"The respondent's belief was that Mr Pugh was claiming overtime for breaks worked when he had not, in fact, worked those breaks. Therefore, he was claiming pay to which he was not entitled. The respondent is quite clear; they considered this a corrupt practice. Mr Roberts, they contend, in signing those pay claims for Mr Pugh, was involved in a corrupt practice, or was at best negligent in the way that he ran the team or department and was thus failing in his responsibilities to management."
"definitely inadequate in the way it was carried out, including the process by which a lot of this information was not put fairly to the applicants before any final decisions were made as to whether they should be dismissed."
"However, no employer is bound to use that as mitigation if they have solid evidence of dishonesty before them. The problem is we do not consider the respondent did have solid enough evidence of dishonesty. Thus we can see why the applicants might say that, in this case."
"The applicants who gave evidence before us both impressed us as completely frank and reliable in their evidence. We can see how Mr Pugh that might have felt flustered and given a very poor account of himself as a witness, having seen him examined. This suggested that it might well have been how he conducted himself when challenged by management about this practice. He did not think particularly fast on his feet. He made apparent admissions without thinking them through carefully. We can see how his conduct when first challenged might have increased management's suspicions. We consider that if he had been more openly and sympathetically questioned about these practices a truer picture might have emerged."
"The problem was the way this was investigated. The form of the hearing was not conducive to bringing out the truth, and they were, in our view, unreasonable, despite the fact that many man hours were devoted to this process. We consider that management jumped to conclusions and never overcame the extremely bad initial impression caused by the apparently incriminating time sheets."
"Both applicants took issue with the disciplinary notes. We understand that Mr Roberts in his admissions of being "lax, blase, negligent" did not put it quite as bluntly as this. It is a matter of interpretation rather than strict fact. Accordingly we have the gravest misgivings about the reasons for the decision to dismiss him, based upon the attribution of these words and this apparent sense of guilt to him. Looked at, as we stated, in the cold light of day, the practice is not a good one and should certainly stop. But we find that it was indeed the practice."
"24. We are not overlooking the principle that it is not the function of this Tribunal to substitute its own view for that of the respondent. That said, however, we have to make some primary findings because the question of contributory conduct is, as always, at large. 25. We cannot find there is any contributory conduct in the circumstances of this case, nor in the circumstances do we consider it would be just and equitable to apply a deduction in respect of what was essentially a procedural error at the tail end of the appeal. That is because, in our view, had the applicants had an opportunity to cross-examine people who had been interviewed by management we think it would have made all the difference to the outcome. The applicants would not have been dismissed and this disreputable practice would have been stamped out. Some other way would have been found."
"The applicants who gave evidence before us both impressed us as completely frank and reliable in their evidence" at paragraph 19: "
"That is credible to us "
" it was not sufficient for the ET to "broad brush" the case or, indeed, air brush out this fundamental weakness in the Applicant's case. It was bound to deal with this point rather than express the somewhat Nelsonian view that it could not see any good reason why management should have concluded that Mr. Pugh did not work the hours that he claimed to have worked."