"1 Sex discrimination against women (1) A person discriminates against a woman in any circumstances relevant for the purposes of any provision of this Act if --- (b) he applies to her a requirement or condition which he applies or would apply equally to a man but --- (i) which is such that the proportion of women who can comply with it is considerably smaller than the proportion of men who can comply with it, and, (ii) which he cannot show to be justifiable irrespective of the sex of the person to whom it is applied, and (iii) which is to her detriment because she cannot comply with it. 5(3) A comparison of the cases of persons of different sex or marital status under section 1(1) or 3 (1) must be such that the relevant circumstances in the one case are the same, or not materially different, in the other. "
"It is anticipated that there will be a reduction in the premature wastage of experienced and capable officers ……………… "
"A part time officers duty roster for the 28 day period will be divided into the following categories: A duty day – a day within the "normal" duty week when the officer will be carrying out duty A free day ………. A rest day …….… The "normal" duty week will be defined as the cycle of duty allocated on the shift pattern which has been adopted by the district/department in which the officer is serving."
"Without seeing her, the district Commander, Supt Nelson, turned the application down. We are satisfied that the principal reason for turning the application down was that her duty pattern did not conform with the requirements of the Part-time Policy as set out above. Supt Nelson made clear in his evidence that he enforced this policy strictly. We consider his other reasons for rejecting the application as specious and do not accept their genuineness. Even though she was not fully qualified he knew that she could start in the job subject to a tutorship basis. We also consider his suggestion that the "hours" available were not a "vacancy" was obtuse and obstructive."
"22 The respondent's contention is that the requirement is justifiable unders.1(1)(b)(ii) Sex Discrimination Act 1975 . This contention is undermined by the fact that the condition at issue has been removed from the new draft policy, which was already in preparation in March 1999 and was disseminated in November 1999 (though it has not yet been formally approved). The contention is further undermined by the fact that it has not been strictly applied in all areas. In particular in the neighbouring Somerset East district there are a number of officers who have entered into part-time agreements which do not comply with this requirement. We accept, however that this is not an absolute answer. 23 The basis on which we assess justification is that set out in the judgment of Balcombe L J in the Court of Appeal in Hampson v Dept of Education(1989) IRLR 69 :- "
"23 I accept the submissions of Mr Allen. In my view, there is a dual statutory purpose underlying the provisions of s.1(1)(b) and in particular the necessity under subparagraph (i) to show that the proportion of women who can comply with a given requirement or condition is 'considerably smaller' than the proportion of men who can comply with it. The first is to prescribe as the threshold for intervention a situation in which there exists a substantial and not merely marginal discriminatory effect (disparate impact) as between men and women, so that it can be clearly demonstrated that a prima facie case of (indirect) discrimination exists, sufficient to require the employer to justify the application of the condition or requirement in question: see subparagraph (ii). The second is to ensure that a tribunal charged with deciding whether or not the requirement is discriminatory may be confident that its disparate impact is inherent in the application of the requirement or condition and is not simply the product of unreliable statistics or fortuitous circumstances. Since the disparate impact question will require to be resolved in an infinite number of different employment situations, well but by no means comprehensively exemplified in the arguments of Mr Allen, an area of flexibility (or margin of appreciation), is necessarily applicable to the question of whether a particular percentage is to be regarded as 'substantially smaller' in any given case 24 The first or preliminary matter to be considered by the tribunal is the identification of the appropriate pool within which the exercise of comparison is to be performed. Selection of the wrong pool will invalidate the exercise ; see, for instance, Edwards (No1) and Jones v University of Manchester(1993) IRLR 218 , and cf the judgment of Stephenson LJ in Perera v Civil Service (No 2)(1983) IRLR 166 at 170, 26-27 in the context of racial discrimination. The identity of the appropriate pool will depend upon identifying that sector of the relevant workforce which is affected or potentially affected by the application of the particular requirement or condition in question and the context or circumstances in which it is sought to be applied. In this case, the pool was all those members of the LU workforce namely train operators, to whom the new rostering arrangements were to be applied (see paragraph 3 above). It did not include all LU employees. Nor did the pool extend to include the wider field of potential new applicants to LU for a job as a train operator. That is because the discrimination complained of was the requirement for existing employees to enter into a new contract embodying the rostering arrangement; it was not a complaint brought by an applicant from outside complaining about the terms of the job applied for. There has been no dispute between the parties to this appeal on that score. However, Mr Bean has placed emphasis on the restricted nature of the pool when asserting that the industrial tribunal were not entitled to look outside it in any respect. Thus he submitted they should not have taken into account, as it apparently did, its own knowledge and experience, or the broad national 'statistic' that the ratio of single parents having care of a child is some 10:1 as between women and men. 25 In my view, Mr Bean was incorrect in that last respect . An industrial tribunal does not sit in blinkers. Its members are selected in order to have a degree of knowledge and expertise in the industrial field generally. The high preponderance of single mothers having care of a child is a matter of common knowledge. Even if the 'statistic', ie the precise ratio referred to is less well know, it was in any event apparently discussed at the hearing before the industrial tribunal without doubt or reservation on either side. It thus seems clear to me that, when considering as a basis for their decision the reliability of the figures with which they were presented, the industrial tribunal were entitled to take the view that the percentage difference represented a minimum rather than a maximum so far as discriminatory effect was concerned. 26 Equally, I consider that the industrial tribunal was entitled to have regard to the large discrepancy in numbers between male and female operators making up the pool for its consideration. Not one of the male component of just over 2,000 men was unable to comply with the rostering arrangements. On the other hand, one woman could not comply out of the female component of only 21. It seems to me that the comparatively small size of the female component indicated, again without the need for specific evidence, both that it was either difficult or unattractive for women to work as train operators in any event and that the figure of 95.2% of women unable to comply was likely to be a minimum rather than a maximum figure. Further, if for any reason fortuitous error was present or comprehensive evidence lacking, an unallowed-for increase of no more than one in the women unable to comply would produce an effective figure of some 10% as against the nil figure in respect of men; on the other hand, one male employee unable to comply would scarcely alter the proportional difference at all. Again, I consider Mr Allen is right to point out in relation to Mrs Quinlan that, albeit the industrial tribunal lacked the evidence to find as a fact that she could not comply, the reference to her indicates that they had her uncertain position in mind when assessing the firmness of the figure of only 4.8% as the basis for a finding of prima facie discrimination. 27 Finally, although the industrial tribunal did not state that they placed reliance upon the LU's original proposal for the single-parent link scheme, which was designed to deal with precisely the kind of difficulties which faced the applicant, they might legitimately have done so in my view; it was a recognition by LU of the likely adverse impact of the proposed rostering arrangements on those members of the workforce who were single parents and thus afforded support for the industrial tribunal to take the view that the effect of the rostering arrangements, unalleviated by such a scheme, was discriminatory in effect. 28 Thus I do not consider that the decision or reasoning of the industrial tribunal is open to attack unless Mr Bean can make good his main argument that their conclusion was contrary to the wording of the stature, or alternatively a decision which no reasonable tribunal could have reached. As to the first, in the light of the previous expressions of view of this court to which I have referred, I have not found this an easy question. However, I have concluded that the argument must fail in the circumstances of this case. 29 In many respects, no doubt, it would be useful to lay down in relation to s.1(1)(b) a rule of thumb or to draw a line defining the margin within, or threshold beyond, which, in relation to small percentage differences, the lower percentage should not reasonably be regarded as 'considerably smaller' than the higher percentage. However, it does not seem to me appropriate to do so. For the various reasons discussed in this judgment, and because of the wide field and variety of situations in which the provisions of the section are to be applied, the circumstances and arguments before the adjudicating tribunal are bound to differ as to what in a particular case amounts to a proportion which is 'considerably smaller' for the purposes of determining the discriminatory or potentially discriminatory nature of a particular requirement or condition. If a figure were to be selected in the field of employment, it would be likely to vary according to the context, and in particular as between a case where the requirement or condition is applied on a national scale in respect of which reliable supporting statistics are available and those where it is applied in relation to a small firm or an unbalanced workforce where the decision may have to be made on far less certain evidence and to a large degree upon the basis of the industrial tribunal's own experience and assessment as applied to such figures as are available. The difficulties are well illustrated by this case. 30 Plainly, a percentage difference of no more than 5% or thereabouts is inherently likely to lead an industrial tribunal to the conclusion that the requirements of s.1(1)(b) have not been made out, but I am not prepared to say that such a conclusion must inevitably follow in every case . Nor, for essentially the same reasons as those expressed by Knox J in Greater Manchester Police Authority v Lea , am I prepared to say that such a conclusion necessarily followed in this case." (b) paragraphs 40, 41, 43, 48 and 49 of the judgment of Simon Brown L J are in the following terms (with our emphasis): "40 The critical question arising on the appeal is this: On these facts can it properly be said that 95.2% is a 'considerably smaller' proportion than 100% within the meaning of s.1(1)(b)(i) of the Act? 41 Contending for the answer no, Mr Bean QC submits in effect that the question answers itself: a difference of under 5% is simply not sufficient. It would, he says, be perverse to describe 95."% as 'considerably smaller' than 100%. On this approach, of course, the fact that only one in 21 women was unable to comply with the new roster requirement was of itself fatal to the respondent's cause: it mattered not whether any of the men were affected, nor what proportions of men and women are lone parents in the population as a whole. Those further facts, submits Mr Bean, are simply irrelevant. 43 Mr Allen's second and principal argument is that, even assuming the 5% figure to be correct (as I think we must), ie that 95% of the women in the group could comply with the new roster requirement, that proportion could properly be held to be considerably smaller than the 100% proportion of men. It is not to be overlooked, he submits, that at the other end of the scale 5% of the women were disadvantaged indeed. In the final analysis, he argues, equality of treatment is the paramount consideration. 48 As to how percentages of this sort have been regarded in the past, one finds only limited assistance, and indeed some inconsistency, in the cases. Whereas, for example, in Staffordshire County Council v Black(1995) IRLR 234 , the EAT (presided over, be it noted, by Morison J) upheld the industrial tribunal's finding that 89.5% was not 'considerably smaller' that 97% - stating that 'the figures speak for themselves' in Greater Manchester Police Authority v Lea(1990) IRLR 375 , the EAT (presided over by Knox J) upheld the industrial tribunal's finding that 95.3% was 'considerably smaller' than 99.4%. 49 I can state my conclusions really quite shortly. Given that this legislation is concerned essentially to contrast the impact of a given requirement or condition as between men and women rather than as between the women in the group, it would seem to me wrong to ignore entirely the striking fact here that not a single man was disadvantaged by this requirement despite the vast preponderance of men within the group. Looked at in the round, this requirement clearly bore disproportionately as between men and women, even though only one woman was affected by it. Had there been an equal number of women drivers to male drivers and the same 5% proportion of them been affected, ie 100, Mr Bean's argument would remain the same, namely that too large a proportion of women were able to comply with the requirement to leave room for a finding that such proportion was 'considerably smaller' than the proportion of men who could comply. It is not an argument I am ultimately prepared to accept. The approach to s.1(1)(b)(i) must, I conclude, be more flexible than this argument allows. Parliament has not, be it noted, chosen to stipulate, as it could, just what difference in proportions would be sufficient. Once, then, one departs from the purely mechanistic approach contended for by the appellants, and has regard to other facts besides merely a comparison between 95% and 100%, the respondent's argument becomes compelling: no other fact could be more relevant than that, whereas 5% of the women were disadvantaged, not one of the 2,023 men was. That further consideration in my judgment supports the industrial tribunal's finding her."
"Accordingly I prefer to state that the part must be "of such size, character and importance as to make it worth consideration for the purposes of the act."
"Applying this test to the present case one will ask first whether any misdirection is established, and secondly whether the decision can be overturned on the facts. As to the first it is quite clear that the approach of the commission was in general accord to what I would propose. It is true that matters such as academic and sports activities, mentioned by the commission, are of marginal importance at the most, but I do not regard their inclusion in the list of features to which the commission paid regard as vitiating an appreciation of 'substantive' which was broadly correct. On the second question the parties are at odds as to the proper function of the courts. The respondents say that the two stages of the commission's inquiry involved wholly different tasks. Once the commission reached the stage of deciding on public interest and remedies it was exercising a broad judgment whose outcome could be overturned only on the ground of irrationality. The question of jurisdiction, by contrast, is a hard-edged question. There is no room for legitimate disagreement. Either the commission had jurisdiction or it had not. The fact that it is quite hard to discover the meaning of section 64(3) makes no difference. It does have a correct meaning, and one meaning alone; and once this is ascertained a correct application of it to the facts of the case will always yield the same answer. If the commission has reached a different answer it is wrong, and the court can and must intervene. I agree with this argument in part, but only in part. Once the criterion for a judgment has been properly understood, the fact that it was formerly part of a range of possible criteria from which it was difficult to choose and on which opinions might legitimately differ becomes a matter of history. The judgment now proceeds unequivocally on the basis of the criterion as ascertained. So far, no room for controversy. But this clear-cut approach cannot be applied to every case, for the criterion so established may itself be so imprecise that different decision-makers, each acting rationally, might reach differing conclusions when applying it to the facts of a given case. In such a case the court is entitled to substitute its own opinion for that of the person to whom the decision has been entrusted only if the decision is so aberrant that it cannot be classed as rational: Edwards v Bairstow[1956] AC 14 . The present is such a case. Even after eliminating inappropriate senses of 'substantial' one is still left with a meaning broad enough to call for the exercise of judgment rather than an exact quantitative measurement. Approaching the matter in this light I am quite satisfied that there is no ground for interference by the court, since the conclusion at the which the commission arrived was well within the permissible field of judgment. Indeed I would go further, and say that in my opinion it was right."
"51 By its third question, the national court seeks to ascertain the legal test for establishing whether a measure adopted by a Member State has disparate effect as between men and women to such a degree as to amount to indirect discrimination for the purposes of Article 119 of the Treaty. 52 Article 119 of the Treaty sets out the principle that men and women should receive equal pay for equal work. That principle excludes not only the application of provisions leading to direct sex discrimination, but also the application of provisions which maintain different treatment between men and women at work as a result of the application of criteria not based on sex where those differences of treatment are not attributable to objective factors unrelated to sex discrimination (see joined cases C-399/92, C-409/92, C-425/92, C-34/93, C-50/93 and C-78/93 Helmig and others[1994] IRLR 216 , paragraph 20). 53 It is common ground that the disputed rule does not entail direct sex discrimination. It must therefore be considered whether the rule may constitute indirect discrimination incompatible with Article 119 of the Treaty. 54 The applicants in the main proceedings maintain that where there is an intrinsic risk that a measure adopted by a Member State will have a disparate effect on pay as between men and women, and/or such disparate effect is actually demonstrated by reliable and significant statistics, Article 119 of the EC Treaty is infringed unless that measure can be shown to be based upon objectively justified factors unrelated to sex. 55 In particular, they claim that where there are statistics which are significant, cover the entire workforce, and demonstrate long-term phenomena that cannot be explained as fortuitous, anything more than a minimal difference in impact would infringe the obligation to give effect to the principle of equal treatment. 56 According to the United Kingdom Government, the terms used by the Court in its case law on indirect discrimination clearly show that it has in mind a markedly different impact. 57 For its part, the Commission proposes a 'statistically significant' test, whereby statistics must form an adequate basis of comparison and the national court must ensure that they are not distorted by factors specific to the case. The existence of statistically significant evidence is enough to establish disproportionate impact and pass the onus to the author of the allegedly discriminatory measure. 58 As regards the establishment of indirect discrimination, the first question is whether a measure such as the rule at issue has a more unfavourable impact on women than on men. 59 Next, as the United Kingdom Government was right to point out, the best approach to the comparison of statistics is to consider, on the one hand, the respective proportions of men [ and (stet) ] in the workforce able to satisfy the requirement of two years' employment under the disputed rule and of those unable to do so, and, on the other, to compare those proportions as regards women in the workforce. It is not sufficient to consider the number of persons affected, since that depends on the number of working people in the Member State as a whole as well as the percentages of men and women employed in that State. 60 As the Court has stated on several occasions, it must be ascertained whether the statistics available indicate that a considerably smaller percentage of women than men is able to satisfy the condition of two years' employment required by the disputed rule. That situation would be evidence of apparent sex discrimination unless the disputed rule were justified by objective factors unrelated to any discrimination based on sex . 61 That could also be the case if the statistical evidence revealed a lesser but persistent and relatively constant disparity over a long period between men and women who satisfy the requirement of two years' employment. It would, however, be for the national court to determine the conclusions to be drawn from such statistics. 62 It is also for the national court to assess whether the statistics concerning the situation of the workforce are valid and can be taken into account , that is to say, whether they cover enough individuals, whether they illustrate purely fortuitous or short-term phenomena, and whether, in general, they appear to be significant (seecase C-127/92 Enderby[1993] IRLR 591 , paragraph 17). It is, in particular, for the national court to establish whether, given the answer to the fourth question, the 1985 statistics concerning the respective percentages of men and women fulfilling the requirement of two years' employment under the disputed rule are relevant and sufficient for the purposes of resolving the case before it. 63 In this case, it appears from the order for reference that in 1985, the year in which the requirement of two years' employment was introduced, 77.4% of men and 68.9% of women fulfilled that condition. 64 Such statistics do not appear, on the face of it, to show that a considerably smaller percentage of women than men is able to fulfil the requirement imposed by the disputed rule. 65 Accordingly, the answer to the third question must be that in order to establish whether a measure adopted by a Member State has disparate effect as between men and women to such a degree as to amount to indirect discrimination for the purposes of Article 119 of the Treaty, the national court must verify whether the statistics available indicate that a considerably smaller percentage of women than men is able to fulfil the requirement imposed by that measure. If that is the case, there is indirect sex discrimination, unless that measure is justified by objective factors unrelated to any discrimination based on sex ."
"The applicants had shown that at the time of their dismissal in 1991 the two-year qualifying period to bring an unfair dismissal complaint had a disparately adverse impact on women so as to amount to indirect discrimination contrary to Article 119 of the EC Treaty. In a case of indirect discrimination, the obligation is to avoid applying unjustifiable requirements having a considerable disparity of impact. The approach adopted by the European Court is similar to that provided in s.1(1)(b) of the Sex Discrimination Act. A considerable disparity can be more readily established if the statistical evidence covers a long period and the figures show a persistent and relatively constant disparity. In such a case, a lesser statistical disparity may suffice to show that the disparity is considerable than if the statistics cover only a short period or if they present an uneven picture. In the present case, from 1985 up to and including 1991, the ratio of men and women who qualified was roughly 10:9. A persistent and constant disparity of that order in respect of the entire male and female labour forces was adequate to demonstrate that the extension of the qualifying period had a considerably greater adverse impact on women than men."
"51 This is not a case of direct discrimination. The 1985 Order drew no distinction between men and women. The contention of Ms Seymour-Smith and Ms Perez is that the order was indirectly discriminatory, because it introduced a qualifying condition which bore more hardly on women than men. Women were treated less favourably than men, the two-year qualifying period was smaller than the proportion of men. Before your Lordships two issues arise for decision. The first is whether, at the time of the dismissal of Ms Seymour-Smith and Ms Perez in 1991, the 1985 Order did have a disparately adverse impact on women. If it did, the second issue calling for decision is whether the differential impact was objectively justified. 52 Disparately adverse impact One of the questions referred by your Lordships' House to the European Court sought guidance on the legal test for establishing whether a measure adopted by a member State has such a degree of disparate effect as between men and women as to amount to indirect discrimination for the purposes of Article 119. The view of the European Court is set out in paragraphs 60-65 of its judgment:(1999) IRLR 253 , 266-267. These paragraphs are reproduced in the speech of my noble and learned friend Lord Slynn of Hadley. These paragraphs, especially the relationship between paragraphs 60 and 61, were much analysed and debated before your Lordships. The European Court, it was submitted, wavered uncertainly between what must be established as a substantive criterion and the evidence needed for that purpose. In paragraph 60 the court referred to statistical evidence that 'a considerably smaller percentage of women than men is able to satisfy the condition', and treated this as evidence of apparent sex discrimination calling for justification. However, in the next paragraph the court observed that statistical evidence revealing '' lesser but persistent and relatively constant disparity over a long period' could also be evidence of apparent sex discrimination. In paragraph 61, unlike paragraph 60, the court gave no guidance on the extent of statistical disparity required to establish apparent sex discrimination. Nor did the court spell out, in so many words, how these two approaches fit together. Nor, on its face, does the answer given by the Court to the referred question in paragraph 65 leave any room to apply the 'lesser disparity' approach envisaged in paragraph 61. 53 As I see it, the reasoning underlying these paragraphs is that, in the case of indirect discrimination, the obligation to avoid discrimination does not consist of applying requirements having precisely the same impact on men and women employees. The obligation is to avoid applying unjustifiable requirements having a considerable disparity of impact. In this regard the European court has adopted an approach similar to that provided ins.1(1)(b) of the Sex Discrimination Act 1975 . A considerable disparity can be more readily established if the statistical evidence covers a long period and the figures show a persistent and relatively constant disparity. In such a case a lesser statistical disparity may suffice to show that the disparity is considerable than if the statistics cover only a short period or if they present an uneven picture. 54 Having set out the applicable principles, the European Court addressed the facts in the present case. In doing so the Court focused exclusively on the 1985 statistics: see paragraphs 62-65. This may have been because the Court had foremost in mind the contention that the making of the 1985 Order was ultra vires. The relevant date for the purpose of deciding that issue was 1985, being the date when the Order was made. The 1985 statistics showed that 77.4% of men and 68.9% of women satisfied the extended qualifying period introduced the 1985 Order. The Court commented that, on its face, those statistics did not appear to show that a considerably smaller percentage of women than men was able to fulfil the extended requirement. In its formal answer to the referred question in paragraph 65, the Court repeated the considerably smaller percentage test already stated in paragraph 60. However, I cannot believe that in doing so the Court intended to repudiate the approach stated in paragraph 61. Nor do I think this can be taken as an indication by the Court that the paragraph 61 approach was inapplicable in this case if a date later than 1985 was the appropriate date. 55 Before your Lordships it was common ground that 1991, not 1985, was the relevant date for the purpose of the issue now being considered. The position at this later date was not considered by the European Court. I turn to the available statistics, covering the period from 1985 to 1993, extracted from the annual labour force surveys. Percentage of men Percentage of women with more with more Year than 2 years than 2 years Disparity 1985 77.4 68.9 8.5 1986 77.2 68.4 8.8 1987 75.3 67.1 8.2 1988 73.4 65.6 7.8 1989 72.0 63.8 8.2 1990 72.5 64.1 8.4 1991 74.5 67.4 7.1 1992 77.9 72.1 5.8 1993 78.4 74.1 4.3 56 These figures show that over a period of seven years, from 1985 up to and including 1991, the ratio of men and women who qualified was roughly 10.9. For every 10 men who qualified, only nine women did so. This disparity was remarkably constant for the six years from 1985 to 1990, but it began to diminish in 1991. 57 These figures are in borderline country. The question under consideration is one of degree. When the borderline is defined by reference to a criterion as imprecise as 'considerably smaller' it is inevitable that in some cases different minds may reach different conclusions. The decisions of the two courts below illustrate this. My own impression differs from the majority of your Lordships. I find myself driven to the conclusion that a persistent and constant disparity of the order just mentioned in respect of the entire male and female labour forces of the country over a period of seven years cannot be brushed aside and dismissed as insignificant or inconsiderable. I agree with the Court of Appeal that, given the context of equality of pay or treatment, the latitude afforded by the word 'considerably' should not be exaggerated. I think these figures are adequate to demonstrate that the extension of the qualifying period had a considerably greater adverse impact on women than men. 58 The reduction in the disparity, which started in 1991, continued in 1992 and 1993. By 1993 the ratio of men and women qualifiers was about 20:19. But, looking at the overall picture, I do not think the diminished disparity after 1991 is sufficient to displace the message of the figures for the earlier years. Accordingly, it is for the government to show that the extension of the qualifying period was justified, to use the accepted nomenclature by objective factors unrelated to any discrimination based on sex. On this issue I agree with the Court of Appeal. 59 Qualifiers and non-qualifiers Before turning to justification I must mention a point which was debated before your Lordships. In paragraph 59 of its judgment the European Court described the approach which should be adopted to the comparison of statistics: '…….. the best approach to the comparison of statistics is to consider, on the one hand, the respective proportions of men in the workforce able to satisfy the requirement of two years' employment under the disputed rule and of those unable to do so, and, on the other, to compare those proportions as regards women in the workforce. It is not sufficient to consider the number of persons affected, since that depends on the number of working people in the Member State as a whole as well as the percentages of men and women employed in that State. 60 This statement appears to envisage that two comparisons should be made: a comparison of the proportions of men and women able to satisfy the requirement ('the qualifiers'), and a comparison of the proportions of men and women unable to satisfy the requirement ('the non-qualifiers'). Thereafter in its judgment the Court considered only the proportions of men and women who were qualifiers. 61 Some of the ramifications involved in looking at the composition of the disadvantaged group, as well as the composition of the advantaged group, were explored by the Divisional Court and the Court of Appeal in the present case. Suffice to say, I do not understand the European Court to have rejected use of the figures relating to the non-qualifiers in a suitable case. Indeed, the European Court has looked at the composition of the disadvantaged group in several cases, although in none of them was there an issue on this point: see, for instance, Bilka-Kaufhaus GmbH v Weber von Hartz (case 170.84)(1986) IRLR 317 , 320, paragraph 31, Nimz v Freie und Hansestadt Hamburg (case –184/89)(1991) IRLR 222 , 225, paragraph 12, and Kowalska v Freie und Hansestadt Hamburg (case –33/89)(1990) IRLR 447 , 449, paragraphs 13-16. Having regard to the conclusion I have expressed above on the issue of disparate impact, it is unnecessary to reach a firm conclusion on this point. I prefer to leave this question open for another occasion. "
"12 In answer to the third question, the Court set out the rival positions adopted before it. Thus, (a) the applicants contended that where there are significant statistics covering the entire workforce which cannot be regarded as fortuitous, 'anything more than a minimal difference' in impact could be a breach; (b) the United Kingdom contended for 'a markedly different impact'; (c) the Commission proposed a test by which 'the existence of statistically significant' evidence is enough to establish disproportionate impact. 13 The Court then indicated its conclusion as to the proper approach. The first question is whether the measure has 'a more unfavourable impact on women than on men'. The best approach to the comparison of statistics relevant to that is 'to consider, on the one hand, the respective proportions of men in the workforce able to satisfy the requirement of two years' employment under the disputed rule and those unable to do so, and on the other, to compare those proportions as regards women in the workforce':[1999] IRLR 253 , 278, paragraph 59."
"22 As far as 1985 is concerned, I do not consider that it has been established that these statistics are insufficient or fortuitous; on the contrary, I accept, as the Divisional Court accepted, that these figures were appropriate. In my view, these figures are 'relevant and sufficient for the purposes of resolving the case' (paragraph 62). They do not show that in 1985 a considerably smaller percentage of women than men was able to fulfil the requirement. 23 The European Court contemplates that a percentage which is 'lesser' than 'considerably smaller' may yet be evidence of indirect discrimination if it is 'persistent and relatively constant'. There thus remains the important question as to whether 'the statistical evidence revealed a lesser but persistent and relatively constant disparity over a long period between men and women'. The European Court did not give guidance on this question as it had on the 1985 figures. 24 Starting from the basis that the 1985 percentage for women was not in itself 'considerably smaller' for the purposes of the rule, it must thus be asked whether it was such that, if it continued, it could be said to be 'consistent and relatively constant'? This is no doubt the most difficult aspect of this part of the case, in view of the numbers (rather than the percentage) of women involved. As has been seen, the Divisional Court was satisfied that, looking at the period from 1985 to 1993 as a whole, the figures were not 'considerably smaller'. They do not expressly consider whether, although less than considerably smaller, the figures were sufficiently persistent and constant as to indicate indirect discrimination. 25 The Court of Appeal, on the other hand, were impressed by the 'persistency and consistency' of the figures from 1985 to 1991, though they accepted that there was a narrowing of the gap in 1992 and a 'more marked narrowing of the gap in 1993'. They concluded that it had been shown that 'for the period leading up to the dismissals of the two applicants, there had been and continued to be a considerable and persistent difference between the numbers and percentage of men and women in the group' who did and did not qualify. 26 It seems to me clear, from their conclusion that in the period 'there had been' a considerable difference, that the Court of Appeal were proceeding on the basis that the percentage of women who qualified in the beginning was considerably smaller; that considerable difference 'continued'. 27 If the starting point is, on the other hand, that the percentage of women qualifying in 1985 was not 'considerably smaller', the conclusion does not necessarily follow. Accordingly, although your Lordships are reluctant to interfere with the assessment of the Court of Appeal on issues of fact, it seems to me that the matter has to be looked at from the starting point indicated in the European Court's judgment. Since the figures are agreed, it seems to me open to your Lordships to resolve this issue without the matter being referred back to the Court of Appeal or the Divisional Court."
"42 My noble and learned friend concludes that the Court of Appeal were proceeding on the basis that the percentage of women who qualified in the beginning was considerably smaller, and that that considerable difference 'continued'; and comments that, if in the beginning that was not so, the conclusion does not necessarily follow. I very respectfully suggest that this is reading too much into the Court of Appeal's judgment. The Court of Appeal stressed that they were impressed by the 'persistency and consistency of the figures from 1985 to 1991 inclusive' (see p.476, 101). If they had believed that the statistics as at 1985 were sufficient of themselves to justify the considerable disparity, they would doubtless have said so; moreover, it would have been unnecessary for them to invoke the persistence and consistency of the figures from 1985 to 1991 unless they considered that, in such circumstances, a lesser disparity over that period would satisfy the 'considerably smaller' requirement. It is therefore my understanding that the Court of Appeal regarded the persistence and consistency of the disparity as essential to their decision and so concluded, on the statistics over the period leading up to the dismissals, that (to adopt the words of the European Court) a 'lesser but persistent and relatively constant disparity' existed over that long period. I strongly suspect (I can say no more) that the European Court interpreted the Court of Appeal's judgment in the same way."
"29 Although the percentage of women who can comply may be 'lesser' than 'considerably smaller' than the percentage of men who can comply if the percentage is persistent and relatively constant, I do not read the Court as saying that any difference between men and women which continues over a period itself establishes discrimination contrary to Article 119. The difference is evidence that 'could' establish such discrimination, but it is 'for the national court to determine the conclusion to be drawn from such statistics'. It seems to me that the disparity, even if not establishing a 'considerably smaller' percentage of women able to qualify must still be significant so as to satisfy the Court that it would be right to find indirect sex discrimination." … 34 The Court of Appeal[1995] IRLR 464 , 476 were impressed by the fact that in 1985 'there were 370,000 fewer women in the advantaged group than predicted', though no figures are relied on by the Court of Appeal for later years and they do not say whether there were less men in the advantaged group than 'predicted'. In any event, the European Court of Justice knew of this figure from the Court of Appeal judgment and did not suggest that it was sufficient 'on the face of it' to require a finding in respect of 1985 that there was a considerably smaller percentage of women who qualify. In my view, in the light of the numbers quoted by the Divisional Court on which the percentages are based, it is clear that the percentages can be relied on for the purposes of considering this issue in accordance with the judgment of the European Court. 35 In all the circumstances, in the light of the European Court's judgment, I am satisfied that the percentages of those qualifying in 1985 do not establish discrimination contrary to Article 119, and that the percentages of those qualifying in and leading up to 1991 do not establish discrimination at the time of dismissal. Although the 1985 Order did prevent a higher percentage of women than men from claiming compensation, it cannot be said that it 'actually affects a considerably higher percentage of woman than men' (paragraph 67 of the European Court's judgment). It would in any event, however much the result could be justified logically, be odd if there was no discrimination in 1985, but in 1991 on a slightly higher percentage of women qualifying (and one as part of a rising trend) there was discrimination. 36 On those percentages it does not seem to me to be necessary or helpful to consider separately the figures for those who did not qualify."