"13 The claimants worked for the Company. The Company was to supply services to the Firm in order to enable the Firm to conduct personal injury claims (P1 claims). The idea for the Company was Mr Powell's. He set up the company and had a 25% interest in it. Mr Hinchcliffe put in£25,000 cash funding and also held a 25% interest. Mr Brooke and Mr Hardman, both partners in the Firm, had a 12.5% interest each. The final 25% was owned by Post Legal Protection Limited, an after event insurer. Its Director were Mr Bilhan, Mr Patel, Mr Kelly and Mr Cooper. The company worked from the Firm's premises with support staff. Mrs Hardman was the Firm's HR Manager and also dealt with the HR issues for the Company. The files were opened in the name of the Firm. The fee earners were held out as employees of the Firm in relation to using the Firm's letter heading and personal cards. Appraisals were carried out in the presence of Mr Brooke and Mrs Hardman. Further supervision, in order to meet the requirements of The Law Society, was carried out by the Firm on the Company's employees. 14 By September 2003 Mr Hardman recognised the Company was in financial difficulties. 15 At page 117 of bundle 2 the following words appear in the draft Minutes of a Company meeting dated 9 th September 2003:- "
"Conversation with Sue Hardman re contract of employment. Concern re continuous employment. Sue telephoned JB who had advised continuity was maintained due to transfer of the employment from Hardshelf Co 122 Ltd to John Hardman& Co. SH would do of a memo of the same or I can just make a note for my own records". 31 We accepted not only the existence of that note but also the truthfulness of its contents. 32 Mr Brooke admitted in evidence that the time of the dismissals on2 June 2004 he was advising the directors of the company differently from what he was telling the employees because he felt that he had to maintain ownership of the PI files. 33 Mr Brooke was concerned about one of two things occurring. Either that the claimants would move to other solicitors and then seek to transfer the files they had been working on to those solicitors or that the other directors of the company would seek to claim ownership of the files. 34 Mr Brooke was therefore at pains to make sure, as early as possible, and certainly in early June 2004 that the files were to remain not only under the control of the Firm but within the ownership of the Firm. In effect Mr Brooke was detailed by the Firm to make sure that the position with regard to the PI practice was safeguarded. 35 A file note from him dated 2 nd June 2004 reads in part:- "
"55 Mr Powell did not give evidence. However we did read his statement but put little weight on his statement as his evidence could not be challenged in cross-examination. We also noted that a witness order had been issued against Mr Powell yet he did not choose to attend to give evidence. 56 Before dealing with the reasons for our decision a note on credibility. Where there has been a conflict of evidence we have found in favour of the claimants' witnesses rather than the respondents for the following reasons. 57 We exclude Miss Eckersley from that comment. We believe Miss Eckersley gave truthful and fair testimony but her evidence could not take the matter much further. 58 We thought Elaine Fisher was a reliable witness. We accepted that she was vague in relation to some of the dates and times of events. She did not strike the Tribunal as someone who had come to the Tribunal with a particular agenda. Under strong cross-examination she was not shaken when challenged in relation to her conversation with Mr Brooke over the continuity of service and the document at page 371(C) nor in relation to the comment made to her by Mrs Hardman about not "having the conversation". 59 Both Mrs Hardman and Mr Brookes agreed that if the Tribunal accepted Miss Fisher's evidence their case was seriously damaged. 60 Mr Hardman, Mr Brooke and Mr Hardmans' evidence was self-serving. When Mr Hardman gave evidence he suggested he was forced into many actions by a strong willed Mr Powell. When he was challenged on certain issues his stock answer was that it was Mr Brooke who would deal with that in his evidence. For a professional man with many years' experience in running his own firm and a partner in another firm, he strove to suggest that he had little or no control over events as they unfolded. 61 We felt Mr Hardman was very much in control of the situation during June and July 2004. As a director of the Company he was the prime mover in attempting to solve the problems of the Company. It was he, for example, who went to see the Inland Revenue about the Company's debt. 62 Mr Brooke held himself out as a meticulous lawyer but was actually less than meticulous in dealing with this matter. He admitted some very unprofessional acts. For example, he accepted, when cross-examined, that he was advising co-shareholders in one way and the employees in another. He accepted that his role as a shareholder, a partner in the Firm and a solicitor advising a company compromised his position. He held himself out as an employment lawyer but the paperwork does not suggest he addressed the TUPE issue. When challenged on that point he said that TUPE was discussed all the time over the course of June and July 2004 yet there is no written record of that. 63 Mrs Hardman became agitated when challenged over her evidence. In particular she was unnecessarily persistent in seeking to persuade the Tribunal that her role as office manager should not be confused with her position as the wife of a partner of the Firm. She played down her HR role in the Company. Overall she came across as an unconvincing witness."
"64 Our primary view is that as early as September 2003 the Firm knew exactly what they would do if the Company went further into financial difficulties. The transfer took place on2 June 2004 and consequently the claimants were dismissed immediately prior to the transfer. During June Mr Powell did continue to work on the files but by that time it was the partners of the firm who had taken control. 65 The relationship between the Company and the Firm was always a close one. 66 Fee earners from the firm were working on the PI files in early June. The Firm saw the files as theirs from early June and that by keeping the support staff, the company was subsumed by the Firm. 67 The claimants were dismissed for a reason connected with the transfer and that the principle reason for the dismissal was the transfer (Regulation 8(1)). 68 If the transfer did not take place on2 June 2004 it certainly had taken place, even by Miss Woodward's own admission, sometime between 23 June and the middle of July. 69 We then needed to decide whether the reason for the dismissals was an ETO reason and consequently whether regulation 8(2) applied. 70 The firm put in place a complete department to run the PI files. They are still running those files and the Firm still has a PI Department. 71 This is not a situation where staff were dismissed in order to make the business viable or sellable (indeed the firm did not try to sell the PI practice). We were not presented with any evidence to suggest that the firm had made substantial economies because of the Company's own financial over commitment and we believe that Mr Hardman saw a way through the difficulties by allowing the Company to go under and then forming his own PI Department but this time run by the Firm. 72 In short the reason for the dismissal of these three claimants was because the undertaking was transferred. This was not an economic, technical or organisational reason which entailed changes in the workforce. 73 This is not analogous to a situation where the Company dismissed the employees in order to get best price for the business. 74 There is evidence that Mr Hardman and Mr Brooke thought that the three claimants were not particularly good at their job and were overpaid but the impression we gained was that they wanted to get their hands on the PI business and work with it in their way rather than in the way Mr Powell and the Company had been doing. 75 In all the circumstances, the three claimants have to be treated as unfairly dismissed because the principle reason for the dismissal was the transfer of the Company's business into the hands of the Firm and they were dismissed immediately prior to the transfer (Reg 5(1)). 76 We further find that no actions of the claimants in any way effected their dismissal. There should consequently be no reduction in compensation. 77 Finally, for completeness, we confirm there are no identified issues not determined. It was pleaded on behalf of the claimants that from the beginning they were employees of the firm on an implied contract and consequently never employed by the Company. For the avoidance of doubt we confirm that that was not this case and that the claimants win because the part of the undertaking employing them was transferred to the Firm and their dismissal was automatically unfair."
"(1) Except where objection is made under Paragraph 4(A) below, a relevant transfer shall not operate so as to terminate the contract of employment of any person employed by the transferee in the undertaking or part-transferred but any such contract which would otherwise have been terminated by the transfer shall have effect after the transfer as if it were originally made between the person so employed and the transferee. (2) Without prejudice to paragraph (1) above but subject to Paragraph 4(A) below, on the completion of the relevant transfer- "(a) All the transferor's right, powers, duties and liabilities under or in connection with any such contract shall be transferred by virtue of this Regulation to the transferee; and (b) Anything done before the transfer is completed by or in relation to the transferor in respect of that contract where a person employed under that undertaking or part shall be deemed to have been done by or in relation to the transferee. (3) Any reference in Paragraph (1) or (2) above to a person employed in an undertaking or part of one transferred by a relevant transfer is a reference to a person so employed immediately before the transfer, including, where the transfer is effected by a series of two or more transactions, the person so employed immediately before of those transactions."
"(1) Where before or after a relevant transfer, any employee of the transferor or transferee is dismissed, that employee shall be treated for the purposes of Part V of the 1978 Act and Articles 20 to 41 of the 1976 Order (unfair dismissal) as unfairly dismissed if the transfer or a reason connected with it is the reason or principal reason for his dismissal. (2) Where an economic, technical or organisational reason entailing changes in the workforce of either the transferor or the transferee before or after a relevant transfer is the reason or principal reason for dismissing an employee- (a) paragraph (1) above shall not apply to his dismissal; but (b) without prejudice to the application of Section 57(3) of the 1978 Act or Article 22(10) of the 1976 Order (test of fair dismissal) the dismissal shall for the purposes of section 57(1)(b) of that Act and Article 22(1)(b) of that Order (substantial reason for dismissal) be regarded as having been for a substantial reason of a kind such as to justify the dismissal of an employee holding the position which that employee held …"
"66 Fee earners from the firm were working on the PI files in early June. The Firm saw the files as theirs from early June and that by keeping the support staff, the company was subsumed by the Firm."
"Such an appeal would only to succeed for an overwhelming case is made out that the Employment Tribunal reached the decision which no reasonable Tribunal, on a proper appreciation of the evidence and the law, would have reached. Even in cases where the Appeal Tribunal has "grave doubts" about the decision of the Employment Tribunal, it must proceed with "great care": British Telecommunications Plc v Sheridan[1990] IRLR 27 paragraph 34."