Archibald Douglas, Esq. of Douglas, an Infant, and his Guardians, Her Grace the Duchess Dowager of Douglas; His Grace the Duke of Queensberry, and Others v. The Duke of Hamilton; Lord Douglas Hamilton, and their Guardians, Sir Hew Dalrymple, Bart., and Others [1764] UKHL 6

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Archibald Douglas, Esq. of Douglas, an Infant, and his Guardians, Her Grace the Duchess Dowager of Douglas; His Grace the Duke of Queensberry, and Others v. The Duke of Hamilton; Lord Douglas Hamilton, and their Guardians, Sir Hew Dalrymple, Bart., and Others
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Archibald Douglas , Esq. of Douglas, an Infant, and his Guardians, Her Grace the Duchess Dowager of Douglas ; His Grace the Duke of Queensberry , and Others, Appellants v. The Duke of Hamilton; Lord Douglas Hamilton , and their Guardians, Sir Hew Dalrymple , Bart., and Others, Respondents

[Dickson on Evidence, p. 986, et et p. 644.]

House of Lords, December 1764 .

Subject_ Title to Sue — Proof — Witness — Re-examination. —

Held(1) that the respondents had sufficient title and interest to sue.(2) That it was competent to examine witnesses of new, who had been examined in Paris, in a process tournelle criminelle tournelle criminelle , in regard to the same matters.(3) That it was not necessary to make the cancellation of the witnesses' previous testimony an absolute condition of their being examined of new; and, therefore, their evidence allowed to be taken, but to be sealed up, reserving all objections.(4) Copies or excerpts of documents, and proceedings had before a foreign court, were ordered to be produced in case the originals themselves could not be got, or delivered up.Archibald Douglas, the infant appellant, had been served heir to the Duke of Douglas, his grandfather, upon a proof taken that he was the eldest lawfully born child of the marriage of Lady Jane Douglas with Sir John Stewart. Under this service, he had attained possession of the estate, when the respondents brought a reduction of that service, and for declaring their right to the estate.Before this action was called in Court, and some days after the summons was executed, the respondents applied for and obtained an order to have the examination of Sir John Stewart taken to lie in retentis in retentis , which was done, and sealed up accordingly.The allegation of the respondents being, that Lady Jane and Sir John Stewart had adopted two foundlings in Paris as their children, the appellants stated, that through the agency of James Stewart, they had set on foot a prosecution

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June 21 and 30, 1763.The appellants objected to the respondents' title to sue, but the Court repelled that objection.It was stated that the intention of this process Tournelle was to prepare witnesses to be examined afterwards under the authority of the Court of Session, and to oblige the persons examined before the Tournelle, to stick to a tale once told, whether true or false, under pain of perjury. It was with a similar view that Sir John Stewart's examination was demanded so early in the stage of the proceedings.Having complained of these proceedings, to the Court of Session, that Court ordered the respondents to specify and explain if these proceedings were adopted with their sanction. They confessed they had been so adopted.Thereafter, the respondents put in their condescendence, consisting of sixty-one separate articles, the first forty-three articles containing a detail of Sir John and Lady Jane's journey to Paris, with many circumstances tending to raise a suspicion that Lady Jane could not be delivered of twins, at the time and place mentioned in the service.The Lords of Session having heard counsel upon the matters contained in the condescendence, and the appellant having particularly insisted that the illegal methods taken to prepossess the witnesses examined in the Tournelle, should be held as a total objection to those witnesses in the present action; the Court appointed informations on these points.July 27, 1763.

Upon advising these informations, this interlocutor was pronounced:—

petition to the Parliament of Paris, praying that the depositions of the witnesses taken, in consequence of the plaintes at the instance of any of the pursuers, may be delivered up to the Commissioner to be named by the defenders, that these depositions may be cancelled; and also praying, that inspection be granted to the defenders of plaintes, records, or writings produced therein, and whole procedure had thereon, with liberty to the defenders to take copies, extracts, or excerpts thereof. And in case the depositions cannot be delivered up, find the pursuers must procure to the defender, or his agents at Paris, free access to, and inspection of, the plaintes, proofs, books, writings, and whole procedure had in these plaintes, before the Tournelle Criminelle, and liberty to the defender to take copies extracts or excerpts thereof; and this at least fifteen days before the pursuers examine any witness that has been adduced before the Tournelle Criminelle. And the Lords hereby discharge the pursuers, upon their peril, to examine any more witnesses, or to give in any more plaintes relative to the question in issue between the parties in this cause before the Tournelle Criminelle, or any other Court in France, or to carry on any farther procedure in the prosecution of the said plaintes, after the 11th of August next, and during the dependence of this cause: And find that no witnesses examined at the instance of the pursuers, before any Court in France, from and after the 10th August next, shall be admitted as witnesses in this cause. Find that the pursuers must procure inspection to the defenders, or their agent at Paris, of all such letters to the Lieutenant-General, or other present officers of the police, relative to the matters in issue between the parties, as shall, between the 15th day of August next, be specially condescended on at Paris by the defenders or their agent, as shall be extant at the time; and also of all books and registers of police, or other writings, relative to the matters in issue between the parties, which have been founded on by the pursuers, or which have been or may be communicated to him, and are in the custody and possession of the Lieutenant-General de Police, or other officers of the police, with liberty to take copies or extracts or excerpts from them, at least fifteen days before any witness can be examined for the pursuers in France.”
“Before answer, allow the pursuers ( i.e i.e . respondents) to prove the facts contained in the condescendences given in for them; and allow to the defenders ( i.e i.e . appellants) a conjunct probation, and both parties to prove every other fact and circumstance which they may judge material in the cause; and for that effect grant commission to both parties: Find the objection that certain witnesses had been examined before the Tournelle Criminelle of the Parliament in Paris, not relevant to incapacitate those witnesses from being examined as witnesses in this cause, reserving all objections to their credibility, when the proof comes to be advised. But find that the pursuers, before executing the commission now granted, must give in a

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On reclaiming petition to the Court, the Court pronounced this interlocutor:—

with these additions, that they appoint the depositions of the witnesses who have been examined before the Tournelle, to be sealed up separate from the testimonies of the other witnesses to be examined, and to transmit them as sealed up, not to be opened by either party without the authority of this Court; reserving to the defender to object against these examinations being made part of the state: And find that the defenders may examine any of the witnesses that may have been examined before the Tournelle, whether the pursuers shall have complied with the conditions of this or the preceding interlocutor in the cause or not: And find that the pursuers must procure free access to the defenders or their agents, to the proofs taken at Rheims, before the Commissioners of the Parliament of Paris, and also to any proof that may have been taken in England or Scotland, and to all reports that have or shall be made by the Curées to the Parliament or Procureur-General, in consequence of the monitoire which the pursuers have had inspection of, or are possessed of; and, if desired, shall join with the defenders in any application for getting possession or inspection of them.”
“Adhering to their former interlocutor,

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Dec. 21, 1763.

On further reclaiming petition, the Court pronounced this interlocutor:—

“But with this farther explanation, that before proceeding to the examination of any of the witnesses who have already been or shall hereafter be examined in the Tournelle Criminelle of the Parliament of Paris, either at the instance of the Procureur-General, or at the instance of the pursuers, the pursuers shall be obliged to comply with the conditions contained in the former commission. And ordain the pursuers and their doers, betwixt this time and the 1st January next, to produce, in the hands of the clerk to this process, copies of the whole plaintes given in by Sir Hew Dalrymple, and in name of the Duke of Hamilton and his tutor, or either of them, to the Tournelle Criminelle of Paris, on or since the 16th day of December 1762. And appoint the clerk of this Court, to furnish the pursuers with an extract of this judgment, to enable them to make due intimation thereof in manner above set forth.”
Dec. 24, 1763.On further petition the Court adhered.Against these interlocutors, the appellants brought this appeal to the House of Lords, 1st, In so far as these interlocutors sustained the respondents' title to sue; 2d, In so far as they found the objection to the witnesses examined before the Tournelle Criminelle, not relevant to incapacitate these

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Journals of the House of Lords.After hearing counsel, &c., upon the original appeal of Archibald Douglas, complaining of an interlocutor of the Lord Ordinary of 21st June 1763, and of five interlocutors of the Lords of Session of the 30th June, 27th July, 11th August, and 21st and 24th December, 1763, and praying, &c., and likewise upon the cross-appeal of George James, Duke of Hamilton, and his trustees, and Sir Hew Dalrymple of North Berwick, Baronet, complaining of two interlocutors of the Lords of Session, of 27th July and 11th August 1763, and two interlocutors of 21st December 1763, and praying, &c., as also upon the said George James, Duke of Hamilton, and his tutors, Lord Douglas Hamilton, and his tutors, and Sir Hew Dalrymple, put into the said original appeal; and the joint and several answer of Archibald Douglas of Douglas, Esq., an infant, and his guardians, the Duchess Dowager of Douglas, the Duke of Queensberry and others, put into the said cross-appeal; and due consideration had of what was offered on both sides in this cause: It is ordered and adjudged that the interlocutors of 21st and 30th June 1763, complained of be affirmed: And it is hereby ordered, that the interlocutor of the 27th July 1763, in part complained of by the said original and cross-appeals, after the word (“grant”) the words (“a new”) be inserted; and after the word (“commission to both parties”) that following words be inserted (“to be executed in the usual manner, pursuant to the authority thereby given;”) and that after the words (“can be examined for the pursuers in France,”) the following order and declaration be inserted (“But in case the pursuers shall insist that they cannot procure the depositions or writings above-mentioned, to be delivered up, or obtain inspection thereof, it is hereby ordered, that they shall produce all copies thereof, or of any part thereof, as also all such letters or copies of letters, to the Lieutenant of the Police, or other officers of the police, for the time being, relative to the matters in question, between the parties, and all copies or registers of police, and

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Counsel: For the Appellants, Fl. Norton, Fra. Garden, Jo. Burnet, David Rae. For the Respondents, Tho. Miller, C. Yorke.