“I wish to appeal against the penalties as I actually filed the returns online (5/4/10) and I also sent paper copies (19/4/10) as I was not totally confident with my computer skills! Upon contacting the helpline I was advised to do both of the above ref:12804508. Obviously you have thousands of returns to process but to allow four months to pass without contact seems unfair as this amounts to a fine of£400 . I would have acted sooner if I had known the facts.”
“You have advised that you filed your return online on5 April 2010 . Unfortunately I have no record of your return being submitted at that time. I have checked with my Online Services colleagues and they have advised that they hold no records of you logging into the system between9 February 2010 and3 October 2010 . In addition there are no records of submission attempts prior to the successful submission on2 November 2010 . I attach a printout that shows the dates and year of returns received from you. You can note that the 2009/2010 return was only received on2 November 2010 . You have advised that you also sent in a paper copy of the return on19 April 2010 . Again there is no record of this return being received. In any case 2009/10 was the first year that it was mandatory for you to file your return electronically. In your appeal you state that our Help line advised you to send in your return both electronically and in paper. I can advise that I can trace no call reference, 12804508, on our systems for the past 2 years. I have searched under your employer reference and can’t find any calls raised with the Online Services Helpdesk in 2010 or 2011. In relation to the 4 month period before a penalty notice was issued, I would advise that this is normal procedure for HMR&C. The law states that the forms P35 should be with HMRC by19 May 2010 . We have to update our relevant computer systems once returns are submitted to us, and then we perform checks to see what returns were still not with us by 19 th May. We take care to try and ensure that we do not send out penalty notices when we have had the return in by the due date. All this does take time, and so we do not issue penalty notices until about September. In light of the above I have to rule that you have not offered a reasonable excuse so the decision to reject the penalty appeal was correct.”
“I thought I had filed my return online 5/4/10. I also sent paper copies following advice from the helpline ref: 12804508 I spoke to Greg. I have enclosed evidence that I logged onto the system 28/3/10 and 27/1/11. I have called the helpline on numerous occasions. Because I thought that I had already filed the return I did not need to act further. 4 months is a long time to wait to be notified that I had not successfully filed the return.”
“The reason our appeal was late is simply that we did not pay the correct amount of postage when we originally posted our appeal. It was therefore returned to us to pay the correct amount. We duly did this but of course this adds a number of days onto the postage time obviously taking us over the 30 day limit.”
“The reason our appeal was out of time was simply that we allegedly did not put the correct amount of postage on the envelope. It was returned to us to re-post with the correct amount of postage paid. We duly did this but of course this adds a number of days onto the postage time obviously taking us over the 30 day limit.”