“1. Unless the Defendant, by 4pm on20 May 2025 , do comply with paragraph 4.4 of the Order dated04/09/2024 , the Defendant shall be debarred from participating further in the detailed assessment hearing save for the purpose of giving evidence on any preliminary issues.”
“Well, judge, we accept of course that things have not happened here as they should have done. There have been failures on the part of my client to provide the file in full. We have put our hands up to that and we have worked very hard to ensure that we come before you today in the position to give you proper evidence that we have now complied with that order but the fact that there have been errors in the past, as we accept, does not, in my submission, open the door to anything which the claimants might turn up before you today and simply ask for.”
“7. The majority of what followed may well be contained on the DMS but the order, as I have stressed, was not for disclosure of the digital case management system only and it should have been clear to the defendant what they were agreeing to, i.e. not an order for digital files only but the defendant’s complete files in digital format. 8. The claimants cannot, and certainly at the outset could not, have known how many different forms of media the defendant utilised over the relevant period of conduct (which was spread across a period in which the working world undertook significant change) and in doing so messaging via Teams, messaging via WhatsApp, as just two examples of alternative forms of medium, extended the potential source of documents beyond the usual calls and emails to which the profession has generally been accustomed to for certainly the bulk of the past 20 years, or the period in time in which emails have superseded hard copy letters by post. 9. The defendant’s conduct, in my view, thus far reasonably gives the claimants no reassurance that the exercise required by paragraph 4.4 is at this stage complete without something more. The defendant has clearly, in my view, under resourced the exercise that was required and certainly at the time they engaged into the agreed terms of paragraph 4.4 of the September order had not, it seems, fully addressed their minds as to the task in hand to comply with that order. Perhaps they did not think that the payment would be made but, in fact, it was. 10. It has, in my observation, taken much in the way of encouragement and pressure from the claimants to get to where we are today in terms of disclosure through the claimants’ efforts in analysing the documents they had been provided with on a rather piecemeal basis and identifying where it was apparent that there must be further missing documents which were communicated to the defendant’s representatives and to the defendant’s representatives’ credit have on each occasion gone away and identified and disclosed further documents. It would not surprise me at all if there is more to come from the defendant, notwithstanding that as of today the defendant is confident that they have met their disclosure obligations.”
“Further you, reference WhatsApp communications, however it is unclear as to what you are asking for or what issue is being raised. DWF did not use WhatsApp to operate Mr MacInnes’ client file. Advices to Mr MacInnes and communications with others on his behalf were recorded in email or by telephone. Further, DWF has not claimed any costs against Mr MacInnes for WhatsApp communications other than time considering those which were evidence in/relevant to the actual dispute. In the bill, which is the subject matter of this claim, there are eight entries that specifically refer to WhatsApp communications including from Rob Feldman, and Hogan Lovell and these form part of the 267k documents.”
“In particular, we do not accept that the MS Teams chats, (which for clarity are to be distinguished from teams meetings or calls), which have been provided out of an abundance of caution form part of “the file”
“Costs Judge Nagalingam directs that the Defendant in this case is now debarred from participating further in the detailed assessment hearing save for the purpose of giving evidence on any preliminary issues, as a consequence of their failure to comply with paragraph 1 of the order dated22 April 2025 .”
“41. I believe that WhatsApp messages do not form part of the “file”
“42. I have spoken to a number of colleagues, including DWF’s General Counsel, about whether WhatsApp messages would be regarded as part of the client file. They have agreed with me that they are not. I am told that the reason for excluding WhatsApp messages from the file is largely due to the practical difficulties in extracting such messages to the DMS and privacy issues and access to mobile phones. WhatsApp messages are end to end encrypted, private to sender and recipient, and are kept on the personal phones of fee earners or those provided by DWF, where the fee earner chooses to download WhatsApp from the app store unilaterally. If correspondence was undertaken via WhatsApp and a fee earner left the firm, there would be no practical way of obtaining such messages (this is the position with Ben and Tom). It is not clear how a firm of solicitors could possibly consider such items as part of their file if in practical terms they have no control over them and no ability to disclose the messages from private devices or once they have left. There is also no ability to supervise.”
“Judge, I am grateful. I mean the difficulty we have, and I do have to say this, is that there is a dispute between the parties as to what exactly is required to comply with paragraph 4.4. That is why the claimants have come up with their shopping list, as it were, of things that they want and whether or not they might get those on a specific disclosure application, there is a quite separate question of whether they are caught by paragraph 4.4. To take one example, WhatsApp messages and you have not heard submissions and, in my respectful submission, you are not in a position to give a ruling on whether WhatsApp messages are providable under paragraph 4.4 but that clearly is an issue between the parties and it would be a matter of very great concern to my client if effectively they had to take an absolutely maximal view of what could conceivably fall within that even if it went far too far for fear of the unless sanction then biting if they did not.”
“Well, if it comes to that, Mr Carpenter, those instructing you may need to make an application for relief but what we are not here to do today is to get into the finer detail of what is or is not part of the defendant’s file. That is for the defendant to decide. The order at paragraph 4.4 is a digital copy of the defendant’s complete – the defendant’s complete files in connection with the instructions described upon the amended invoices. Now, it strikes me that if one were to welcome any judicial guidance on this, if I look at the proposed paragraph 1[of the draft unless order attached to the application dated18/11/2024 ], certainly communications regarding the creation of the CFA, one would ordinarily expect those to form part of the disclosure. I am not making orders on this, I am just making observations. As to WhatsApp messages, it is quite common now that because it is quicker than writing an email many firms will now use WhatsApp or equivalent messenger services to communicate on a particular subject. It is for the defendant to take a view as to whether or not those messages form part of the file or not thereafter and, indeed, I think that is probably why the [proposed] order said and any other electronic communication irrespective of platform. If it is discussing the matters upon which the defendant was instructed, ordinarily in my view it would form part of the disclosure, if not inspection.”
“By 4.30pm on9/10/2024 the Defendant shall provide the Claimants with a complete digital copy of the Defendant’s files in connection with the instructions described upon the Amended Invoices, so as to enable the Claimants to consider the reasonableness of the costs which are the subject of this assessment and to serve Points of Dispute. The files shall be arranged in chronological order and adopting the structure described at 47PD 13 .12.”
“(1) A Declaration that the Defendant is sanctioned by Paragraph 1 of the Order of22/04/2025 , (2) additional disclosure from the Defendant relevant to the Preliminary Issues Hearing, and (3) the return of an overpayment made by the First Claimant to the Defendant.”
“While using WhatsApp is a convenient way of meeting clients’ needs, we noted that firms had not fully considered its implications. For example, most firms lacked a clear written usage policy for fee earners about whether they should be using WhatsApp on their personal mobile phones to contact clients. This poses data protection risks and the potential for exploitation of vulnerable clients. We advised firms to mitigate this, and other risks, by establishing a clear usage policy for the use of WhatsApp by fee earners. This will make sure that communication follows professional standards and stays consistent and confidential. It is also important so that there is oversight of fee earner communication with clients.”
“Most case management systems also do not automatically save messages sent via instant messaging apps like WhatsApp. This means fee earners must be proactive in remembering to add those conversations to the client file. There are clearly risks associated with this. For example, clients or fee earners might edit or delete messages before they are saved, or a fee earner might forget to save the conversation or lose the mobile phone they are using. If a matter does not accurately reflect all communication between a fee earner and a client, this can also adversely impact a supervisor's ability to oversee the matter.”
“7. When my firm was originally ordered to disclose our file, we did so by disclosing the documents that were in the DMS system (our case management system). We provided it in digital form not hard copy as per the September order. Those are the items that we would ordinarily consider constitute our file of papers. Regrettably, certain items (such as the trial bundle) were not originally provided but followed. DWF then ensured that significant steps were taken to try to make sure that every document that Mr. MacInnes was entitled to under the order of6th September 2024 (in order to allow Mr. MacInnes to prepare his objections to the bill) was sent to him.”
“14. Secondly, we gave serious reconsideration to the firm’s position in relation to WhatsApp messages and MS Teams messages and, although we concluded that MS Teams messages were not part of “the file”, we nevertheless conducted a root and branch search of MS Teams messages as far as we were able given the limitations of that platform. I address that further below.”
“41. I believe that WhatsApp messages do not form part of the “file”
“49. I refer in particular to paragraphs 27 to 29 and 42 to 45 of Mr Brighton’s witness statement. Mr. MacInnes’s allegation that emails have been withheld is not correct. As set out above, my firm have undertaken a root and branch disclosure exercise and we are as sure as we can possibly be that there are no emails which should have been provided but have been withheld. Save for emails which are not disclosable at all (due to privilege) the entire process we have undertaken has been designed (including using technology) to ensure every single one has been captured. 50. If the Claimants argue that there are claims within the bill for emails which are not disclosed (and would not be before the Court), then this is a matter for assessment and it will be for my firm to justify the amounts claimed. This is a good example of why it is not in DWF’s interests to withhold documents, because we need to rely upon these to justify our costs when the bill is assessed.”
“43. It is right to say that some clients, including Mr. MacInnes, do use WhatsApp to contact their lawyers. Where this occurs, it is unrealistic to expect the lawyer not to reply. Generally, however, it would be expected that messages using WhatsApp (or text messages) would be short, routine messages and would not contain substantial work or advice or would quickly convert any discussion or advice back to (in our case) Outlook and DMS.”