“Can’t really see the rent link in this though unless it affects the %s.”
“Reed bed system incorporated which reduces water discharge to practically nil. Supplier giving 5 year warranty but necessary to connect to mains in case of failure. Kivells requesting service pack or some sort of underwriting from Council. Could possibly be addressed by retention on the construction contract to ensure system operational.” “Rent of£80,000 based on gross turnover of the market. Agreed.”
“The Proposed Development on the Subject Land will comprise the following elements: (a) New Livestock market and agri-business centre building to include 2no. sales rings, stalls, loading facilities, pay counter, café/seminar room, chattels room, auctioneer’s office, training and skills centre, trading pods, WC’s, concourse. (b) Trailer and car parking areas. (c) Bio-security at entrance and exit points. (d) Surface and storm water attenuation ponds. (e) Foul water treatment including a reed bed system. (f) Lairage area.”
“You know my views on this – they wanted a reed bed, they have got the reed bed and the benefit to their business in terms of reduced sewerage overheads. I know we are getting an increased rental, but we are also committing£6m to assist their business. To ask us to maintain it on top is a joke.”
“…. a new Agri-Business Centre to be constructed on property owned by the Landlord at Quagmire Lane, Holsworthy, Devon which shall comprise:- (a) a livestock market including (but not limited to) sales rings, stalls, loading and unloading facilities, café, auctioneers office, toilets and ancillary facilities; (b) parking areas; (c) appropriate bio-security arrangements; and (d) attenuation facilities and lairage areas as further specified in accordance with the Specification.”
“the specification for the Development annexed to this Agreement at Annexure 1 as the same may be varied by agreement between the parties and such expression shall where the context so admits or requires include any modification or variations made in accordance with this agreement or by written agreement between the Developer and the Owner (both parties acting reasonably).”
“Accordingly, the intention expressed in that email was that any specification attached to the agreement for lease and surrender would be a stop-gap and no more. As I have understood matters, Kivell’s representatives agreed with this. There certainly was no dissent that I was aware of to this stance. Indeed, if there had been any dissent at that stage, the Project would more than likely have ended there, since, without the surrender of the old cattle-market site, the prime funding mechanism for the HABC would not have been available. ……..”
“[Kivells] made clear that it would put its case to the main witness called by the [Council], which is precisely what it did. It cannot now complain that the other witnesses were unable to give evidence or were not called.”
“All I can suggest is that we put the best/most robust evidence we have in there.”
“With regards to the specification, I understand Kevin [Hicks] has spoken to you on this and agreed that the document is a very elemental bill of quantities which will be supplanted by a tender specification when the same is to hand.”
“It is currently proposed to dispose of sewage to the public sewerage system on the nearby industrial estate. However, options are being investigated for on-site sewage treatment possibly using a septic tank and reed bed, thereby avoiding the need for connection to the public sewerage system.”
“A reed bed system to enable microbiological treatment of the wash down effluent has also been proposed for the development, and further consideration of this design feature is underway.”
“Additionally there shall be the provision of a treatment plan for all foul waste produced by the operation of the livestock market …”
“The foul runoff from these areas will then be routed to a foul water treatment system which shall be designed in consultation with the EA.”
“….. [Kivells] contractually agreed that the build out of the Agri-Business Centre would be on the basis of the specification of the winning tender or something similar, the consideration for which agreement the entry was the entry into the [Agreement for Lease].” [Agreement for Lease].”
“67. Sindalls submitted their tender on the basis of a Water Treatment Plant and the [Council] accepted the Tender on the basis of the sewage and drainage being by way of Water Treatment Plant. 68. [Kivells] were at all material times aware of the Tender and the tendering process and on7 August 2012 at a meeting in their offices, they gave their express consent to all matters pertaining to the build as had been concluded at that date which included all matters relating to treatment of sewage and the installation of a water treatment plant and as a result the [Council] put the Invitation to Treat requiring amongst other matters a sewage Water Treatment Plant. 69. Further [Kivells] were provided with all documentation relating to the Building Contract within the meaning of clause 4 of the Agreement before the contract was entered into and a copy of the Contract after it was entered into all such documentation showed a Water Treatment Plant was to be installed to treat sewage.”
“Please see the attached information from Biologic. We will discuss it at our meeting later today. David called yesterday and is unable to attend. He and Mark are both available for a conference call if needs be.”
“Thank you for confirming the sewage treatment plant taking sewerage to the state where it can be entered into a ditch or the mains is still within the scheme, and at present it is not intended for the effluent to be deposited in the main sewer but a connection will be available should the same be necessary.” “Thank you for confirming the sewage treatment plant taking sewerage to the state where it can be entered into a ditch or the mains is still within the scheme, and at present it is not intended for the effluent to be deposited in the main sewer but a connection will be available should the same be necessary.”
“We had not agreed a mechanical system – they knew we regarded it as essential to avoid the operating cost of a mains sewer connection.”
“There was a discussion about drainage requirements for the market. KH explained the use of mains drainage for market effluent would significantly increase the operating costs. There was a discussion in relation to the terms of the Agreement for Lease and the need for both parties to be satisfied that the planning permission was acceptable. The problem for the parties was that on-site drainage may increase costs in terms of drainage but off-site drainage would increase operating costs for Kivells. The parties understood each other’s position on this.”
“I don’t think that the Council knew what system they were going to get at this stage.”
“By the end of 2013, Kevin [Hicks] was still in discussion with [the Council] over our concerns in respect of the costs of the mechanical dirty water system. We felt strongly that [the Council] should bear some of the costs given that we had negotiated the terms of the Agreement for Surrender and New Lease on the belief we would be getting a reed bed system and the reduced costs associated with that system and it was [the Council] that had unilaterally decided to change to a mechanical system with a mains sewer connection.”
“Sewerage Provision for new market As discussed, the current lease agreement envisages a sustainable reed bed system for sewerage discharge from the livestock market. This is now being replaced by a mechanical system of sewage treatment within the curtilage and then discharged to the mains sewer. In order to inform a further negotiation between Torridge District Council and Kivells Ltd as to the lease cost implications a cost comparison will be constructed for the original reed bed option and the currently proposed sewage treatment unit with discharge to the mains sewer. The worked up cost will reflect annual maintenance costs for the reed bed and annual servicing and discharge costs for the scheme as currently devised. Similarly annualised costs for reed bed renewal and sewage treatment plant renewal will also be considered. With regard to discharge costs for the proposed scheme, it is understood South West Water will not be charging on the basis of volume providing same does not exceed 4 litres per second which is within the capabilities of the proposed sewage treatment system but will be charging on the basis of toxicity grade discharge following treatment.”
“It is proposed to dispose of sewage to the public sewerage system on the nearby industrial estate. On-site options that would avoid connection to the public sewerage system, such as septic tanks and reed beds have been investigated. However, these have been discounted due to limiting environmental issues and EA concern. Until such time as the site is connected to the public sewerage system or the treatment plant is operational, it will be necessary to tanker waste from the site.”
“by this stage we were committed – we were surrendering our lease [of the old market].”
“Notwithstanding this dispute, the Tenant has agreed to complete the lease without prejudice it may have against the Landlord under the Agreement.”
“We have been told by south west water that the system is not working correctly, there is not enough mixed liquor (slurry) in the system so the dirty water is not being treated correctly, SWW has taken samples of the dirty water system.”
“the aeration tank is not fit for purpose in that at 1,000m³ it is too large for the Market’s requirements by a factor of ten, meaning that the effluent is not sufficiently broken down. This allows wastewater to enter the mains sewer vested in South West Water at a strength greater than would be achieved by a correctly designedsystem.”
“It is denied that the Aeration Tank even if it were too large for the task, means that it is not fit for purpose and/or is not properly treating foul water to produce a discharge to a tolerance to which it was designed and correctly operated to. It is denied that the sizing of the said tank is a defect in fact or as a matter of law.”
“The system is designed for the following loadings The target figure for Discharge BOD is less than 1000 mg/lt The target figure for Discharge SS is less than 500 mg/lt Ammonia or N not provided Note: Client specified levels for discharge 1500mg/l COD and 750MG/l total solids Treatment Parameters 1) Unit of measurement – Metric litres and Cubic metres 2) Volume to reception tank up to 160M3 per day 3) No. of markets per week up to three 4) Flow pattern varying amounts and times not exceeding 50M3 /hr 5) COD – Information not provided Design amount used 6000 mg/l 6) BOD – Information not provided Assume 2000 mg/l 7) SS – Information not provided Assumed 2000 mg/l 8) N information not provided 9) Electricity Supply 415 V Amps as required 10) Existing Facilities – none.”
“The flow of cattle slurry is very variable. Cattle markets are held three times a week. It is stated that the basis of the design is 160m³/day of slurry. Assuming a 4hr market period this equates to 40m³/hr.”
“As you know this issue [which was a reference to Kivells paying for office costs whilst at the same time bearing a turnover rent] and the variation of the sewerage system situation which I believe is going to involve additional costs has worried me for some time. I don’t believe we should move onto other issues until we have resolved these lease term issues”
“Clearly you have expressed your views that the change from a Reed Bed system to the system being installed, breaches the original agreements, however as stated this is not our view and our surveyor has confirmed that the rent level is based on comparable markets. I can therefore only leave this with you to consider and respond, however, as stated the Council is not prepared to vary the lease rent levels on this matter.”