"57. What Mr Sweeney is arguing is that no liabilities transfer to Graysons because the state has set up a guarantee process. I cannot find in his favour in that regard. My view is that if the liability falls outside Part XII of the 1996 Act then those liabilities pass under TUPE because at the point of transfer the claimants are not entitled to be paid what is due to them and the debt has not fallen due. The claimants would not at the time have been able to present a claim to the Secretary of State for payment of their equal pay claims. Indeed they may not be able to quantify the debt. The Secretary of State, if an application were made, would refuse such a request because it would be a payment outside the ambit of the legislation. The debt to the claimants will only become due if they succeed in their equal pay claims and not before. If that date is obviously a date after the date of the transfer to Graysons then Graysons will be liable unless they can successfully defend those claims at the final hearing. (v) If wrong in reaching that conclusion, he concluded that any liabilities exceeding what the Secretary of State is liable to pay under Part XII transfer to the transferee in any event. The Employment Judge regarded this as a strong pointer in the Claimants' favour generally: paragraph 59.
"s.182 If, on an application made to him in writing by an employee, the Secretary of State is satisfied that :- (a) the employee's employer has become insolvent, (b) the employee's employment has been terminated, and (c) on the appropriate date the employee was entitled to be paid the whole or part of any debt to which this part applies,
"(1)(a) any arrears of pay in respect of one or more (but not more than) eight weeks (b) any amount which the employer is liable to pay the employee for the period of notice required by section 86(1) or (2) or for any failure of the employer to give the period of notice required by section 86(1), (c) any holiday pay… (d) any basic award of compensation for unfair dismissal or so much of an award under a designated dismissal procedures agreement as does not exceed any basic award of compensation for unfair dismissal to which the employee would be entitled but for the agreement, and (e) any reasonable sum by way of reimbursement… of the … premium paid by an apprentice or articled clerk"
"21. That is plainly a powerful argument. However, we are persuaded that section 184 (I)(a) cannot be so construed. The answer lies rather in looking at the rest of section 184. The statutory provisions are all separately dealt with under section 184(2); and all those amounts are to be, by express statutory definition, treated as arrears of pay, but that is simply because they are expressly so treated. We thus set aside section 184(2) and concentrate on section 184(I). By paragraph (b) a payment due to an employee in respect of a period he has not worked, but which was in fact his contractual notice period, is expressly brought into the legislation and defined as a relevant debt. It is not defined as arrears of pay under paragraph (a), but it is to be a recoverable debt. Mr Lumsden says that that is correct, because it is not arrears of pay, and would thus not come within paragraph (a), but would be effectively a damages claim, and the fact that it is payment to an employee for not working does not make it analogous with a payment for not working under clause II when the employee is laid off. But he has a more difficult task in explaining the presence in section 184(I) of paragraph (c). That is a provision whereby a payment to an employee for not working, because he is on holiday, is expressly provided to be a debt; and, although we suggested to Mr Lumsden that he might seek to argue that section 184(I)(c) is simply declaratory of what is already included in subsection 184(I)(a), so rendering the definition or the inclusion of holiday pay superfluous and redundant, but not thus affecting the definition in section 184(I)(a), it appears to us that that is not an argument that can stand up here. It is clear that the paragraphs in section 184(I) are not intended to be declaratory or explanatory of section 184(I)(a); they are intended to be items which would not have been included but for their express inclusion. "Arrears of pay" is, therefore, not intended to include holiday pay. Mr Lumsden sought to say that in some circumstances holiday pay might be forward looking, and thus might need to be expressly provided for in those circumstances, because it would not fall within the definition of the word "arrears", but that is, I am afraid, not supportable in this case, because it is only arrears of holiday pay which is claimable by the employee in any event, by virtue of section 184(I)(c) and section 184(3) taken together, including, of course, arrears of accrued entitlement to holiday pay."
"5 (1) Unless Member States provide otherwise, Articles 3 and 4 shall not apply to any transfer of an undertaking, business or part of an undertaking or business where the transferor is the subject of bankruptcy proceedings or any analogous insolvency proceedings which have been instituted with a view to the liquidation of the assets of the transferor and are under the supervision of a competent public authority (which may be an insolvency practitioner authorised by a competent public authority).
"(1) If at the time of a relevant transfer the transferor is subject to relevant insolvency proceedings paragraphs (2) to (6) apply.
"15. Regulation 8 therefore aims to relieve transferees of the burdens which would otherwise apply in certain defined circumstances.
'This Part applies to the following debts'
"any claim in respect of the contravention of a term modified or included by virtue of an equality clause, including a claim for arrears of remuneration… in respect of the contravention."
"Two features of s.1 of the 1970 Act need to be noted, although they are not controversial:
"Foot note 5: Strictly it is the date of the award – which recognises, and for practical as opposed to theoretical purposes creates, a right to payment of the arrears to F1 – which triggers M1's entitlement, not the date of payment: but in principle payment of the amount awarded should follow forthwith, and we refer to payment and award as synonymous."
"57. Thus in general terms the Part XII regime bestows various rights on an employee should his or her employer become formally insolvent. One of these rights is that the employee may obtain payment of certain "guaranteed debts" from the National Insurance Fund, i.e. the Secretary of State. In general, the scheme applies only to certain, identified debts as set out in the relevant sections. There is no right to protection in respect of claims which have not been made at the date of the insolvency and which therefore have not given rise to a debt of the relevant kind."
"plainly proceeds on the basis that a balance requires to be struck between [the interests of the workers generally] and the rights of individuals prejudiced by a transfer by an insolvent transferor. It is for that reason that it maintains the distinction… between liquidation proceedings on the one hand and other forms of insolvency proceedings on the other. In the case of the former, Articles 3 and 4 are simply disapplied, so that any disincentive to rescue (at least on this account) disappears altogether; whereas in the case of the latter the disincentives to rescue are only mitigated, by the derogations permitted by Article 5(2)… Those derogations… go a considerable way to diminishing the disincentives to rescue. But the Directive chooses not to allow the rights of the employees to be trumped altogether."