" Morality v. decency in Lord Mansfield's judgment " seems to me to come to the same thing. Now decency " is very difficult to apply in the Divorce Court, and " for this reason, that from the very nature of the pro- " ceedings there evidence must constantly be given that is " perfectly loathsome to the ordinary mind."
" With regard to decency, when we have to consider " the proceedings in the Divorce Court it is strange that " we should be asked to exclude some particular item " of evidence on the ground that to admit it would be " contrary to the principles of decency."
"I agree that the statute did not make (the parties) " competent to give any sort of evidence whether it was " according to the rules or not; it enabled them to give " evidence subject to the restrictions as to what could be " given that apply to any other witness; therefore, for " instance, hearsay could not be given by those parties. "
" That the said Christabel Hulme Russell has committed " adultery with a man unknown to your Petitioner, in " consequence of which adultery the said Christabel "
" All the cases cited are cases relative to children born " in wedlock, and the law of England is clear that the " declarations of a father or mother cannot be admitted to " bastardise the issue born after marriage. But here the " evidence offered is only to prove the time when the issue " was born and to show whether it was before the marriage " or after."
" As to the time of birth, the father and the mother are " the most proper witnesses to prove it, but it is a rule " founded on decency, morality and public policy that they " should not be permitted to say, after marriage, that they " had had no connection and therefore that the offspring is " spurious, more especially the mother, who is the offending " party. The point was solemnly determined by the "
"It is desirable to show, in a case of such importance " as this, that we adhere to the old rule of law without " any doubt. The rule cited in 2 Starkie on Evidence, " page 139, Note (x), Second Edition, from G oodright on " the demise of Stevens v. Moss (supported also by The "
" They (the Sessions) have therefore admitted the " husband to prove what, by a rule of law clear and " undoubted, and of obvious public utility, they could not " receive as evidence from him. The Order of the Sessions " must be quashed."
" I think that the evidence was as much inadmissible " as if the question had been put whether or not the parties " had had any connection."
" It is trifling to say that all inquiries may be " made of the witness close up to the point of access or " non-access, so that by a variation of terms the direct " question on that subject be avoided."
" My Lords, I can only say for my own part, as regards " the rule which I think most wisely and properly protects 5 " the sanctity of married intercourse and permits it not " to be inquired into in any Court of Law, it would be a " gross perversion of that principle to say that, under the " circumstances which I have suggested, the husband " should not be at liberty to prove his own virtue at all " events, and to prove that he had not induced the woman " whom he was afterwards to make his wife to be guilty of " the sin of fornication."
" But it is said that a declaration by the wife bearing " directly upon the point, if occurring in such a letter, " ought not to be received. I agree that it should not be " received as direct evidence of the fact."
" As mere declarations by Lady Aylesford, of course, " they would not be admissible; they are only admissible " as part of the conduct—part of the res gestoe."
" The parties to any proceeding instituted in conse- " quence of adultery, and the husbands and wives of such " parties, shall be competent to give evidence in such " proceeding : Provided that no witness in any proceeding, " whether a party to the suit or not, shall be liable to be " asked or bound to answer any question tending to show " that he or she has been guilty of adultery, unless such " witness shall have already given evidence in the same " proceeding in disproof of his or her alleged adultery."
" it enabled them to give evidence subject to the restrictions as to what could be given, just like any other witness."
" The law of England is clear, that the " declaration of a father or mother cannot be admitted to bastardise " the issue born after the marriage," and in the Judgment he said : "
"As regards the rule, which I think most " wisely and properly protects the sanctity of married intercourse, " and permits it not to be inquired into in any Court of Law" ; he then goes on to say that it does not apply to a period before marriage, and again he speaks of " a principle wisely ingrafted, as I think, " into our Law, which protects the sanctity of the matrimonial " relationship."
" This child was not mine, because I took the precautions which are " effectual," and then to have the jury consider the question as to whether this statement satisfies them ? Or again, is there to be the necessity that the jury are to be satisfied as to the reliability of the man's memory as to whether he, on a stated occasion, did not exercise marital functions ? And here I must say I am not moved by the observation made by the learned Judges of the Court of Appeal when it was pointed out that this opened the door to a married man to asseverate adultery on the part of his wife when she had had a child, that juries might be trusted. Juries are not always right in their determinations; they are sometimes swayed by considerations really irrelevant to the issue before them, and the verdict of a jury cannot be set aside merely because it is wrong. If this evidence is rightly admitted it puts a weapon in the hands of a husband, tired of his wife and anxious for a new start (for be it remembered this method of proving adultery is unavailable to the wife) the efficiency of which comes to depend upon the view of a jury upon a fact which hitherto has been thought to be one which ought never to be considered, except by the parties themselves, and it subjects the juries, where there is assertion and denial, to what I think is really an impossible task, namely, to find out which spouse is speaking the truth on a subject where no corro- boration of either is possible. But the question of public policy does not rest alone on the con- siderations where it is associated with decency. I have already mentioned the admission of the learned Counsel for the Respondent that the evidence is inadmissible in a true case of legitimacy; there- fore, said he, if the child in the present case grows up, and survives the Respondent and the Respondent's father, he will be able, nemine contradicente, to take his seat in this House. But the child need not wait till then; he may take proceedings under the Declaration of Legitimacy Act and have his legitimacy proclaimed at once. What 5 a situation ensues. This verdict standing, judgment is only reached by the admission of the fact that the seemingly legal father of the child was not his real father, and, if that is not a, declaration of bastardy, what is ? Yet at the same time, or at no long interval, the same Court may be called on to declare that the child is legitimate. Is that a position consistent with public policy ? The learned Counsel seemed to think that it was a good answer to point out that in a case where adultery is charged the wife may be found guilty, and the co-respondent with whom the adultery is committed is set free. But the case is not the same. Two persons are there in question; the one against whom a confession made by herself is used, pays the penalty; the other, against whom there is no admissible evidence, is not found liable in damages; there is no question of status as to him. But here the same person, and that one who is powerless to defend himself, is the subject of two positively contradictory findings. I am therefore of opinion that the words of Lord Mansfield are directly applicable to this case, and that it is against the interests of decency and public policy that the spouses should be allowed to give evidence of non-access, and thus de facto, even if not de jure, to bastardise their issue, when conception and birth alike fell within the time of wedlock. As to the form of non-access, or, more accurately, the class of evidence, such as absence, from which non-access to the person can be inferred, this can, I should say, in every case be proved by evidence aliunde. If, then, the dictum applies, was it altered by the passing of the Act which made the spouses competent witnesses in proceedings arising out of adultery ? My Lords, I cannot conceive how this can be. The competency of a witness, as a witness, is a perfectly different thing from what can be accepted as testimony. In Lord Mansfield's time there was no question as to the competency of the spouses as witnesses; he specially draws the distinction. He says they are not only competent, but the best witnesses as to the date of birth. In all the Poor Law cases, after the disability interest was abolished, the spouses were competent witnesses. I confess, therefore, that if once the rule is established, I see nothing in the admission of the spouses to be competent witnesses to alter the rule. I have had the advantage of reading the opinion delivered by Lord Finlay and I therefore do not repeat what he has said about Lord Bramwell's opinion in the Aylesford case : nor have I thought it necessary to quote the various cases which affirmed Lord Mans- field's dictum in terms. But then it is said that the testimony' of the spouses has been admitted in many other cases—in nullity, condonation, cruelty, and, lastly, in adultery, in the Divorce Court of recent years. Now as regards nullity, cruelty and condonation I do not feel the slightest difficulty; the whole point of Lord Mansfield's dictum rests on the concluding words: " and to make the issue spurious," in other words, it is when conjugal conduct is used, not as a thing in itself, but as leading to other inferences that the harm comes in. No proof of conduct or want of conduct which shows nullity, no proof of cruelty, such as communicating venereal disease, no proof of connection such as in itself is condonation, has the remotest reference to the point of legitimacy of issue. The evidence of the spouses in these cases is the only evidence available to the direct fact in issue, and has in the giving of it no evil consequences. Then, as to the practice of the Divorce Court, Sir Douglas Hogg has probably practiced but little in that Court, but he had with him others who had, and I did not understand him to say that he could cite any instance of the class of testimony in evidence in this case which has ever been given. I can well imagine that, especially after the war, it was found convenient in undefended cases to allow the husband to say: "
" I need only mention that Lord "
"I think there are cases which have been cited " before the late Lord St. Helier, before the late Lord Hannen " and before other Judges of the Divorce Court which all go to show " that in their opinion according to the practice of the Divorce "
" Morality v. decency in Lord Mansfield's judgment " seems to me to come to the same thing. Now decency " is very difficult to apply in the Divorce Court, and " for this reason, that from the very nature of the pro- " ceedings there evidence must constantly be given that is " perfectly loathsome to the ordinary mind."
" With regard to decency, when we have to consider " the proceedings in the Divorce Court it is strange that " we should be asked to exclude some particular item " of evidence on the ground that to admit it would be " contrary to the principles of decency."
"I agree that the statute did not make (the parties) " competent to give any sort of evidence whether it was " according to the rules or not; it enabled them to give " evidence subject to the restrictions as to what could be " given that apply to any other witness; therefore, for " instance, hearsay could not be given by those parties. "
" That the said Christabel Hulme Russell has committed " adultery with a man unknown to your Petitioner, in " consequence of which adultery the said Christabel "
" All the cases cited are cases relative to children born " in wedlock, and the law of England is clear that the " declarations of a father or mother cannot be admitted to " bastardise the issue born after marriage. But here the " evidence offered is only to prove the time when the issue " was born and to show whether it was before the marriage " or after."
" As to the time of birth, the father and the mother are " the most proper witnesses to prove it, but it is a rule " founded on decency, morality and public policy that they " should not be permitted to say, after marriage, that they " had had no connection and therefore that the offspring is " spurious, more especially the mother, who is the offending " party. The point was solemnly determined by the "
"It is desirable to show, in a case of such importance " as this, that we adhere to the old rule of law without " any doubt. The rule cited in 2 Starkie on Evidence, " page 139, Note (x), Second Edition, from G oodright on " the demise of Stevens v. Moss (supported also by The "
" They (the Sessions) have therefore admitted the " husband to prove what, by a rule of law clear and " undoubted, and of obvious public utility, they could not " receive as evidence from him. The Order of the Sessions " must be quashed."
" I think that the evidence was as much inadmissible " as if the question had been put whether or not the parties " had had any connection."
" It is trifling to say that all inquiries may be " made of the witness close up to the point of access or " non-access, so that by a variation of terms the direct " question on that subject be avoided."
" My Lords, I can only say for my own part, as regards " the rule which I think most wisely and properly protects 5 " the sanctity of married intercourse and permits it not " to be inquired into in any Court of Law, it would be a " gross perversion of that principle to say that, under the " circumstances which I have suggested, the husband " should not be at liberty to prove his own virtue at all " events, and to prove that he had not induced the woman " whom he was afterwards to make his wife to be guilty of " the sin of fornication."
" But it is said that a declaration by the wife bearing " directly upon the point, if occurring in such a letter, " ought not to be received. I agree that it should not be " received as direct evidence of the fact."
" As mere declarations by Lady Aylesford, of course, " they would not be admissible; they are only admissible " as part of the conduct—part of the res gestoe."
" The parties to any proceeding instituted in conse- " quence of adultery, and the husbands and wives of such " parties, shall be competent to give evidence in such " proceeding : Provided that no witness in any proceeding, " whether a party to the suit or not, shall be liable to be " asked or bound to answer any question tending to show " that he or she has been guilty of adultery, unless such " witness shall have already given evidence in the same " proceeding in disproof of his or her alleged adultery."
" it enabled them to give evidence subject to the restrictions as to what could be given, just like any other witness."
" The law of England is clear, that the " declaration of a father or mother cannot be admitted to bastardise " the issue born after the marriage," and in the Judgment he said : "
"As regards the rule, which I think most " wisely and properly protects the sanctity of married intercourse, " and permits it not to be inquired into in any Court of Law" ; he then goes on to say that it does not apply to a period before marriage, and again he speaks of " a principle wisely ingrafted, as I think, " into our Law, which protects the sanctity of the matrimonial " relationship."
" I left England on such and such a day; I did x 22485—26 B 6 " not return until such a day, and then I either found my wife had " had a child or she had subsequently had a child, when conception " must have been at the date when I was abroad."
" I need only mention that Lord "
"I think there are cases which have been cited " before the late Lord St. Helier, before the late Lord Hannen " and before other Judges of the Divorce Court which all go to show " that in their opinion according to the practice of the Divorce "
" To what an extraordinary state would the admission of this " evidence in the present case reduce the law of England ! The " infant may be illegitimate for the purpose of proving adultery; " but legitimate for the purpose of succeeding to property or title"