"Mere couriers or custodians or other very minor contributors to an offence, rewarded by a specific fee and having no interest in the property or the proceeds of sale, are unlikely to be found to have obtained that property." ” The reference at [189] of this judgment to Article 7 (3) is a reference to that provision of EC Directive 92/12/EC, the predecessor to the Directive. This wording is in all material respects equivalent to the wording now to be found in Article 33 of the Directive and reflected in Regulation 13 of the 2010 Regulations. 23. It is therefore clear that in White that the Court of Appeal tentatively expressed the view that whether a lorry driver could be said to be "holding" goods subject to excise duty was dependent on his state of knowledge as to what was being transported. We note at this point that the Court referred in this context not just to "tobacco" but to "smuggled tobacco" which we take to mean tobacco in respect of which duty has not been paid. 24. Clearly the passages in White referred to above were obiter and no reasoning is developed as to how the concept of knowledge as to the nature of the goods being transported is to be regarded as being implicit in the wording of the Directive. 25. Taylor and Wood v R[2013] EWCA Crim 1151 was another case considering whether an individual participating in a smuggling scheme had benefited from criminal conduct as a result of obtaining a pecuniary advantage, namely the evasion of excise duty through his involvement in the scheme. The relevant facts were as follows. Mr Wood through the freight forwarding firm that he controlled effected the secret transportation of counterfeit cigarettes, the load concerned being described as textiles. Mr Wood instructed a road haulier firm, Yeardley, to pick up the goods in Belgium and bring them to the UK. Yeardley had no idea what they were delivering and was described in the judgment as no more than an "innocent agent" in the importation of cigarettes. Yeardley employed a subcontractor, Heijboer, who were likewise described as being innocent. 26. The Court of Appeal at [ 16] referred to May and said at [ 17] : "