“15. Undertakings I understand that by signing this application I am accepting the undertakings below; that they will be recorded on the licence; that failure to comply with the conditions or undertakings recorded on the licence may result in the licence being revoked, suspended or curtailed; and that failure to comply with these conditions is a criminal offence. … • Vehicles and trailers, including hired vehicles and trailers, are kept in a fit and serviceable condition; • Drivers report promptly any defects or symptoms of defects that could prevent the safe operation of vehicles and/or trailers, and that any defects are recorded in writing; • Records are kept (for at least 15 months) of all driver reports that record defects, and all safety inspection, routine maintenance and vehicle repair reports, and that these are made available on request… I declare that the statements made in this application are true and that all supporting evidence supplied with regard to my application is correct. I understand that it is an offence to make a false declaration.”
“…Can you explain why the vehicle [RE09 AVO) was being operated on20th August 2024 without periodic mot and without vehicle excise licence? Reply that lorry was being maintained from looking at it, I believe it was having a wheel bearing done, so we didn’t have possession of the vehicle. Who did have possession of the vehicle? Reply Steve Avery Do you have any documentation to support the work that was done on the vehicle at Steve Avery? Reply He won’t give us any of the PMi’s and maintenance records, but we have the invoices Paperwork being the maintenance records? Reply Yes, the PMI’s, we may have invoices which we can look out for it and send them too you During the 1st visit we requested to inspect YK16XYA and requested for the vehicle to return back to base but due to the distance it wasn’t possible. … Vehicle YK16XYC we have verbally requested to inspect several times on 23rd and27th August 2024 . Where was the vehicle on these dates? Reply I don’t remember those dates but I can look into it On27th August 2024 you informed both myself and Vehicle Examiner Smith that the vehicle was in for maintenance work at Wall’s Trucks, is that correct? Reply again I’m unsure with the dates, but it was in at Walls trucks for maintenance work, I don’t agree with the several times, I believe it was once or twice Why was vehicle YK16XYC in the workshop? Reply Clutch repair When were you told that it was fixed and ready for collection? Reply I’m not sure, I can’t remember … When XYC left the maintenance provider, where did it go to? Reply I assuming that it came straight to the yard On27th August 2024 both myself and VE Smith repeatedly asked you where XYC was where you continued to state that the vehicle was having maintenance undertaken. … Throughout the investigation the black bulk trailer hasn’t been produced. On27th August 2024 where was the Black Bulk trailer? Reply at K & D, at maintenance provider … On23rd August 2024 we requested to inspect maintenance records where we were informed that there wasn’t a key for the cabinet. What maintenance records were available in the office VE Smith seized for inspection, and issued a receipt for those records. On27th August 2024 you indicated that the keys still hadn’t been found and you forcedly accessed the cabinet where the maintenance files were located. When inspection of the maintenance files took place, the receipt that was issued on 23rd August 24 was located in the vehicle files. So if no one had the keys to the cabinet, how did the receipt that was issued on 23rd August be found inside of the files on the 27th August? Reply I gave the receipt to Dom [presumably Vehicle Examiner Dominic Smith] and we put it in the vehicle folder on the Tuesday and a new receipt was issued for the files During the inspection of vehicle records for XYA it has been noted on the PMI record that K & B Haulage LTD is the operator, however the vehicle has been specified on the operators licence for RS Transport at the time of the inspection. Can you explain why the PMI’s are in your name but the vehicle is not specified on your operators licence? Reply Richard [possibly a reference to the operator’s designated transport manager] was here everyday, Steve Avery would come and grab the lorries and do the PMI’s, I’m assuming that because the lorries was here that Steve thought that it was ours … Reply There has been mistakes being made, I accept these to a point and I need to do better, I’m now a lot more involved with the running of the business and lorries, I did have a transport manager to do this, but I’ve taken this on myself and ensuring that everything is done correctly. This includes the paperwork side and ensured that we have an electronic systems in place for reminders for tax, insurance, tachograph calibrations, PMI’s, literally everything. Our electronic system scheduled for 2 years in advance so we don’t miss tachograph calibrations and PMI’s etc The matters will also be referred to the Traffic Commissioner for consideration, is there anything else you wish to add or say? Reply Moving forward I can demonstrate a planner for 2 years in advance, before we would have to pay, before the paperwork for the maintenance / PMI’s, now we don’t pay until we get the maintenance paperwork, which has proved to be very difficult with the maintenance providers. As a result we have changed maintenanceprovider again, which will provide paperwork on the same day of testing. We are constantly trying to improve, and we accept any information and guidance and punishment that maybe coming my way. I’m hopeful to keep the operators licence and prove we will do better. Unfortunately, I can’t change the past and the past failings but I can make sure that it doesn't happen again. I would be happy to evident this every two to three months if required. This concludes the interview. I will now ask you to read the notes of interview and sign them as a true record, or to indicate in which respects you consider any part of them to be incorrect. I confirm that this is a true record of the interview.”
“Please see below reply in regards to the maintenance investigation [dated5 October 2024 , page 147]. We firstly would like to hold our hands up and accept that things have not been done correctly previously, this was an oversight of the Director who had employed a transport manager and assumed he was completing all that was needed, when on discovery it was clear he had not. Kyle has now taken responsibility over this and we have made a lot of changes since your visit to show our commitment for changes going forward. … We now have a new service provider, work is completed on time, in a timely manner and inspection records received at time of vehicle collection or earlier, inspection sheets are supplied via the pendigo system and all relevant sections are completed, any errors/issues are raised immediately and fixed imminently. Every inspection includes a roller brake test. … We have now started using Davis Commercials in Newport, we have sent a maintenance contract to them, awaiting signing, and I will be updating the operators license to show them as our only maintenance provider when I receive signed documentation. …”
“TC (Traffic Commissioner): …you’re not represented…so what happened there? KG (Kyle Gettings): [solicitor] was exceptionally busy, and for her to take it on she needed more time. And to be fair, sir, I, there’s not much to defend me. I can see my failings and, you know, with the greatest respect, I don’t want to waste your time and you know, all we can do is show you how we failed and how we, you now, progressed now, so it’s very limited what she can defend me for. … KG:…so every time a lorry went in it was like 4,000 or 5,000 pounds every time it was going in for an inspection…so Steve Avey…was our contract manager, he would just turn up, just grab the lorries, take them up because we was next door. He would then do the work. He would then invoice us. Then when he was coming to MOTs, it was like 4,£5,000 or£6,000 , which we was like, hang on, how is it so much when you’re supposed to be keeping on top of these? However, they would then go into the MOTs and then fail. So, we’re like, right, we’re paying all this money, why is it now failing every time it goes to MOT? We can’t do that. That goes against us. So that’s when we looked around. So, we found a company called…EMH and we started using EMH and they said, right, OK, we want our money up front. I said, I’ll tell you what, we’ll pay you 50% up front because we were paying them and then weren’t getting the paperwork for several weeks later. I didn’t see it as an issue because [transport manager] was dealing with of all this, and he never sort of relayed it back to me. I assumed everything was fine and this is only now that I’ve gone deeper into all of this is how I’ve seen the huge failings. … TC: So, what facilities – EMH…what facilities have they got? KG: Well, this is it. So, they were coming to us, and they were doing it and doing a brake test at [unintelligible] which then when we spoke to Dom [DVSA Vehicle Examiner], he said he can't do that. I said, how can he do it? And I was like, I don't know, he's told me he's DVSA approved. Which you sort of believe you have to go with someone who says they are, especially when they use the words DVSA. However, when Dom told us, we changed immediately, and that's when we go to Davis, which you'll see all the document with Davis now… they're very, very good. They're very thorough. They won't let the lorry go unless it's right. And the paperwork is instantly before they send the invoice. We pay the invoice and it's done. You know, we have no worries anymore of paperwork not turning up, the right things on there because when Dom actually took the time to go through it, we could see that they weren't doing tyre ages or, you know, things like that, very small things, or the date, not the date, sorry, the unit number was wrong, whereas all these, they're perfect… … TC: OK. I'm going to turn now to the vehicle examiner's statement…page 70… it says, 'The number of trailers in possession has not been recorded due to the operator not confirming what trailers are in their possession', and throughout this there's reference to a black bulker, I think, and a blue bulker, and you didn't make them available for inspection. KG: That, I'm sorry, that is incorrect. So, the trailers, which we actually showed on the evidence, it was scrapped because they were no good. So, we had someone come down and they had a look, and they were scrapped. The one trailer we were using was a friend of ours from TM Waste, which I explained that to them, and then the other trailer was with KND… so they could never inspect that at that time. TC:…page 155…it says, ‘On 27th of August 2024, director Kyle Gettings drove the vehicle XYC and handed over the vehicle to Driver [Sergei] (ph)…At the time of handing over the vehicle it doesn't appear there was a trailer attached, but later in the journey, Driver Sergei collected a black bulk trailer local to the operating centre.'… you were interviewed about this… If I put it to you, you seemed to be very evasive in that interview. You'd been asked questions and you're not answering them straight, being quite difficult, and there appears to be evidence that actually, you'd driven that vehicle. TC: So, what facilities – EMH…what facilities have they got? 13. TC: So, you're saying, then later you say you didn't know that the lorry had been collected. 14. KG: Yes, I did, yes. 15. TC: But it was your tachograph card that was in the head – 16. KG: I lied to them, yes, I did. 17. TC: You lied? 18. KG: Yes. 19. TC: Why did you do that? 20. KG: Honestly, I don't know. I believe, I think I was being smart is the honest answer, trying not to answer them and going around it. 21. TC: Let's move on to something else, and this is an unusual one. The maintenance records, they were in a cabinet that you didn't have keys for. 22. KG: That’s correct. 23. TC: How did you not have keys for it? 24. KG: Because [transport manager] had them. So, [transport manager] comes up every week, and I can show you a message, every week he was coming up and doing 8 hours every Friday. So, he had them, I had no real need to go into it until making aware of it, being made aware of it. 25. TC: So, he resigned on the 31st of July, and this is the 23rd of August. 26. KG: He still came up 8 hours a week. And I could show, he was still coming out because I told him I still need him to do that. So, he actually resigned, and he left because he was there full time. 27. … 28. TC: Now it appears throughout this that you've been blaming your transport manager for most of the shortcomings. 29. KG: At first, yes, because I believe if I'm paying someone to do the job, then they should be doing that job. But looking over it all now, then no, it's not, he's not entirely at fault. I am at fault. I should have made sure he was doing his job… That's my biggest failure. I didn't manage him. Naively, I thought by paying all this money for him, then I didn't have to worry about it, but in actual fact, if someone's doing the job then I need to be a lot more involved to make sure they're doing the job… 30. KG:…I have text messages, but they're not going to be of no relevance to you, but asking Steve for the paperwork, he wasn't prepared to give us the paperwork until we paid him because we owe him like£4000 . I'm like, well, we're not going to pay you until you've given us the paperwork. And this is why the maintenance records are missing. This is why, you know, we've printed off all the invoices so you could see he's actually charged us for them. And, sorry, apologies, I just want to add at the time as well, no one wanted to accept blame right away until they actually go away and think about it rather than sitting there and saying nothing, it's probably the wrong course of action I took, but you know, reflecting on it and being in front of yourself now, I've got to be honest with myself and, again, honest with you. 31. … 32. TC:… how come your vehicles are all out of tax, and one was out of MOT? 33. KG: There is no answer, that's just damn right stupidity. It is damn right stupidity. When they said about it was - yeah. I can't blame anyone. There's no one to blame but myself. However, we have put a system in place now…we have alerts when anything's even close, so this doesn't ever happen again. 34. TC:…I've also had a look this morning at PMI for YK16 XYA. 35. KG: Yes. 36. TC: It was inspected on the 9th of December, so only a week ago. 37. KG: Yeah. 38. TC: And this is done obviously at Davis Commercials, and they found rear tyres below legal limit and in poor condition, and the action to be taken was to rectify it. So, then I have a look, so that's the 9th of December. And we've got some driver defect reports in here. It also records an air malfunction which the driver had been recording, but... so the latest one I had before the inspection appears to be the 6th of December where Sergei reports an air system malfunction, which he's been reporting for, to be fair to him, for months. 39. KG: Yes. 40. TC: But he didn't mention anything about the tyres being a bit low at the back. So how do I go from that, which I've got, it's taken out an odometer reading of 787,053 and a PMI that's 787,201, so 150 kilometres later, which records that the rear axle tyres are below the legal limit. 41. KG: I don't know. I haven't looked over that file yet, so. 42. TC: I mean actually recording them, the tread depths, he's actually recorded 3 out of 4 tyres at 0 millimetres tread depth. 43. KG: Who has? 44. TC: Davis Commercials. 45. … 46. TC: There are some questions I have to ask you, which you would think are blindingly obvious, but I have to ask you. Let's start with the ones that are maybe slightly less obvious. So, one thing I could do is curtail the licence from 10 vehicles to 10 trailers, and you're operating 2 at the moment? 47. KG: Yes, that's all we're doing, yes. 48. TC: So, if I was to curtail it to 2 or to 3? 49. KG: Three would be fantastic. 50. TC: If I was to suspend the licence, say for a period of 1 month or 3 months, how would you cope? 51. KG: Sir, whatever your decision is, I'll respect it. So, if it's 1 month, I'll learn to cope, 3 months I'll learn to cope, you know, it will be a detrimental factor against the company, but you're going to do what's best for everyone. So, one month, I'll be honest, one month would be a struggle, but I would heed my warning, and I'd understand, and I would get by. 3 months, that would be a lot… 52. … 53. TC: Right. As I say, some of these questions might be a bit obvious but I have to ask them, if I was to revoke the licence entirely, what would that do to your business? 54. KG: It would completely collapse. And obviously I'd have to get rid of drivers - the only driver we have, obviously - and potentially sell my lorries. 55. … 56. TC: And then if I revoke the licence, I can also disqualify you for a period, maybe 3 years, from holding a licence again. So, what would you do in terms of your career and employment? 57. KG: I don't know. It's, like I say, it's been a financial strain all year, and to try and start something else now would be very difficult I believe. Especially as now we're making good out of a very bad situation. 58. …”
“21… - Safety inspections are declared to be at six-weekly intervals. In total, only seven vehicle and two trailer safety inspection reports were made available for four vehicles and an unknown number of trailers over a fifteen-month period. There is a suggestion that they were carried out, but the maintenance provider would not provide the documentation. That has not been evidenced. In any case, equipment should not re-enter service until the transport manager or responsible person has had sight of the declaration of roadworthiness. Section 26(1)(e) [of the 1995 Act] is made out. Given the paucity of inspections evidenced and the resultant poor state of the fleet, I attach considerable weight. - There is evidence that drivers are not recording defects as they are required to do. Forty-four percent of safety inspections included driver reportable defects. As recently as October 2024, a vehicle was presented for a safety inspection with three tyres measured at 0mm tread depth. Only 14 driver defect reports were made available by the operator for four vehicles over a 15-month period. - The MOT failure rate is extremely poor. Of seventeen tests, eight have failed at first presentation, a failure rate of 47% against a national average of 8.48%. Vehicles have clearly not been kept fit and serviceable. - Two prohibitions have been issued to authorised vehicles. Section 26(1)(c)(iii) is made out… 22. There are many other major shortcomings identified in the maintenance report such as inspection reports incorrectly completed. The shortest gap between safety inspections is 102 days, meaning it was 60 days late. There was no load security policy or training, no effective wheel and tyre management, no management of emissions systems. I would set them out in detail, but normally serious matters seem quite insignificant against the findings I have already made.”
“(5) The powers conferred by subsections (1) and (4) in relation to the person who was the holder of a licence shall be exercisable also (a) where that person was a company, in relation to any director of that company…”
“If a party fails to attend a hearing, the Upper Tribunal may proceed with the hearing if the Upper Tribunal— (a) is satisfied that the party has been notified of the hearing or that reasonable steps have been taken to notify the party of the hearing; and (b) considers that it is in the interests of justice to proceed with the hearing.”