"Simply chose not to research the financial implications. He did not wish to depart from the roster and wanted all employees wherever possible and regardless of their abilities to work rostered shifts."
"5.37 What is clear is that the new shifts were being proposed solely to assist the Respondent by moving the Claimant to the current rostered shifts and away from his fixed permanent shifts which had previously been agreed. The Respondent's motivation was that it solely perceived the new shifts as better fulfilling its business needs and in no sense whatever were any 'adjustments' put forward to improve the Claimant's position. However, the Respondents clearly took the view that the Claimant could undertake limited shift work within the confines of not doing 'extreme' early or late shifts."
"5.40 … At no point in this meeting did the Respondent identify to the Claimant what step the procedure had reached. The Claimant was told that the company would not, what it described as 'go above numbers,' to accommodate the Claimant's shifts. He was told there was no job at Green Park during the hours he was currently working and that he would not be allowed to carry on doing what he was doing. He was told it was having a detrimental effect on his colleagues. Mr Jukes mentioned that there may be similar positions at Shepherds Bush and Barkingside. The Claimant confirmed that he would go if 'push came to shove'. That said he confirmed there was no point in thinking about it if there was no position. No specific position was ever identified and Mr Jukes suggested that they consider a part time post but again no specific vacancies were identified. The Claimant said he could not afford to work part time in any event. The Claimant was told that the only other option was redeployment and Mr Jukes acknowledged that the Claimant did not wish to go down that route. The Claimant confirmed he did not want redeployment as he would have to find a job himself."
"5.41 Mr Jukes did not suggest to the Claimant that the Claimant would not have to look for the jobs himself. The Claimant believed that he would have to attend interviews. The Respondent did not do anything to suggest otherwise. The Claimant was told that if he was not successful with redeployment the Respondent would look at medical termination."
"5.77 … In reaching his decision he relied on a number of specific points and further gave an explanation as to what he considered to be medical grounds. He relied on the following conclusions: Mr Jukes decision to revise the shifts in March had been in keeping with the business needs and he felt this was a reasonable decision as there was a strong case for previous shift pattern not meeting business needs. Mr Oduola did not seek any specific clarification on these matters from senior management. Since the implementation of the new shift pattern the Claimant had only worked 23 shifts. He asserted that this was a reasonable adjustment which had not improved the Claimant's attendance. He concluded Mr Jukes had offered the Claimant several opportunities to discuss the situation and had been flexible about dates. He further concluded that the Claimant had not engaged in the process. He asserted Mr Jukes' decision to refer the Claimant to redeployment had been correct and might have been an opportunity to find the Claimant a position which better met his need to work regular hours. He said the Claimant had stated redeployment was not a suitable option. He did not specifically comment on the reason for this. He referred to the possibility of part time work and noted the Claimant had indicated this was not suitable financially. He stated Mr Dukes (sic) had looked at the Claimant working at different locations nearer his home. He noted that Interferon can trigger allergic reactions which could impact on the Claimant's attendance. He noted the Claimant suffered 2 conditions, diabetes and multiple sclerosis and that he had been signed off for a further 2 months. He noted the Claimant's mobility issues and he could not walk more than 100 metres which caused difficulties at work. The medical restrictions imposed would remain for the foreseeable future. Further, there were elements of the Claimant's role which he could not undertake particularly gateline duties. 5.78 Mr Oduola then went on to summarise the reasons for termination on medical grounds as follows: Mr Jukes had tried to make reasonable adjustments to accommodate the Claimant's medical condition but the Claimant had remained sick. The Claimant had not engaged in any meaningful manner in the attendance at work procedure. He had not attended case conferences. He was concerned over the sustainability of any return to work. He was concerned by the impact on the business. He was certain there were no further reasonable adjustments that could be made with which the business could cope as the impact on the service delivery and customer service would be too great. 5.79 During his evidence Mr Oduola stated that at the time of the case conference he was satisfied the Respondent had been keeping the Claimant in his current job by carrying out reasonable adjustments which had not been successful. He was satisfied that the Respondent explored the possibility of work at other locations doing the SAMF role. He was satisfied that this was not a possibility and he considered whether the Claimant could remain in full time work at London Underground. He considered whether his requirements could be accommodated with restrictions. He though that the matter could be considered in redeployment. He then went on to confirm that he took account of the fact that the Claimant had been off sick since March and he presented a further sick note for 2 months. 5.80 Mr Oduola took the view that the Claimant would not be able to return to work and sustain attendance despite the LUOH report. He based his opinion, which on the face of it was contrary to the medical evidence, on the Claimant producing a sick certificate for 2 months. He did not refer the Claimant back to LUOH to consider this. 5.81 He was aware the Claimant's sickness absence record in the 3 years prior to 2007 where his absence was 21 days in 2004, 28 days in 2005, 15 days in 2006. It was agreed in evidence that this is an average of 21 days per annum. It was agreed that this was the level of absence envisaged by the LUOH report. Mr Oduola stated that the impact on business needs and particularly on service delivery related to overtime payments and on occasions the ticket window would be closed. He considered this was not sustainable. He said the business could not continue to accommodate this on a regular basis. 5.82 In his evidence Mr Burnett who was ultimately Mr Jukes' Manager conceded that the Respondent could cope with an average of 21 days per annum. Mr Oduola did not consult Mr Burnett. Mr Oduola did not seek clarification as to what the actual financial impact would be. Mr Jukes did not consult with reserve staff nor did Mr Oduola. Mr Jukes did not consult as part of his original consideration for changing the Claimant's shift pattern. He stated the reserve staff would have to do more extreme early and late shifts. In fact by changing the Claimant's shifts so that he did some of the shifts covered by reserve staff the effect of the change would be to put more pressure on the existing reserve staff and do extreme shifts and not less. 5.83 Mr Oduola was unable to say how many times the ticket window had closed in the 3 years prior to 2007. Mr Oduola conceded that returning the Claimant to permanent fixed shifts of 08.00 – 16.00 may have removed the stress referred to in the LUOH report and this could have improved attendance. Mr Oduola did not believe that an adjustment could be made to the redeployment procedure such that the Claimant would not have to go through interview. Mr Oduola did not seek specific confirmation of what positions were available, further he did not identify the step of the procedure in which he was involved. He did not specifically refer to the procedure during his findings."
"5.88 Mr Burnett upheld Mr Oduola's decision to terminate the Claimant's employment describing it as a perfectly reasonable decision to take. Mr Burnett said there had been a fair procedure followed. He acknowledged his duties to consider reasonable adjustments but said that it was not limitless and concluded by saying 'we spent a long time over a long period trying to accommodate you but you left us no option but to terminate your employment.' 5.89 Mr Burnett did not refer specifically to the various company procedures including the attendance at work support pack. Mr Burnett did not reconsider the adjustments made in 2007 and did not consider Mr Jukes assertion that the reason was to reduce the number of extreme shifts for other reserve staff. He asserted that there was an impact on service delivery needs. There was no attempt to analyse this in any objective manner. Mr Burnett did not consider seeking extra funding. He did not consider it a viable option to continue with the shift system existing prior to March 2006. Mr Burnett asserted that the Claimant had not engaged with the redeployment process but does not appear to have considered the matter further. In particular he did not consider identifying any reasonable adjustments which could be made to the redeployment process. Mr Burnett asserted that Mr Jukes had been right to consider asking the Claimant to be more flexible and to explore reasonable adjustments which could better meet the business needs. 5.90 Mr Burnett noted the Claimant had reacted very badly to the small variation in duties put in place in March 2007. Mr Burnett confirmed that in view of the report of9 October 2007 he was concerned about the Claimant's ability to sustain a return to work even with reasonable adjustments in place. He also noted the Claimant had been signed off for a further 2 months. 5.91 Mr Burnett ruled out consideration of whether a role near the Claimant's home could be an option. He stated in view of the above restrictions in attendance pattern he did not feel that this was reasonable. There appears to have been little or no attempt at all to investigate this matter critically. He did not consider what reasonable adjustments might be made to the redeployment process itself. The appeal decision was sent to the Claimant by letter of14 December 2007 ."
"7.12 The Claimant was taking Interferon and this could trigger an allergic reaction which could impact on the Claimant's attendance. 7.13 There is a direct reference to the fact that he suffers from diabetes and multiple sclerosis and has been signed off for a further 2 months. 7.14 There is no attempt to obtain a further medical report despite the fact that the only medical report Mr Oduola had available clearly indicated the Claimant could return to work. Mr Oduola effectively ignored this report. Instead of accepting the report or getting further medical evidence to address any doubts Mr Oduola at least in part substituted his own view. We are not satisfied that assumptions would have been made about a non-disabled person in the way they appear to be made about the Claimant and we can draw an inference from this matter. 7.15 There is an assertion that the attendance pattern, which was agreed as an average of 21 days absence, was not sustainable. This was contradicted by the Respondent's evidence before us where it was agreed that it was sustainable. We can infer from this that a non-disabled person would not have been treated in the same manner which is effectively a failure to actively consider the true business needs and sustainability of the absence. Here the Respondent has simply proceeded on assumptions and it is reasonable to draw an inference from that. 7.16 There is a reference to the Claimant having mobility issues, particularly not being able to walk more than 100 metres. The reasons given for dismissal say these causes difficulties, it is not clear why this has been included and again an adverse inference can be drawn from this. 7.17 There is also reference in the decision to dismiss to the fact that if the Claimant returned, his medical restrictions would remain for the foreseeable future. The implication is that the Respondent objected to the medical restrictions. This is something which would not have applied to a non-disabled comparator and it is reasonable to infer that it was therefore the mobility restriction arising out of the disability which influenced the treatment. This would not have applied to the non-disabled comparator. 7.18 There is also reference to concern about the sustainability of a return. This is despite the fact that the Respondent's own medical evidence contradicts this. It is reasonable to infer that assumptions of the same nature would not have been made about a non-disabled comparator."
"7.20 We next turn to consider whether the Respondent has shown that the Claimant has not been treated less favourably than the comparator having regard to any reason advanced. We must consider whether the Respondent has put forward an explanation for the treatment which proves it did not act in the discriminatory manner. Here we find that there is no adequate explanation which has been put forward. It follows that the primary case of disability related discrimination succeeds."
"2.8 The Claimant relied upon specific reasonable adjustments as follows: 2.8.1. The Claimant should have been allowed to maintain his original agreed hours of 0.800 – 16.00 Monday to Friday. 2.8.2. The Respondent should have accepted a higher level of sickness absence from the Claimant than someone without multiple sclerosis. 2.8.3. The Respondent should have allowed him to return to the pre-March 2007 shift pattern for a trial period prior to dismissing him. 2.8.4. The Respondent should have allowed a further attempt at redeployment following the trial period. 2.8.5. The redeployment process should have been adjusted to assist the Claimant by placing him in an existing vacancy without the need for interviews including the possibility of the vacancy at Shepherds Bush."
"7.28 Adjustment 1 – this adjustment was working his previously agreed shifts 8.00 – 16.00. These had been shifts which had been accommodated by the Respondent for a number of years. Further the Respondent had accommodated these shifts during a time when the new schematic had been implemented. The only reason the shifts were changed was so that the Claimant better fitted into the Respondent's schematic. They were not changed in any sense whatsoever to benefit the Claimant. The Claimant had maintained an acceptable level of attendance whilst working those shifts such that he was not exposed to the absence procedure. 7.29 In considering whether this would have been a reasonable adjustment we have regard to Section 18B of the DDA. We note the following. The adjustment may have prevented the Claimant taking time off work and thus he would not have been exposed to dismissal. The shifts requested were practical as they had previously been carried out. The Respondent has produced no evidence to show that the financial costs incurred would have been significant. We are not satisfied that there would have been significant disruption to the Respondent's activities. In reaching this conclusion we have regard to the fact that the shift was still available when the other shifts were not available to the Claimant. It was the default shift. 7.30 The change of shift clearly produced an enormous stress on the Claimant which contributed to his absence. There is considerable flexibility in the way the Respondent can organize its activity. Further altering shifts is envisaged by the Respondent's own procedure. Transferring some of the Claimant's duties to others is also supported by the guidance contained in the act. 7.31 For the reasons we have set out we are satisfied that this would have been a reasonable adjustment. Reintroducing the shift may have reduced stress and allowed the claimant to continue as he had previously shown that he could. 7.32 Adjustment 2 – being given a trial period in respect of shifts agreed in March 2007. We are satisfied that a trial period would have been appropriate. Here the adjustment would have been to see if the Claimant could cope with a new changed pattern imposed in no sense whatsoever to assist the Claimant. This in our view is different to a trial period for an adjustment designed to assist the claimant. In the case of an adjustment to assist the claimant, the focus would be on the adjustment under trial and the trial period would not be an adjustment in itself. This case can be distinguished as what was being imposed, being the change in shifts, was something for the benefit of the Respondent and not an adjustment for the benefit of the Claimant. 7.33 In reaching this conclusion we take the view that Mr Jukes in fact indicated that the matter would be kept under review. The fact is that the Claimant never worked any new shifts. He clearly felt stressed simply because of the way in which there had been requested to change his shifts. Had the Claimant actually started working the shifts we are satisfied it would have been reviewed and to that extent it would have been a reasonable adjustment as this is effectively admitted by the Respondent. 7.34 Adjustment 3 – tolerating a higher level of sickness absence than for a non-disabled employee. It was the Respondent's evidence that the sickness level, as envisaged by its own occupational health report, being an average of 21 days per year was an absence level which could be sustained and tolerated. It follows that it was the Respondent's evidence that this would have been a reasonable adjustment to make. We would observe that in general there is no obligation as such for employers to ignore disability related absences. However, we conclude that in this case having regard to all the factors outlined in Section 18B in particular the size and resource of the Respondent and further having regard to the Respondent's own evidence it would have been a sustainable adjustment. We find that on the evidence of the Respondent in this case that this would have been a reasonable adjustment. 7.35 Adjustment 4 – offering the Claimant a further period of redeployment. In considering this we are concerned by the way the Respondent's has operated its own procedure. We have found that it would have been a reasonable adjustment to allow the Claimant to return to his original shifts. With this in mind it is clear that the Respondent has failed to consider a reasonable adjustment under step 1 of its own procedure. Under step 1 it would have been appropriate to consider the shift change. There were a number of reasons why this did not happen. Extra funding was requested but this was rejected out of hand by Mr Burnett. Consideration was given to the effect of other staff by Mr Jukes, however, Mr Jukes failed to enquire of those staff. Had he done so he would have been told that the shift changes made in March 2007 actually put more pressure on the reserve staff by removing a number of shifts that they would otherwise have done. 7.36 Step 2 is not reached until reasonable adjustments cannot be made or any reasonable adjustments which are made do not improve attendance. Here reasonable adjustments could have been made having regard to the history of the case they would in all likelihood have improved his attendance by removing stress. This is the very stress referred to in the Respondent's own occupational health report obtained in October. 7.37 The alternative envisaged by the procedure is that occupational health confirm the employee is no longer able to do his or her job for medical reasons. This did not apply. In those circumstances step 2 was never reached. Even if step 2 had been reached if the employee wished to stay in employment, as the Claimant did the Respondent must seek advice from LUOH regarding the employee's ability to do an alternative job. This did not occur and in any event the Respondent had not reached that stage of its procedure. Instead the Respondent proceeded on the wrong assumption that adjustments made by Mr Jukes were made to improve the Claimant's attendance, that was clearly not the case. The adjustment made by Mr Jukes inevitably put more pressure on the Claimant by removing the regularity of his shifts, the need for regularity which was something that was envisaged by occupational health itself. Given that the redeployment should not have been reached offering a further period would have been a reasonable adjustment. 7.38 Adjustment 5 – adjusting the redeployment process so that the Claimant would not have to attend interviews and seek work himself. The Respondent's evidence on this matter was confused. We find that the Claimant was never told prior to his dismissal that he would not have to go through a competitive interview or that he would not have to find a job himself. In our view it would have been reasonable to make adjustments to the redeployment process. Indeed these adjustments appear to be envisaged by the attendance policy itself. The policy at step 2 R1/58 refers to the Respondent actively pursuing suitable alternative employment. Having regard to the guidance given in Archibald it would have been a reasonable adjustment to place the Claimant in suitable alternative employment without requiring a competitive interview. Further it would have been reasonable to actively identify employment for him. The Respondent has advanced no convincing case to suggest that this could not have been reasonable adjustment. 7.39 In reviewing this case we have regard to Section 18B. The evidence as it was before the Tribunal indicated that there may have been a number of suitable positions. It would have been entirely practicable to take the step. It would not have incurred significant financial or other costs and certainly that has not been argued by the Respondent. Had suitable alternative employment been found, and there was clearly a possibility of this, it would have prevented the dismissal."
"7.40 We now consider whether the dismissal was justified in that the reason was material to the circumstances of the particular case and was substantial. In considering justification we have to consider whether dismissal would have been justified even had the reasonable adjustments identified above been made. This would include particularly returning him to his original shifts and removing the stress of varied shifts. Had those reasonable adjustments been made we conclude on the balance of probabilities that the Claimant would have returned to his original shifts and would have in accordance with the Respondent's own medical evidence reverted to an average absence of 21 days per annum. This is sustainable. The Respondent would not have been dismissed. Given it is sustainable no reasonable employer would have dismissed and in that sense dismissal is outside the range of reasonable responses and we do not accept that the treatment can be justified in this case."
" 3A Meaning of 'discrimination' (1) For the purposes of this Part, a person discriminates against a disabled person if- (a) for a reason which relates to the disabled person's disability, he treats him less favourably than he treats or would treat others to whom that reason does not or would not apply, and (b) he cannot show that the treatment in question is justified. (2) For the purposes of this Part, a person also discriminates against a disabled person if he fails to comply with a duty to make reasonable adjustments imposed on him in relation to the disabled person (3) Treatment is justified for the purposes of subsection (1)(b) if, but only if, the reason for it is both material to the circumstances of the particular case and substantial. … (6) If, in a case falling within subsection (1), a person is under a duty to make reasonable adjustments in relation to a disabled person but fails to comply with that duty, his treatment of that person cannot be justified under subsection (3) unless it would have been justified even if he had complied with that duty. … 4A Employers: duty to make adjustments (1) Where- ( a ) a provision, criterion or practice applied by or on behalf of an employer, or ( b ) any physical feature of premises occupied by the employer, places the disabled person concerned at a substantial disadvantage in comparison with persons who are not disabled, it is the duty of the employer to take such steps as it is reasonable, in all the circumstances of the case, for him to have to take in order to prevent the provision, criterion or practice, or feature, having that effect. … 18B Reasonable adjustments; supplementary (1) In determining whether it is reasonable for a person to have to take a particular step in order to comply with a duty to make reasonable adjustments, regard shall be had, in particular, to- ( a ) the extent to which taking the step would prevent the effect in relation to which the duty is imposed; ( b ) the extent to which it is practicable for him to take the step; ( c ) the financial and other costs which would be incurred by him in taking the step and the extent to which taking it would disrupt any of is activities; ( d ) the extent of his financial and other resources; ( e ) the availability to him of financial or other assistance with respect to taking the step; ( f ) the nature of his activities and the size of his undertaking; ( g ) where the step would be taken in relation to a private household, the extent to which taking it would- (i) disrupt that household, or (ii) disturb any person residing there. (2) The following are examples of steps which a person may need to take in relation to a disabled person in order to comply with a duty to make reasonable adjustments- ( a ) making adjustments to premises; ( b ) allocating some of the disabled person's duties to another person; ( c ) transferring him to fill an existing vacancy; ( d ) altering his hours of working or training; ( e ) assigning him to a different place of work or training; ( f ) allowing him to be absent during working or training hours for rehabilitation, assessment or treatment; ( g ) giving, or arranging for, training or mentoring (whether for the disabled person or any other person); ( h ) acquiring or modifying equipment; ( i ) modifying instructions or reference manuals; ( j ) modifying procedures for testing or assessment; ( k ) providing a reader or interpreter; ( l ) providing supervision or other support. … 17A Enforcement, remedies and procedure … (1C) Where, on the hearing of a complaint under subsection(1), the complainant proves facts from which the tribunal could, apart from this subsection, conclude in the absence of an adequate explanation that the respondent has acted in a way which is unlawful under this Part, the tribunal shall uphold the complaint unless the respondent proves that he did not so act."
"Q. Impact of RTA. If someone not disabled had RTA – not through redeployment if fit for work. A. I remember. Q. If non disabled person – not? A. I would consider redeployment."
"Mr Grant If you were concerned with a non-disabled person who was not fit for work, would you have put him through the same process. Mr Oduola probably, yes."
"There still seems to be much confusion created by the decision in Igen[2005] ICR 931 . What must be borne in mind by a tribunal faced with a race claim is that ultimately the issue is whether or not the employer has committed an act of race discrimination. The shifting in the burden of proof simply recognises the fact that there are problems of proof facing an employee which it would be very difficult to overcome if the employee had at all stages to satisfy the tribunal on the balance of probabilities that certain treatment had been by reason of race."
"33. The essential finding of fact is clearly stated, and repeated, in paragraph 6 of the employment tribunal's decision and on the evidence was entirely justified. By September 2002, the respondent had been absent from work for over a year and this had followed a poor attendance record during the first six months of employment. Two extensions of the probationary period had been granted. In January 2002, return to work in 6 to 8 weeks was contemplated. The respondent had still not returned to work by September 2002 and the prognosis on 22 August was that the respondent should be able to return, on a part-time basis, in '3/6 months'. A sick note covering four weeks from10 September 2002 was submitted. The respondent had been kept informed of the position and interviewed. 34. In those circumstances, the tribunal were entitled to conclude that it was reasonable for the appellants not to pursue the possibility of a phased return to part-time work until the respondent could indicate a definite date for her return to work for any period of time. The tribunal noted that all material times the respondent was medically certified as unfit to return to work."
"7.70 We next consider the question of contribution. Whilst we note the Claimant would not always attend meetings. It is clear that his primary difficulty was with Mr Jukes and he offered to attend meetings with people who were not Mr Jukes. Given the way he had been treated by Mr Jukes that was perfectly understandable. It follows that we do not accept that the Claimant contributed to his dismissal. 7.71 We also consider the operation of Polkey. Had the Respondent implemented the reasonable adjustments we have referred to above, we believe on the balance of probabilities the Claimant would have been accommodated, his stress would have been reduced and his attendance would have improved to a level which the Respondent said was acceptable to it. We therefore decline to make a Polkey deduction and we take the view that the Claimant would have remained employed."
"7.43 There is an exception which is Regulation 6(5). This provides neither of the grievance procedures apply where the grievance is that the employer has dismissed or is contemplating dismissing the employee. Dismissal is contemplated under Section 4 of DDA. It is unlawful for an employer to discriminate against a disabled person by dismissing him or subjecting him to any other detriment. The duty to make reasonable adjustments is set out separately at Section 4A. failure to make reasonable adjustments is discrimination under Section 3A(2). 7.44 The complaint here is a failure to make reasonable adjustments and that failure arises out of a provision, criterion or practice which has a substantial adverse effect. The effect is dismissal. The breach is a failure to make adjustments to prevent a provision, criterion or practice having that effect. Therefore the breach occurs before the dismissal. The complaint, as it relates to section 3A(2) is about a breach of a duty not about the effect of the breach. The fact that the breach means the claimant is subject to the substantial adverse effect of dismissal arising out of the provision criterion or practice does not, in our view, assist the claimant. 7.45 If this were otherwise it would be possible to argue that it would be reasonable to make an adjustment to simply remove the substantial disadvantage being dismissal. We do not believe that this is an argument open to the Claimant. The reasonable adjustment must operate on the provision, criterion of the practice to prevent the result which is dismissal. Here the Claimant seeks to base a stand alone claim on the result of the breach and not the breach itself. This can be contrasted, to for example, the position in direct sex discrimination where the act of discrimination could be the actual dismissal. It follows that the stand alone claim for reasonable adjustment fails. 7.46 We would add that under regulation 6 (5) it is clear that neither of the grievance procedures applies if the grievance is that the employer has dismissed or is contemplating dismissing the employee. Here we do not consider that the grievance is the dismissal or its contemplation it is breach of the duty to make reasonable adjustments so that he is not exposed to the substantial disadvantage. We do not think that it assists the Claimant that the ultimate disadvantage is dismissal although we can see how the alternative may be argued. We note that neither party has drawn our attention to any case that may assist on this point. 7.47 If we were wrong about this the claim for reasonable adjustment is put in exactly the same way as we have considered under disability related discrimination and would inevitably succeed."
"7.51 We are satisfied that step 1 of the procedure was complied with. There are a number of letters which alert the Claimant to the fact that there is a meeting where his employment may be terminated for instance there is a letter of3 October 2007 and we do not need to consider this matter further. We are satisfied that those letters are sufficient and the hurdle in the first instance is set at a low level. 7.52 The question is whether the Respondent complied with step 2. As we understand it the Claimant is not alleging that there was a failure to comply with the first step of the procedure. In order to comply with step 2 the meeting must not take place unless the employer has informed the employee what the basis was for including in the statement in the step 1 letter the ground or grounds given in it and that the employee has had reasonable opportunity to consider his response to that information. 7.53 Under step 2 the employer must inform the employee of the basis of the grounds given in the statement. The information does not have to be in writing, the basis for the ground is simply matters which have led the employer to contemplate dismissing. We remind ourselves that the Alexander case was concerned with redundancy. That does not apply here. Here the grounds are as we have set out. The Claimant had challenged the procedure through his union representative, he knew that he was off work as a result of illness, he knew the Respondent was purporting to follow its own procedure. He knew that he was on redeployment. He knew that they were contemplating dismissal because he was not rerunning to work. He knew that there was an issue with his health and his ability to return to work. He knew that they had concluded there would be no further reasonable adjustments. 7.54 We are satisfied that the Claimant knew the basis of the grounds such that he could challenge the contemplated dismissal. It follows that the statutory procedure has been complied with and the claim for automatic unfair dismissal fails."
"The meeting must not take place unless: (a) the employer has informed the employee what the basis was for including in the statement under paragraph 1(1) the ground or grounds given in it, and (b) the employee has had a reasonable opportunity to consider his response to that information."