“Were the claimants dismissed, when were they dismissed, and were they dismissed for a reason connected with the transfer?”
“17. On 17 th November 2009, the claimants attended work as normal at 8:00am. Some of the claimants commenced work on jobs that had already been issued to them, but all were called back to the depot for a meeting in the mid to late morning at which they were told by Mr Bennett, Contracts Manager for QPSL, that there was no money or work; that QPSL was going under and that their jobs were at an end.”
“We had no evidence from Mr Bennett as to what exactly he said or what he intended by what he said. The claimants’ evidence as to what exactly was said about their jobs varied. Some said that they were told they were redundant, some said that they were told they were going to be redundant and some said they were simply told that QPSL had gone bust. Mr Wenban’s evidence [he was one of the Claimants] was that they were told in the afternoon of the 17 November not to take any more emergency calls and that QPSL had gone bust. Nevertheless he returned the following day as he ‘hoped the matter would be sorted out’. He said there were lots of negotiations going on involving Mr Bennett and there was a hope that their jobs would be saved. Although a number of claimants accepted under cross-examination that they understood that their work was at an end there does appear to have been some confusion as to the effect of their employer’s insolvency on their employment. Some of the claimants stayed at the depot for the rest of the day and some returned the following day to await events. In the afternoon they were told by the Council not to carry out any further emergency work and on the 18 November the locks were changed at the depot and those who had returned that day were told to leave the premises. 18. On19 November 2009 the QPSL administrators sent out letters to all employees of QPSL dismissing those employees whose employment had not already transferred to other employers under the TUPE Regulations. The letter stated that the dismissals were effective from the17 November 2009 notwithstanding that the date of the notification was19 December 2009 . One of the claimants produced his copy of this letter to the Tribunal and I found that that the letter had been sent to all the claimants. 19. In an email dated8 December 2009 from Mr Paterson of Deloitte’s, one of the subsequently appointed adminstrators, he informed the Council that:- “Notifications of redundancy were made by telephone on 18 th November once the administrators had conducted a brief review of the business. Given the number of employees, these notifications were made to contract managers to be passed on.” 20. It was submitted by the Council and JWL that the date in Mr Paterson’s email of 18 th November was an error and that it should have said the 17 th November. It was not disputed that the claimants had not been informed on the 18 th November of the termination of their employment. However, it was also clear that Mr Bennett’s communication to the claimants on the 17 th November came from QPSL and not from the administrators who had not been appointed at the time that Mr Bennett spoke to the claimants. Prior to the administrators’ appointment they would not have had the authority to instruct Mr Bennett to dismiss employees. 21. In the absence of any direct evidence from Mr Bennett or from QPSL I was not satisfied that Mr Bennett had given unequivocal notice of dismissal to the claimants on the17 November 2009 . The claimants’ accounts of what was said differed and on balance I concluded that the situation would have been unclear to all including Mr Bennett. Some of the claimants stayed on after they had been told that the company had gone bust and later in the afternoon the Council confirmed that they should not do any more emergency work. The situation was fluid and the claimants hoped that their jobs might be saved.”
“53. The next issue that I had to determine was when the claimants’ dismissals took effect. The claimants and the Secretary of State contended that the claimants’ dismissals would not have been effected until they received notification from the administrator [emphasis added] on the21 November 2009 by letter dated19 November 2009 . The Council and JWL contended that the claimants’ dismissals were effected by Mr Bennett on the morning of the17 November 2009 . 54. I concluded on the facts found that Mr Bennett’s communication to the claimants on the morning of the17 November 2009 did not amount to unambiguous words of dismissal. The claimants were left in a state of some confusion as to what the impact on them would be. I was not satisfied that Mr Bennett acted with the authority of the administrators as they were not appointed at the time that he spoke to the claimants. The claimants were not taken on by JWL even though JWL took on the activities in the afternoon of the17 November 2009 . … On the basis of my conclusions that there had been a relevant transfer on the17 November 2009 , the claimants would by that time have been the employees of JWL by operation of law, and not of QPSL. I concluded that the claimants would have understood that their employment had been terminated on receipt of formal notification of dismissal from the administrators in their letter dated19 November 2013 and received by the claimants on 21 st November 2009. [the reference to 2009 is presumably an error; it should be 2013] Although the letter stated that the notice of dismissal only applied to employees whose employment had not transferred to another company, the claimants had not been taken on by JWL, and in the absence of any indication to the contrary would have understood from that letter that they were dismissed.”
“… A new point ought only to be permitted to be raised in exceptional circumstances … If the new issue goes to the jurisdiction of the Employment Appeal Tribunal below, that may be an exceptional circumstance, but only, in my judgment, if the issue raised is a discrete one of pure or hard edged law requiring no or no further factual inquiry. …”