“I appreciate that you are not in a position to pay me, but you need to know how costs are building up so that you can budget accordingly… I am hoping to negotiate that your husband will pay a lump sum to cover your costs. If he is not willing to do so, however, I will introduce you to a company called Novitas who should be willing to lend you the money so that you can fight your case subject, of course, to interest and administrative charges but the litigation loan will be recoverable as part of your capital needs in your case… I will be writing to you in due course with a detailed estimate…”
“As you will imagine, I am going to need you to clear costs sooner rather than later, please because it is affecting my firm’s cash flow to have such big bills outstanding and I also need to pay third parties…”
“At this stage it is impossible to guess accurately how much fees will be needed for solicitors and Counsel pending a satisfactory outcome of this case. I believe that you should budget for somewhere between£50 -£75,000 in the event that this case goes to a full Trial next June. When I spoke to Novitas they advised that it is better to ask for too much, which is not used, than too little and then you find yourself short. I believe the figure 1have quoted makes sense on that basis…”
“I will have responsibility for the day to day conduct of this matter. If it is appropriate for someone else in the company to deal with your work I will, of course, let you know. You will be kept informed of the progress of matters and if you have any queries, please let us know… Should you ever be dissatisfied with the service any of us is providing, please let me know straight away and we will provide you with a copy of our Complaints Procedure Policy.… … We have discussed the fees for this matter, and we have confirmed that I will charge an hourly rate of£350 plus VAT. Although I will be dealing with this matter on a day to day basis, if I delegate routine work to my colleagues to help keep the costs down, their time will be charged at an hourly rate of£250 plus VAT. We have agreed to start with a meeting at my office next Thursday which I will run with one of my colleagues, but I will only charge for my time. We will invoice you on a regular basis to help keep you up to date with fees and will keep you informed of developments. All hourly rates are exclusive of VAT and disbursements, which are expenses that I may incur on your behalf. It may be necessary for us to engage other professionals in relation to this project, such as a barrister. In that eventuality, I will discuss the appointment of any such professional and the payment of fees with you in advance. I further confirm that I will not exceed any maximum figure we have agreed unless there are any unforeseen complications with the respective transactions, in which case we will discuss the matter further before any additional work is undertaken. It is obviously difficult at this stage to give you any costs estimate, as we do not know how the matter is going to develop, or what steps you are likely to want to take. For this reason, I would suggest that we agree on the fees on a step by step basis. I propose to send you invoices for our fees incurred on this matter as soon as each agreed step has been concluded. Payment of our invoices should be made in full within 14 days of receipt… In the event that you have any concerns regarding my charges or the level of my fees, you are entitled to complain. Should you wish to complain, please ask for a copy of our Complaints Procedure Policy. If you are still dissatisfied with any steps we take to resolve the matter, you can complain to the Legal Ombudsman whose details are contained in the Complaints Procedure Policy. You also have the right to object to any invoice we render by applying to the Court for an assessment of the bill underPart III of the Solicitors Act 1974 . Kleyman & Co is committed to high quality advice and client care. If you are unhappy about any aspect of the service you have received or about the bill, please do not hesitate to contact me by e-mail, post or phone. If you are not satisfied with our handling of your complaint you can ask the Legal Ombudsman… to consider the complaint. In the meantime, please do not hesitate to contact me if you require any further explanation or information concerning anything in this letter or the enclosed Terms and Conditions…”
“… We charge fees which are fair and reasonable taking into account various factors such as the complexity of the matter, the time spent on it, the amount of money Involved, whether the transaction is completed, the skill required, and the responsibility taken. It is our normal practice to apply an hourly rate which reflects the general nature of the work and the time which the fee-earner spends on it. The time spent on a matter is calculated in units of 6 minutes. Time incurred on your affairs will include meetings with you and perhaps others; any time spent travelling; considering, preparing, and working on papers; correspondence; and making and receiving telephone calls. The resulting sum is then reviewed In light of the factors referred to above in order to arrive at an amount which is fair and reasonable. If your instructions require us to work outside normal office hours, or the case becomes more complex than expected, we reserve the right to increase our fees. Our charges are not contingent on the outcome of the case… Although we will always attempt to provide a realistic estimate of the range of our charges, unexpected additional work or other complications may arise and we reserve the right to revise our estimates and charge higher fees. Should it appear that we are likely to exceed the upper end of any estimate, we will notify you as soon as possible. Our bills will be rendered in arrears and will include all charges and out-of-pocket expenses incurred up to the date indicated on the bill. In all cases, our bills will dearly specify the period to which they relate and what services they cover… We request that our bills are paid no later than 14 days after the date they are issued. If in any particular case you anticipate payment will be delayed, please discuss this with us at the earliest opportunity… Sometimes we are able to work on a fixed fee basis. This might be for a specific part of a case, such as drafting a letter, or it might be for a whole project, such as buying a business. In all cases of fixed fee work, our Engagement Letter will confirm not only the fixed fee, but also our hourly rate for anything undertaken in addition to the work being covered by the fixed fee. If we are asked to do anything that is over and above the work included in the fixed fee, it will automatically be charged at the hourly rate quoted, and the next invoice will clearly set out what work is covered by the fixed fee, and what work is being charged on an hourly basis… We are happy to discuss reasonable arrangements in relation to costs at the outset of the retainer. We can, for example, provide you with estimates of costs in advance, or at regular intervals during the matter, or let you know when costs reach a certain level. This would need to be requested by you, in writing, at the time of instruction. We have prepared a briefing note on litigation and litigation costs, which is available on request…”
“On reflection, all three solicitors would make promises to me of most supporting things concerning my husband and their ability to get to the bottom of it, promise the most encouraging things with regards to the outcome of my divorce, and how much it would cost. At every stage the new firm of solicitors would complain how each other’s fees were too much and how I had been overcharged. All three completely let me down. They simply did not deliver what was promised to me either in terms of outcome or cost.”
“I'm working on getting you a costs estimate for the rest of the case and hope to update you asap.”
“In order to keep you up to date on a budget going forward we have put together a brief estimate of fees. Obviously this is just an estimate so will be dependent on many factors as the matter progresses to the final hearing; including correspondence with Chris's solicitor and any application we may need to make for the lack of disclosure/unagreed points (as discussed previously). It also doesn't cover anything we need to deal with the children. I have also raised an invoice for the work we have undertaken in May up to last Friday,15 May 2020 , in order to update you more regularly than just monthly for the finances and children. Although we are only a few weeks in, we have managed to achieve a sizeable amount, and I hope you're pleased with the progress. In addition, once your statement is finalised, I am hopeful that there won't be a huge amount more to do for the moment. The main priority after the statement has been done will be to get all the information to Gavin for him to update his statement, and then we will be focusing on preparation for the hearing, but much of that has already been done In the run up to the last hearing. I have spoken to counsel who has given the following quote for fees… Fees for Reviewing the Section 25 statement will be on Katherine’s hourly rate of£250 plus VAT, therefore the fee will be dependent on how long it will take to review but I'd hope It won't be much more than around 3-4 hours... Fees for the FH will be£7,500 -£10,000 plus VAT on the Brief fee and refreshers of£2,500 plus VAT. So if we run for four days as currently listed, the most it should be is£21,000 … In terms of our time/fees going forward for preparation of documents/attendance at hearing, the things we know we are going to have to deal with include the following: Section 25 Witness statement- estimate of 10 hours… Review of doctors report once received - estimate of 1 hour… Review of information from Po-Zu Limited/Administrators of Secret Sales once received - estimate of 1-2 hours… Preliminary documents for hearing (chronology, statement of case etc.) - estimate of 1-2 hours… Updating disclosure - estimate of 1-2 hour… Obtaining an up to date report from Gavin… Brief to counsel - estimate of 1-2 hours… Preparation for hearing (bundle etc) - estimate of 4-5 hours (depending on the index)… In addition, I am assuming you will want Stephanie to attend at court with you for the final hearing, in which case there will be further fees, but we can discuss that a bit nearer the time. As you are aware, it is very difficult to predict what may come up and what correspondence we may need to have with a range of people e.g. other side, Mr B, counsel but the above gives you a guide of the outstanding matters...”
“… we have now applied for an extension on the Novitas Loan to cover all costs going forward. We have made an application for£60,000 based on the following estimations: Counsel’s fees: 1 . Reviewing S25 -£1,800 (6 hours - could be more) 2. Final hearing -£21,000 (4 day hearing) 3. Conference£3,000 Stephanie’s fees; 1 . Final hearing -£10,368 (based on 6 hours a day for 4 days) 2. Conference£864 (based on 2 hours) Other fees: 1. S25 statement finalisation with you and counsel 2. Consideration of missing disclosure 3. Hearing preparation 4. Prelim docs preparation 5. Updating disclosure 6. Brief to counsel 7. General running of file until hearing 8. Expert evidence Of course it is very difficult to estimate an exact figure and therefore we have based this on our knowledge of what else will need to be done and the quotes we have received from counsel. Obviously the fees for the general running of the file and any correspondence etc will all be based on how much needs to be done going forward and therefore this is very difficult to predict...”
“Oh my goodness Kathryn I hope this is worth it. I know I have no choice now. But it better be worth it. I really don't understand how we are going to court with all this missing, he should be paying for all this, as we are where we are due to his lies…”
“Hi Clare I hope you are well. From tomorrow we can draw down the Novitas loan so we will be putting in the application first thing in the morning. Please see the 3 invoices attached that are outstanding on your matter. July invoice:£10,998.20 August invoice:£26,118.40 September invoice:£64,522.94 These invoices include all disbursements (e.g. counsels fees/court fees etc) and the breakdown of all work done by the team. Please access the Novitas system In the morning in order to approve the draw down request. Please let me know if you have any questions…”
“So this includes everything and then we are done? I think Novitas will only do£60k won’t they? And I did check with Stephanie about this Tanners bill as well, which I was told was included. I need to go through the bill. I know we are fast approaching the end of the week as well, in terms of the closing statement, do I do anything today?”
“Hope you are ok and have recovered from the stress of the trial. Thank you for your help in getting Novitas sorted the other day- they are very nice, but not very efficient and we've often found it hard to get through to them on the phone or get answers from them. Just to help you keep up to date, I’m attaching statements from both accounts showing what we’ve recovered from Novitas and so what is outstanding. Whilst we are obviously close to the end of the case, there will still be more work to be done, particularly as the case didn’t finish on the time so there will be more work for KD and I to do than was originally budgeted for. We haven’t yet had the invoice from Quantuma for their work, so that needs to be factored in too. I know you’ve previously talked about having some capacity on credit cards and the possibility of taking out a loan. Please could you have a think about this and let me have your proposals so that we can agree the way forward.”
“… How are you, I really don’t know what to say, I was of the opinion there was not more work to be done now? I have no more money I am afraid, it will have to wait until the 6th October. I just have no money Stephanie. The loan isn’t going to come through until 6th October. “There should not be any more work now surely? Failing that, then Chris will have to pay for it. I am almost bankrupt, and none of this is my fault, I am pretty appalled… The man just won't stop...The fees will have to be paid on 6th from the settlement. He has£138,000 in the bank… (if the loan comes through before then, then I will put some of that towards it, but i need to rebuild my life with that money, as I am clearly going to be paid in assets… What would normally happen in this situation, where the wife has been made bankrupt by her husband?”
“Thank you for paying£1,000 last Monday and then£500 in the middle of the week … We also understood you were planning to pay£5,000 at some point last week, we have not yet received this so please can you come back to us as a matter of urgency. In the meantime, Stephanie and I have still been doing the necessary pieces of work on your matter, such as corresponding with Katherine about the final submissions, and therefore some more fees have been inevitably been incurred. We will be sending you an invoice shortly of the fees to date, to keep you up to date with the outstanding amount.”
“I have just left Stephanie a message. I have no money… I cannot afford to continue like this… Do not make me sell a house, please stop now if that is the case… I will have to go unrepresented on Tuesday or just with Katherine Dunseath, to save costs… There is no more work to be done, when I checked with Stephanie a couple of weeks ago she said there was no more to be done… Please stop spending money, I am terrified… I checked with Stephanie when I spoke to her last, and have not replied to her last email, due to costs. The case cannot continue like this. I cannot afford to appeal. Please stop spending money on this when we are merely waiting for the judge to decide my future… I have transferred another£1,000 this afternoon from my rental payment. And£2,000 from my Chelsea. I cannot get hold of any more money without paying interest. And I thought all fees were settled next Tuesday… This cannot continue, as I cannot sell any of my properties – not after all this. I am really unwell, and I have 2 kids with me full time … I thought Tuesday would be sorted, I will raise finance on one of the properties to pay you, not sell a house. Where is the justice in this case. No woman would accept any of what has gone on. and I keep being pushed back. And sent bills for doing so... I was of the opinion everything would draw to a close on Tuesday, as I have been hit hard by all this, All the money that has been unaccounted for I am told to just suck it up, yet a huge bill on top. Do not escalate any more, without letting me know what costs exactly please... Katherine Dunseath should not need anything further?… NB Final Submissions needs to include large inaccuracies on Form E, and concealment.”
“Clare thank you for your email. I did try to call you back and left you a VM, but as time is short and I am in meetings for most of the rest of today and a large part of tomorrow, I wanted to send you an email. … I need you to think about this very carefully and let me know clearly what it is that you want me to do. On the one hand you are saying that we are not to do anything else, but on the other hand you are asking us to more things. You’ve said below that there was no more work to be done but you know that that is not the case because of the number of emails and phone calls we have had doing more work. I appreciate you are worried about costs, and if you tell me not to do anything more, then I will of course follow your instructions, but that will involve me coming off the record and not being involved in the judgment next week and as KD does not do direct access, she will not be able to continue for you either. I should add that the cost of her and my being involved next week is negligible compared to what has been spent so far, and it is a worthwhile investment to make sure you are protected on Tuesday from any costs applications that are made against you, but this is, as always, entirely a matter for you. So I need you to carefully consider what we do next. Can I please have very brief answers to the following: 1. Do you want me to carry on and agree to be responsible for my fees, to be payable from whatever settlement you get or 2. Do you want me to stop, and KD and I will do nothing further and will not be present on Tuesday. If you want us to continue, can you please give me clear instructions on what you want me to do, remembering that the final submissions have already been made and we cannot submit anything further at this stage. I hope that helps and I look forward to hearing from you...”
“Of course I need you and Katherine Dunseath for Tuesday. I need to know at what cost, the impression I got from the email was that it would not stop there, as there will be further work afterwards. But no one will tell me what I should be expecting let alone what I was entitled to. The costs have escalated way out of control, due to lack of disclosure, and it will not be proportionate to what the settlement is. Someone needs to give me some reassurance Stephanie, either yourself or Katherine Dunseath. This was a circa£7,000,000 "sharing· case" all day long, and I feel like I am being told to accept what I am given as I can't afford to fight it anymore. That is not "Fair and Just", what was fair was half of the above figure, now it looks like it will be a great deal less than that due to Mr Griffin, and his barrister. The case has been based on Iles, and I am told I have to suck it up. I did just that. How many women would be happy watching their Ex blowing£4,000,000 in 2 years, knowing he has plenty tucked away somewhere - I had to because I was told to trust the system, I did, now what? I went through a great deal of Trauma with this man and I am told not to-mention it - so I did not. Where is the justice? You and Katherine are all I have to sort this out. I passed the case to you, as I believed you will do just that. I kept Katherine, and hopefully the judge will think I am not a nightmare for changing solicitors, which i needed to do, as I stuck with Katherine. My clear instructions are to get me what I am entitled to in view of what the man has done. - He has spent my share, despite being told not to, and he has destroyed my life. - yet I have been dignified right the way through. Just because I was stressed and horribly intimidated in the witness box, should not affect what I am entitled to, and should not "damage my case", as I was beaten down, particularly in view of the history of our marriage, which the judge was not made aware of. I am sure you have made the Judge aware there was concealment, errors, and deliberate inaccuracies (quite a few) on his Form E particularly in view of bank accounts, bank balances declared, and property values. If not what do we do? I have been evidenced based and honest, and had to fight with one arm behind my back, all the way through this process, again this is not “fair and just". What will it cost to conclude this? Can we please come to an agreeable figure to conclude with everything I have paid so far, which is a substantial amount and not proportionate, to settlement… The reason I came to you in the beginning was because I believe in you, but I have not got what was needed, which was full disclosure, which means the settlement is going to be based on his lies. If I get what I should be entitled to then I will be saying thank you, in more ways than one. Novitas is considered a black debt and has to be paid before anything else. ie before settlement. (I am not sure Chris is aware of this, but that is a fact, the independent solicitor's I had to pay£250 for, in order to get Novitas agreed, told me this)… The extra amount will hopefully be dealt with on Tuesday. Don't forget I have already contributed to Chris's costs as he has paid with marital funds which is the marital pot. I will make the decision if I want to appeal on the day. But let's hope it won't come to that, as it should not have to go to appeal.”
“Where there is simply no estimate at all for the costs in dispute, then the guidance that I would give is that… the costs judge should consider whether and if so to what extent the costs claimed would have been significantly lower if there had been an estimate given at the time when it should have been given. If the situation is that an estimate was given, but not updated, the first part of the guidance given in Leigh v Michelin Tyre plc[2004] 1 WLR 846 can be applied here. The guidance was as follows, at para 26: ‘First, the estimates made by solicitors of the overall likely costs of the litigation should usually provide a useful yardstick by which the reasonableness of the costs finally claimed may be measured. If there is a substantial difference between the estimated costs and the costs claimed, that difference calls for an explanation. In the absence of a satisfactory explanation, the court may conclude that the difference itself is evidence from which it can conclude that the costs claimed are unreasonable.’ However, the above guidance is at a very general level. Like the court in the Leigh case, I would stress that the guidance given above is not exhaustive since it is impossible to foresee all the differing circumstances that might arise in any individual assessment.”
“Solicitors are entitled to reasonable remuneration for their services: sees 15 of the Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982 . In considering what is reasonable remuneration, the court will want to know why particular items of work were carried out and ask whether it was reasonable for the solicitors to do that work and for the client to be expected to pay for it… The estimate is a useful yardstick by which the reasonableness of the costs may be measured. If there is a modest difference between the estimate and the final bill, because an estimate is not a fixed price for the work, one may be very little surprised by the modest difference. The greater the difference, the more it calls for an explanation. If there is a satisfactory explanation for the difference then the estimate may cease to be useful as a yardstick with which to measure reasonableness. Conversely, if there is no satisfactory explanation the estimate may remain a very useful yardstick with which to measure reasonableness... … (Wong v Vizards [1997] 2 Costs LR 46) …is an authority at first instance, prior to Leigh v Michelin Tyre plc, of a case where there was reliance by a client on his own solicitor's estimate. The judge in that case… indicated that ‘regard should be had’ to the level of costs the client had been led to believe he would have to pay. The question was then expressed as to whether it was reasonable for the client to pay much more than the estimated costs. In my judgment, the proper response to this decision is to hold that the court in that case was finding that, for the purpose of assessing reasonable remuneration payable to the solicitor, it is relevant as a matter of law to ask: ‘what in all the circumstances it is reasonable for the client to be expected to pay?’ Thus, even if the solicitor has spent a reasonable time on reasonable items of work and the charging rate is reasonable, the resulting figure may exceed what it is reasonable in all the circumstances to expect the client to pay, and to the extent that the figure does exceed what is reasonable to expect the client to pay, the excess is not recoverable.”
“I was in considerable doubt about making the switch at the time, but was persuaded. If they had told me that they could not achieve what they set out to do, or that it would end up costing me over£180,000 to do so, I would never have switched instruction to them in the first place… I feel very let down by my solicitors. They knew that I had financial difficulties when I instructed them, and they had all the information they needed to give me an accurate estimate of costs. If they had told me the cost would be£180,000 to act for me, I would not have instructed Stephanie but would have looked elsewhere. If I had been given an accurate estimate, then I could at least have approached other firms and obtained quotes for them to act. Kleyman’s failure to tell me what this case would cost has meant I lost the opportunity to explore alternative options.”