"The First Respondents [who were OCO] at an interview on25th April 1995 offered the Applicants continuation of employment with the First Respondents as of the1st May 1995 on the basis that the First Respondent was of the understanding that the Transfer Of Undertakings Regulations applied, and that was the position as at the25th April 1995 , and would have remained the First Respondent's view had the Council not made it a condition of accepting the First Respondent's tender that the First Respondent take on all of the DLO Staff. The Second Respondents [who were ETB] acted honourably throughout insofar as their staff were concerned in trying to resolve their employment position, and they took steps immediately they knew they were not going to be successful in the tender process to contact the successful tenderers to make the appropriate arrangements to ensure a smooth transfer of staff. The workforce of Ellis Tylin were divided up into appropriate groups and "assigned" by Ellis [that is by ETB] to work which they previously did so as to follow the work which was done by the new contractor."
"There was an actual transfer of staff and offer of employment by the First Respondent to the Applicants - there was discussion between the original contractor and the new contractor there was in our view an acceptance by the First Respondent [OCO] that insofar as these Applicants were concurred the Regulations did apply, the new contracts covered different geographical areas but incorporated the original areas and, the work is substantially the same. We do not believe that the Regulations are "defeated" merely because the whole of the work done by one company is subsequently carried out by more than one company, if that were possible we can envisage situations where potential transferees of a business would set up one, two three associated companies or make arrangements with third parties with a view of defeating by the Regulations."
"19. The purpose of the Regulations, is to protect employees. The Regulations were drawn by lawyers and have to be implemented by business men. One must interpret them in a common sense and practical way to achieve the purpose of the Regulations. We believe that the way that the Second Respondent [ETB] approached the matter was correct they sought from the Third Respondents [the Council], who had awarded the new contracts guidance as to the approximate breakdown of the work that they previously done between the new contractors confirmation that the new work was substantially the same and then allocating the staff according, their actions were within the spirit and intention of the Regulations.
"We have come to the view the Industrial Tribunal did not make such findings of act as were necessary to consider the question whether Mr Kingston and Miss Jones were assigned to that part of the undertaking which was transferred, namely the Welsh area. We consider that the Tribunal were acquired to make findings of fact within the ambit of those matters set out in Duncan Web Offset (Maidstone) Limited -v- Cooper[1995] IRLR 633 and it was an error of law merely to rely on hypothetical contingencies that might occur rather than considering what both employees were actually doing. Moreover, each of the Applicant's applications was entitled to have their position [I think it must be each of the Applicant's was entitled to have their position considered separately] and their job function was such that it may be their prospective positions could not be equated. This is not a matter which it is possible to speculate in view of the absence of findings of fact made by the Tribunal."
"The Tribunal did not embark on the necessary fact finding exercise. Its reasoning for its decision is quoted in paragraph 21 where the Tribunal finds the employees responsibilities extend to Wales and the West. Thereafter, he said, he considers what would have happened if certain events had occurred but it had made no findings about what actually did happen in relation to the amount of time spent in dealing with different areas. How costs were apportioned. What the value of each Applicant's work was to each area and the number and frequency of problems which required the employee's attention. In failing to do this, he said, the Industrial Tribunal had erred in law and that the Employment Appeal Tribunal had correctly allowed the appeal."
"In my judgment there is no reason to doubt that the Industrial Tribunal did carry out this exercise in this case as it was bound to do. It was not under any obligation to set out in its Extended Reasons all the evidence which it heard on this point. In my view the Industrial Tribunal did not, as Mr Nicholls submits that it did simply considered the contractual relationship between the parties and Cornerstone, it is clearly stated in the decision that its conclusions of fact were reached on the evidence and that is a conclusion which has not been demonstrated by argument before the Employment Appeal Tribunal or this Court as unsupported by evidence or is contrary to uncontradicted evidence.
"1. X has a business in which he employees a number of people. X transfers part of his business to Y. In order to determine which employees were employed by X in the part transferred it is necessary to ask: which of X's employees were assigned to the part transferred - Botzen[1986] 2 CMLR p.50 . In Gale it was suggested that the question might be asked whether a particular employee was 'part of the .... human resources' of the part transferred, which is the same thing put another way. The contracts of employment of those who were so assigned will, unless the employees object, pass over to the transferee, thus giving effect to the purpose of the Regulations and the Acquired Rights Directive, pursuant to which they were made, that an employee should not forfeit his job because of a change in the identity of his employer. There will often be difficult questions of fact for industrial tribunals to consider when deciding who was 'assigned' and who was not. We were invited to give evidence to industrial tribunals about such a decision, but decline to do so because the facts will vary so markedly from case to case. In the course of argument a number were suggested, such as the amount of time spend on one part of the business or the other; the amount of value given to each part of the employee; the terms of the contract of employment showing what the employee could be required to do; how the cost to the employer of the employee's services had been allocated between the different parts of the business. This is, plainly, not an exhaustive list; we are quite prepared to accept that these or some of these matters may well fall for consideration by an industrial tribunal which is seeking to determine to which part of his employers' business the employee had been assigned."