“Stay still, don’t move”
“it was necessary for the facts to be ascertained before making any rulings at all about what question or questions I should leave to the jury……”
“black male, black cap (subsequently he said hat), black jacket, second carriage of the train as I entered. I believe black hat was in the description.”
“I saw Mr Gerber and thought that was the man I was looking for, black male, black cap, long sleeved black coat. I’m looking at him as a threat. His hands were then raised.”
“50. Second, questions 1 and 2 are simply, on analysis, not relevant or necessary to determine objective reasonableness. In the first place, it is accepted that Mr Gerber was in fact wearing a shirt and tie and he seemed to be wearing a shirt and tie when he stands up, and that is viewed with complete clarity on the CCTV material, thus it would of itself be absurd to leave any such question when, on the Claimant’s own case, he was wearing a shirt and tie and was seen to be objectively to be wearing a shirt and tie. But, even if Sergeant Hurren did not see it – and the Claimant in this regard seems to rely, submitted Mr Waters, on the image of scarf around the Claimant’s neck at page 27 of the jury bundle – at most, an honest mistake has been made by Sergeant Hurren and there is ample other evidence of objective reasonableness, and so to leave the question to the jury is superfluous, unnecessary and therefore not a question or questions that the jury should consider at all. There was ample evidence of objective reasonableness deriving from the detailed description and the demeanour and the location of the suspect. Thus, there is the objective evidence beyond any challenge or dispute that Sergeant Hurren was looking for a black man in a black coat, wearing a black hat, and that detail corresponded to the Claimant. There is the objective unchallenged evidence that the officer did not, as it were, alight only immediately upon the Claimant because there was at least one, if not two, other black males on the train who did not fit the description but then there is the demeanour described by Mr Waters as vital because the Claimant stood out not merely because of the detailed description but because his demeanour was different to other passengers, and that was not challenged. It was different because he looked suspicious; he looked guilty. It was the way he looked at the officer and it must be remembered, submitted Mr Waters, that this was an emergency situation where there was a real and imminent risk to life and limb, and the officer did not have the advantage, in the objective circumstance that prevailed, of taking much time to assess; he had to use his judgment honestly and, submitted Mr Waters, reasonably, and that he did because it was not just the demeanour and looking different to other passengers but, in addition, there is the unchallenged objective evidence which can be seen on the CCTV of the Claimant actually leaning or reaching to the right, regarded by Sergeant Hurren as reaching for a gun, and that is a critical piece of additional information and evidence and so, Mr Waters submitted, questions 1 and 2 are utterly otiose. ” 51. The reasonableness objectively must be justified, submitted Mr Waters, by virtue of the strands of ascertained, objective evidence to which I have referred, in sum, the remainder of the detailed description, the demeanour, the location of where the was and the act of reaching or leaning to his right. So, Mr Waters, submitted that, if I were to leave questions 1 and 2 to the jury, in the final analysis, the answer to that question or those questions could not possibly inform any ruling of law that I have to make on objective reasonableness. So, he submitted therefore, on analysis, those questions should not be left and were determinative of nothing.”
“I am fully satisfied that such a question is not relevant to, and cannot in any way be determinative of, objective reasonable suspicion for the reasons I have given, for the officer said in evidence he saw the shirt and the tie. Mr Gerber was wearing a shirt and a tie. That can clearly be seen on the CCTV and so I agree with Mr Waters that it would seem absurd to leave such a question. But of much greater importance than that is that, even if Sergeant Hurren did not see it at the time, at most, he made an honest mistake and that could not conceivably make his use of force objectively unreasonable. So, the answer must be that the questions should not be left and, in the end, I am quite clear about that. This was a carefully planned police operation given the shortness of time. There was to be a pincer movement. There was, as I have said, a detailed description of the black male, black coat, black hat, and the rationale for the use of force involving the demeanour, the look of suspicion and the leaning and movement to the right. In my judgment, Sergeant Hurren, on the uncontradicted and unchallenged evidence, had an honest and reasonable suspicion, he made a reasonable dynamic risk assessment on the information even without a shirt and tie and, with his vision and hearing tunnelled and focused, in my judgment, it must be reasonable in all the circumstances. So, I would regard any question on the shirt and the tie to be superfluous to the justification for his use of force, which was, on analysis, reasonable in all of the circumstances. Thus, I decline that to leave any such question.” decline that to leave any such question.”
“65…. In my judgment, there was a mere accusation without any evidential foundation from Ms Morris in cross examination, an allegation of racial bias with a dictionary definition from Ms Morris, but that is not evidence and I agree with Mr Waters that there is no cogent positive evidence of racial bias in this case. The officers’ unchallenged evidence was that they were looking for a black male. There is no evidence of racial bias, nor any such evidence which it would be permissible for the jury to consider.”
“66…… the whole of question 4 is irrelevant and not determinative of any cause of action. In the first place, Sergeant Hurren expressly disavowed the Stetson for the reasons given and he said it was a misrepresentation of the evidence. Constable Scoulding did not himself rely upon the shirt and the tie and it would be quite wrong, in my judgment, to capture his unchallenged evidence in the form of a question which is not in any way determinative of any cause of action. ”
“Any answer on the undisputed evidence is that Constable Scoulding used no more than reasonable, necessary and proportionate force in pressing his taser into Mr Gerber’s chest. First, see the CCTV. Second, he explained his reasons why to prevent disruption of the barbs in this confined space within the carriage and the greater danger to other passengers and the risk to them, and that was not challenged in cross examination. In any event, third, there is no challenge to the proposition, and nor could there be, that Constable Scoulding used less lethal force to protect the suspect. There was no issue raised as to training. The taser was deployed in accordance with the training. There was no issue that the angled drive stun was what Constable Scoulding was trained and required to do in the situation and in the circumstances that faced him in the heat of the moment. Constable Scoulding, in my judgment, honestly and reasonably believed that Mr Gerber had a gun and therefore there was the need to protect Mr Gerber and all of the other passengers. This use of force cannot possibly be said to be disproportionate or excessive. All the evidence adduced plainly makes it clear that there is no dispute and I reach the clear conclusion that there was honest and reasonable use of force. There was honest suspicion that Mr Gerber had a gun. Sergeant Hurren believed honestly and reasonably that Mr Gerber was reaching for the gun. It is untenable to suggest that the force used by Constable Scoulding, which must have been reasonable, should not have been applied to contain the situation, i.e. the threat that was faced at the time. Fourth, in the situation faced by Constable Scoulding, the possibility of the taser and the contact with the chest was reasonable and there was no other action which he could properly or reasonably have taken. Finally, what he did was an essential part of his training. He was trained to use the angled drive stun. It was reasonable for him so to do and, in the circumstances, I simply could not search for a question that could properly be left to the jury when in the circumstances of this case, the only answer to the use of the force in all of the circumstances would be that the force used was reasonable.”
“The learned Judged erred in law and/or there was a serious procedural or other irregularity in the following respects: 1. In deciding that there were no disputed issues of fact that the jury was required to determine and in discharging the jury without them having returned a verdict. 2. In dismissing the Claimant’s claim in favour of the Defendant in the circumstances.”
“if a Constable has reasonable grounds to suspect a person of having a firearm with him in a public place….. the Constable may search that person and may detain him for the purpose of doing so.” ii)Section 117 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 : “where any provision of this Act – (a) Confers a power on a Constable…. the officer may use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of the power”. iii)Section 3 Criminal Law Act 1967 : “Use of force in making arrest etc. (1) A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large.”
“The question….. as to whether or not there are reasonable grounds for suspicion will depend upon the evidence which is before the fact finding tribunal. A Judge can only rule, as a matter of law, that the officers had, or did not have, reasonable grounds for suspicion when the factual evidence, including that which is and is not in dispute, establishes that to be the position.”
“….. it will often be unwise for a trial Judge to withdraw issues from the jury and by the same token unwise for counsel to invite them to do so. Only when it is plain that one verdict alone would be rational and any other perverse should the issue be withdrawn. The risk of a successful Appeal and the disproportionate expense of a re-trial is otherwise too great.”
“14. Whether or not a police officer assaults a citizen using excessive force may well be a question of mixed law and fact and may, where the only issue to be tried is one of assault, be a question for the Judge. But, if a jury has been empanelled…. the factual issues as opposed to clear matters of law, should be left to the jury to decide.”
“If he withdrew the issue of reasonableness on the basis that there (were) no factual findings for the jury to make and taking the appellant’s case at its highest, the only finding open to the jury was that the use of the spray was reasonable, in my view, he was entitled to do.”
“It is for the Judge to decide what facts given in evidence are relevant to the question of whether the Defendant acted reasonably. It is thus for him to decide, in the event of a conflict of evidence, what finding of fact is relevant and requisite to enable him to decide that question. But a jury is entitled to base findings of fact only on the evidence called before it and, as in any other jury trial, it is for the Judge in an action for false imprisonment or malicious prosecution to decide whether the evidence on a relevant matter does raise any issue of fact fit to be left to a jury. If there is no real conflict of evidence, there is no issue of fact calling for determination by the jury. This applies not only to issues of facts as to what happened, on which the Judge has to base his determination whether the Defendant acted reasonably, but also to the issue of fact whether the Defendant acted honestly, which, if there is sufficient evidence to raise this issue, is one for the jury. For the reasons already indicated, however, where is there reasonable and probable cause for an arrest or prosecution, the Judge should not leave this issue to the jury except in the highly unlikely event that there is cogent positive evidence that, despite the actual existence of reasonable and probable cause, the Defendant himself did not believe that it existed: see Glinski v McIver.”
“(1) PS Hurren and Constable Scoulding honestly believed that the Claimant was the suspect with the gun. There was no challenge to that conclusion and nor on the evidence could there have been. The evidence was, in my judgment, all one way. There is no, nor was there any, cogent evidence whatsoever that the officers did not honestly believe that Mr Gerber was the suspect. The evidence all points to establishing that honest belief based on the information they received, their attendance at the scene, the briefing that took place, the detailed description of the suspect, PS Hurren’s detailed description of the Claimant’s demeanour and his actions. Thus, I am bound to conclude that there was honest belief on the part of the officers that Mr Gerber was the suspect. Indeed, within less than 30 seconds or so of the identification of the Claimant as the suspect, the mistake itself was recognised and Mr Gerber was released. (2) In my judgment, Sergeant Hurren and Constable Scoulding, on all of the evidence, had objective reasonable grounds to suspect that the Claimant was the man with the gun. The description given of the suspect on which the officers relied, namely black man, black, hat, black coat, shirt and tie in the case of PS Hurren (to which I shall refer below), sitting in the second carriage on this particular demarcated train at platform 3 London-bound from Norwood Junction, cannot on the evidence be gainsaid. On all of the evidence that this was an accurate description and a detailed one and it was reasonable for the officers to rely upon it. (3) In my judgment, the appearance of Mr Gerber matched the description. It was very unfortunate for him that JL also matched the description and that he was also on the train but a few feet away within the same carriage. (4) In my judgment, the Claimant’s demeanour and his actions were also of relevance. They were relevant and they informed the objective reasonableness of PS Hurren’s actions. On seeing the Claimant’s expression, PS Hurren interpreted his facial expression as suspicious, a guilty look, and the Claimant immediately moved to his right. That was relevant. That can be seen on the footage. He could have been reaching for a gun. That adds to the objective reasonableness of the suspicion of the officers. (5) An objective reasonable response from PS Hurren was a response to the emergency of the moment. He had to make a critical evaluation of the danger without the luxury of time. In my judgment, having considered all of the evidence, it cannot be said that his judgment was unreasonable and, to that extent, I declined to leave a question to the jury on that question. (6) Of relevance to the care taken by Sergeant Hurren is that he did make an enquiry about the brimmed or Stetson hat worn by the suspect but the CAD records at 323, 10:52, “Black hat” and that was confirmed by Constable Greaves. (7) Therefore, in my judgment, the information relied upon by Sergeant Hurren and Constable Scoulding, including the Claimant’s detailed description, the facial expression, his demeanour and the movement to his right, demonstrated reasonable grounds to suspect. The objective reasonable suspicion was, in my judgment, satisfied on the undisputed evidence without the need for any question to be posed to the jury. (8) The force used by the officers is clearly captured from the two angles of the CCTV. In my judgment, upon analysis, there is no factual dispute for the jury on reasonable use of force. In this case, the only answer to that question on reasonableness must be that the force used both by Sergeant Hurren and Constable Scoulding was reasonable, proportionate, necessary and accordingly justified and lawful. Of course, I have had in mind the case of Pollard and the observations made by Henry LJ in that case, but that was a very different case. In this case, in my judgment, the answer to the question can only be that the force used was reasonable. I accept, as I have made clear, that there will be other cases where the force used involves mixed law and fact and requires a question for the jury. On the unchallenged evidence of this case, this case is not one of those examples. If there was a question of mixed fact and law on the use of force used such as required an answer from the jury, I repeat that I would have formulated that question. But, having carefully considered the matter, I have reached the clear conclusion that there is no such question.”
“it was wide eyes, but instead of the shock he almost got nervous panic that other people had had. The man’s face set, his jaw set; he maintained eye contact with me and he looked at me and the other thing is when he didn’t lose eye contact”
“I’m not saying I didn’t see him; I’m saying that if I did see him I had either for some reason didn’t register what it was or I’d already seen Mr Gerber or saw Mr Gerber at the same time, but my – I think the phrase used – dynamic risk assessment was I’ve seen Mr Gerber and then everything gets tunnelled on him, I’m afraid.”
“Q. What I’m going to suggest is that if you had a similar description…if you had a white person, white jacket, white hat that wouldn’t be enough; you wouldn’t hone in on somebody who had just that, you would need more information? A. It would depend, I think. I would hope for more information, but if there was so few people on the train matching that description and that person did something else to arouse my suspicion, then it would be a contributing factor but I would certainly never act on bias alone or even bias at all; it’s just not right.”
“There is no evidence of racial bias, nor any such evidence which it would be permissible for a jury to consider.”
“I wouldn’t have thought so, I don’t know. No, not all of them.”
“I couldn’t tell you. I’m really sorry, I don’t know. That’s not ….I was going to say that I think – this is quite rude – worthy of an answer. That is not this case at all.”
“Not entirely. I think I can because I can rely on my colleague; I have to, and in the kind of work we do I have to rely on my colleague. If he says there’s no mention of it, then I’ve misheard it or it hasn’t been in relation to our subject. I’m sorry; I can put it to the back of my mind rather than clearing it completely..”
“42. The factual dispute was whether Constable Scoulding had only the information he claimed to have had or whether he had in fact more information. If Constable Scoulding had more information, it could not have been reasonable to have acted as he did towards the Appellant simply on the basis that he was a black man, in a black hat and a black coat or jacket. Again, this question ought to have been left to the jury to establish whether what the officer said provided him with reasonable grounds to detain was in fact the basis upon which he was detained.”
“I now formed the opinion that (JL) was the identical male for which the information was given.”
“If he withdrew the issue of reasonableness on the basis that there (were) no factual findings for the jury to make and taking the appellant’s case at its highest, the only finding open to the jury was that the use of the spray was reasonable…he was entitled to do so”
“would unhesitatingly reach the same conclusions as the judge”
“Well, I only have one hand on his right hand. So his left hand is still free”
“So when he acts compliantly there isn’t any need for additional force to be used, is there?”, Constable Scoulding replied: “There is force to be used up until a point where I know that that person is not in possession of a firearm.”