"PVD Article 11 limits VAT grouping to the territory of the Member State. Whilst the UK applies VAT grouping to include overseas branches and offices of the VAT group members it does not follow that HMRC will necessarily allow a company to VAT group simply because it has created a UK establishment. Where, in HMRC's view, the UK branch is set up in order to remove substantial supplies provided from outside the U from a charge to UK VAT, whether or not such a branch meets the test for a fixed establishment, HMRC will consider applying its protection of the revenue powers. Objectively, on the information provided to us, we consider that the UK branch of BSC was set up in order to remove substantial supplies provided from outside the UK from a charge to UK VAT. In our view, this amounts to a revenue loss beyond the normal operation of UK grouping. Despite the claims made by you regarding the commercial reasons behind the UK branch structure, the evidence that has been produced to HMRC does not point to a real commercial function for BSC UK, and that the benefits of any such function are insignificant compared with the VAT benefits of sheltering supplies from the main overseas establishment" 36. It seemed to me at the hearing, and still on reflection seems to me, that this passage (which I have set out in full) appears to be the expression of some underlying (but unarticulated) policy. 37. In terms of policy, HMRC's Internal Manual for VAT Groups, published on10 April 2016 , been placed before me. What is says about Collection of Revenue is brief and does not shed much light on what the policy is. It simply says, "