Q52 Chair: So you felt that to make a complaint that some members of the Executive Committee were being unduly influenced by what can best be described as bribes, and to pursue that the only result would be to absolutely ensure England stood no chance at all? [The defendant]: Yes Not only that, but when you listen to some of the things that members of the Committee said when The Sunday Times and then Panorama quite rightly, in my judgment, published the evidence they had about corrupt practices, the response was immediately that if we in England, including our media, behave like that, ‘Then you cannot expect any support from us’… Q54 Chair: On the basis of your experience, both in terms of your direct contact with certain members, and indeed from having observed the process, do you think that the outcome of the 2018 and 2022 contests was unduly influenced by improper behaviour on behalf of some members of the Executive Committee? [The Defendant]: I think it will have been influenced to some extent…”
“[Mr Dingemans]: Right, OK. And so far as this is concerned, this point against [the claimant], is there anything further in addition to your Commons committee evidence that you can assist with? [The defendant]: No. I don’t think I can add to it.” “Mr Dingemans]: … in relation to [the claimant], then, I just give you the same opportunity: is there anything else you want to say other than what is said in your Commons evidence? [The defendant]: No thank you.”
“I think that, if I try to add to it I may stray into territory not covered by Parliamentary privilege”
“If this action is triable, a parliamentarian will face the risk of defamation proceedings if he raises a misconduct issue in evidence to a parliamentary committee, in circumstances where he cannot reasonably refuse a request by that committee to enable or assist a subsequent investigation or enquiry outside Parliament. Such a principle is liable to inhibit or hinder freedom of speech in Parliament and would therefore infringe Article 9. Such a precedent may inhibit the parliamentarian from raising the matter at all or affect the way in which he presents it.”
“[T]he present case… illustrate[s] how public policy, or human rights, issues can conflict. There are three such issues in play in these cases: first, the need to ensure that the legislature can exercise its powers freely on behalf of its electors, with access to all relevant information; second, the need to protect freedom of speech generally; third, the interests of justice in ensuring that all relevant evidence is available to the courts. Their Lordships are of the view that the law has been long settled that, of these three public interests, the first must prevail…”
“[T]he law of Parliamentary privilege is essentially based on two principles. The first is the need to avoid any risk of interference with free speech in Parliament. The second is the principle of the separation of powers, which in our Constitution is restricted to the judicial function of government, and requires the executive and the legislature to abstain from interference with the judicial function, and conversely requires the judiciary not to interfere with or to criticise the proceedings of the legislature. These basic principles lead to the requirement of mutual respect by the Courts for the proceedings and decisions of the legislature and by the legislature (and the executive) for the proceedings and decisions of the Courts.”
“It is common ground in this appeal that statements made outside Parliament are not protected by absolute privilege even if they simply repeat what was said therein. That proposition, established by R v Abingdon (1794) 1 Esp 226, 170 ER 337 and R v Creevey (1813) 1 M & S 273, 105 ER 102, was more recently applied by the High Court of Ontario in Stopforth v Goyer (1978) 87 DLR (3d) 373 and the Supreme Court of the United States in Hutchinson v Proxmire 443 US 111, 126 et seq (1979). In such a case there will inevitably be an inquiry at the trial into the honesty of what the defendant had said, and if the defendant’s extra-parliamentary statement is found to have been untrue or dishonest the same conclusion would ordinarily, although not always, apply to the parliamentary statement also. But such an inquiry and such a conclusion are not precluded by article 9, because the plaintiff is founding his claim on the extra-parliamentary publication and not the parliamentary publication. The crucial distinction between such a case and the present, in the submission of the Solicitor General, is that Mr Jennings did not repeat his parliamentary statement, but confirmed it by reference only. Therefore it was necessary for Mr Buchanan to rely (as he did) on what Mr Jennings said in the House. That, it was said, infringed the protection afforded by article 9.”
“17… The right of Members of Parliament to speak their minds in Parliament without any risk of incurring liability as a result is absolute, and must be fully respected. But that right is not infringed if a member, having spoken his mind and in so doing defamed another person, thereafter chooses to repeat his statement outside Parliament. It may very well be that in such circumstances the member may have the protection of qualified privilege, but the paramount need to protect freedom of speech in Parliament does not require the extension of absolute privilege to protect such statements. 18. It is, again, an important principle that the legislature and the courts should not intrude into the spheres reserved to another. Thus if, as may happen, the absolute privilege of Parliament is abused, procedures exist… to afford a remedy to a person defamed, and it is not the function of the court to provide one. In a case such as the present, however, reference is made to the parliamentary record only to prove the historical fact that certain words were uttered. The claim is founded on the later extra-parliamentary statement. The propriety of the member’s behaviour as a parliamentarian will not be in issue. Nor will his state of mind, motive or intention when saying what he did in Parliament. The situation is analogous with that where a member repeats outside the House, in extenso, a statement previously made in the House. The claim will be directed solely to the extra-parliamentary republication, for which the parliamentary record will supply only the text.”
“the need to ensure so far as possible that a member of the legislature and witnesses before Committees of the House can speak freely without fear that what they say will later be held against them in the courts”; and “the need to ensure that the legislature can exercise its powers freely on behalf of its electors, with access to all relevant information”
“There is another possibility, no less probable than that the defendant was dishonest. It is that he was mistaken, or that he misinterpreted what the claimant had been saying to him during a telephone conversation, whether or not he was being unreasonable if he did that. There is no plea of any motive or other matter which might make dishonesty more likely than the absence of dishonesty.”
“It is accepted that the court should be wary of taking away an issue such as malice without its coming before a jury for deliberation. This step should only be taken where the court is satisfied that such a finding would be, in the light of the pleaded case and the evidence available, perverse.”
“The allegation of the publication on the website is in a different category. The basis on which this is said to give rise to a cause of action against the defendant was not addressed in the Particulars of Claim, nor in the arguments before me. The Particulars of Claim do not set out the words said to have been published on the website. Nor is there any pleading as to who may have read what was on the website. This is too vague an allegation to go forward on any basis. I would strike out the claim based on the website publication for lack of particularity, independently of any other ground.”