“There was no way I was going to take any risks with our precious baby.”
“Small amount of thick meconium and blood-stained liquor draining on inco pad.”
“CTG review → 2? late decelerations Plan – epidural FBS ”
“C [contractions]: 4:10 strong/regular p/a [per abdomen] → 2/5 cephalic p/v → Cx [cervix] 8cm, OA, L + caput at spines No moulding CTG: BR [base rate]: 165, V [variability] < 5 x 30 mins A [accelerations]: nil D [decelerations]: atypical variable O [overall]: pathological FBS [Fetal blood sample] → pH: 7.28, BE [base excess]: -2.8 → epidural → r/v [review] CTG 1 hour → v/e [vaginal examination]: 2 hours → continue Syntocinon.”
“[SL] having the urge to push, the room prepared for delivery. I went out to bleep the Obs anaesthetist, no resp and the MWIC [Midwife in Charge] Miatta Kparkra was informed and asked to answer the telephone if the anaesthetist respond to the bleep.” p/a [per abdomen] → 2/5 cephalic p/v → Cx [cervix] 8cm, OA, L + caput at spines No moulding CTG: BR [base rate]: 165, V [variability] < 5 x 30 mins A [accelerations]: nil D [decelerations]: atypical variable O [overall]: pathological FBS [Fetal blood sample] → pH: 7.28, BE [base excess]: -2.8 → epidural → r/v [review] CTG 1 hour → v/e [vaginal examination]: 2 hours → continue Syntocinon.”
“- v/e [vaginal examination] in one hour If fully [dilated] allow one hour for head descent (passive) CTG r/v [review] in 30 min : explain need for further FBS [fetal blood sample] if indicated.”
“Whilst debriefing patient after FBS, fetal bradycardia to 90 bpm noticed. Emergency buzzer pressed – decision for crash CS [caesarean section] at 13.55. Anaesthetist and theatres informed by myself. Both theatres currently occupied with C sections. Mr Mascarenhas called to attend. He examined patient in room Cx [cervix] fully, Ceph, ROL [right occipital lateral] at spines NOT deliverable in room Patient transferred to theatre by myself and midwife.”
“Patient debriefed/was seen by neonatal team.”
“I was examined by a junior female Indian doctor and then examined by another doctor, Dr Christopoulos. They said that the head was engaged and a blood sample was taken from the baby’s head. They said the results were “7.25”, which they said was average so they would continue to proceed with a natural delivery. At this point I was in extreme pain and said, ‘please, just chop me, what are you waiting for?’ meaning that I wanted a caesarean section. Dr Christopoulos said, ‘we are trying to avoid this route.’ My husband asked why they were avoiding this, to which Dr Christopoulos replied, ‘This is a major surgery with six weeks recovery time.’ Midwife Kako-Are [expressed] further concerns about the baby’s heart rate dipping and then at around 12pm Dr Christopoulos examined me again and said that I was 8 cm. Another blood sample was taken and reported as 7.25. Dr Christopoulos said that we should wait another hour and get me to deliver vaginally. I asked for an epidural and I was given one at around 12.15pm. After around 20 mins I felt much more coherent and relaxed as the pain disappeared and I started talking and joking with my husband and sister.”
“I requested a caesarean section at 07.25 – why did this not take place?”
“It is [SL]’s evidence that she requested caesarean section at around the time result of fetal blood sampling was available and was normal at pH 7.28 and base excess -2.8 mmol/L. This was around 1040. She recalls using the words ‘please just chop me, what are you waiting for?’ or words of a similar obvious gist. It is overwhelmingly probable that, had she been invited to consider her options for delivery about 0936, 0942 etc, she would have expressed a preference for caesarean section. If it had been recommended by the obstetrician, there was no prospect at all of her choosing not to accept such a recommendation. The response to such decelerations would or should have been to discuss with SL the options for delivery including caesarean section. That discussion would have taken the form of an explanation of the risks and benefits of vaginal delivery and of caesarean section. … It is not contended that delivery by caesareans section was mandatory at this time. However if a request from [SL] for delivery by caesarean section had resulted from such a discussion it would not have been appropriate management to refuse that request.”
“Despite the description of the CTG at this stage as “pathological”, a fetal blood sample was carried out which was normal. [SL] was 8cms dilated by about 10:40, so therefore was making good progress in labour. In the presence of a normal fetal blood sample, and 8cms dilatation and good progress in labour no reasonable obstetrician would have offered a caesarean section at this stage, and it would have been wrong to do so. No reasonable obstetrician would have suggested to [SL] that caesarean section was an option for her if she wished.”
“(h) failing instead to pay any or any sufficient weight to [SL’s] request for caesarean section at or around 1040; (i) In effect refusing her clear request for caesarean section at around 1040; (j) If her clear request was not to be acceded to, failing to discuss her options for delivery at that time such that she was permitted to understand that she could opt for delivery by caesarean section if it was her choice.”
“It is neither admitted nor denied that [SL] request a caesarean section, but even if she did, there was no indication or good reason to perform one at 10.40, nor would it be reasonable or normal practice – in the absence of a good reason for a change in the pre-planned decision to attempt a natural birth – to advise a woman that a caesarean section was an option when there was no good reason to perform one. There was good progress in labour and the factors itemised in paragraph 16 were not sufficient to prompt a discussion about altering the plan for natural birth. They were factors that are seen frequently in labour and would – if taken to mandate presenting the option of a caesarean section – require obstetric staff to offer caesarean section in many labours, many of which result in successful natural births.”
“(8) If, at around 10.20-10.40 Mrs Luca “demanded” (Mr Forbes’ description) or “requested” (Mr Tuffnell’s description) a caesarean section, what should have been the response of the hospital staff and why should they have responded in the way that the experts say they should have responded? DJT If the woman or her partner ask about caesarean section then it is appropriate to explain the risks of the procedure, the present assessment of the progress of labour and fetal wellbeing and provide an indication as to whether the procedure would be medically indicated. It would also be appropriate to indicate how further information about fetal wellbeing could be obtained (a fetal blood sample), and options for analgesia for the labour. Generally a consensus view should be reached between clinicians and the couple. PF: This was not a maternal request for caesarean section without medical indication. Some obstetricians would have offered it earlier in light of prelabour thick meconium. There had been CTG abnormalities and Mrs Luca would have been aware of the midwife’s concerns. It was predictable that FBS would give a normal result. It was not the condition of the baby at the time which was a possible indication for caesarean section, but the concatenation of circumstances and events which might herald future problems. She would need to understand the risks and benefits of carrying on and of caesarean section, as outlined at Annex B of PF’s report. Caesarean section is widely performed without medical indication (e.g. after previous caesarean section). (9) What risks/benefits of either carrying on with the labour or having a caesarean section should have been explained to Mrs Luca and in what terms? DJT It would be usual to explain the nature of caesarean section, the surgical risk and the increased period of recovery as well as the potential impact on future pregnancies. It would be appropriate at that point to indicate the CTG shows features of concern but that it would be usual to assess the condition of the baby further and then make a plan for the rest of the labour. PF: Refers to Annex B of his report. (10) In particular, should Mrs Luca have been advised/warned about possible risks to the baby of continuing with the labour? We agreed: See q9 (11) If there was such a demand or request and after the explanations referred to in question (9) and (10) above had been given, Mrs Luca had insisted at that stage on having a caesarean section, how should a reasonable obstetrician respond in these circumstances to such a demand/request? DJT It would be usual to give the family time to consider the information provided, arrange senior review and then come to a consensus as to the best approach. Ultimately if despite medical advice to the contrary the woman was clear that she wished CS then that would be performed. It would be extremely unusual in my experience for the woman to persist with a request, counselled appropriately. PF: The obstetrician would be obliged to agree to carry out the section. I agree that the consultant should at least be informed, and would be obliged to attend in person if s/he (the consultant) did not grant permission.”
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“As a result of Mr Forbes being able to read in some detail all the unredacted notes in accordance with Your Lordship’s order of yesterday, he has been able to find out a great deal more detail about the procedures that were taking place on the other patients. Having considered all those matters Mr Forbes has reached a view that the criticisms he has made in his report of the Defendant not having a theatre available when the terminal bradycardia occurred at something like 13.50 on that afternoon is not one that he now feels that can be sustained. The reason for that is that the emergency that arose in relation to the patient who had to be delivered unexpectedly and who was occupying Theatre 1 was not one that could reasonably have been predicted. It occurred at a time when the elective caesarean section had already gone into Theatre 2.”
“21. … A blood sample was taken from the baby’s head. I was told that the result was 7.25, which they said was within the reasonable range and I remember them saying that they would continue to proceed with a normal delivery. 22. I couldn’t understand why they were delaying delivering the baby because in my mind, it had been a very long time since I first saw the meconium the day before. I believed the meconium was there as a warning and then the Midwife had been unhappy several times with the baby’s heart rate. I was worried and in pain and I clearly remember saying, “Please, just chop me, what are you waiting for?” meaning that I wanted a caesarean section. 23. Dr Christopoulos said that they were trying to avoid this route and when my husband asked why, Mr Christopoulos said that this is major surgery with six weeks recovery time. I don’t remember him saying anything else about the caesarean section or about the baby’s condition.”
“I’m very good at picking up on body language and at remembering things that are said.”
“Please just chop me, what are you waiting for”
“I haven’t made assumptions of that. I thought we would have a discussion around it.”
“No I didn’t. Because I would have expected they would come back and have that discussion with me. Because – I put my trust in them to make the right decision”
“They said it was borderline. And, for me, borderline is neither good nor bad and for someone who is quite fearful, borderline doesn’t sound good.”
“Am I right in thinking it was the second one rather than the first one?”
“It could have been the second one.”
“Q: What I suggest to you is that the result of the fetal blood sample came back and you were told that it was normal. So, what was it that suddenly changed, you now having been told you had a normal fetal blood sample, so [ML]’s ok. What was it at that point that suddenly made you say for god’s sake or words to that effect just chop me and get him out? A: There’d been nothing that made me feel secure and reassured, particularly, throughout and it was still in the back of my mind that there was meconium, and the meconium had been there from a good few hours before, and at the back of my mind I had remembered in the ante-natal classes that they said: all the things you remember, the one sign you are going to worry about is going to be when there is meconium because it means distress. It means the [baby] is in danger, it means that you know they will need to act. That was the red flag for me. And then, secondly, I was still concerned that if the CTG … the monitoring had dips and decelerations and there were heart issues, that could happen again if it continued sort of waiting. So I just felt like what we were doing was prolonging, waiting, until the anxiety hadn’t gone because it was almost like we’d be waiting for that to happen again, and I just thought this … my maternal instinct said: we need to do something. Can you chop me and take him out.”
“I think what I actually suggest to you is that you made the, let’s call it a request, or however we want to term it, for the caesarean section not at that stage because you weren’t particularly worried about ML but because you were having a rotten and painful time in labour and you were in a lot of pain and it had been going on for a long time. What I am suggesting to you is this, you said what a lot of labouring mothers do in those circumstances and said ‘well for god’s sake, get this over with and please chop him out’.”
“I’m afraid that’s not true, My Lord.”
“Q: After the epidural, you were actually quite relaxed and I think you were joking with your sister and husband? A: Yes, the pain was controlled. I still had the concerns because the midwife was still concerned, but I felt that I needed to be positive and have the right attitude.”
“No, I think the pain was controlled. I agree with that, but the concern for ML was always there. The atmosphere in the room didn’t change from [the midwife], the doctors running in and out didn’t change the fact that there was meconium and at the back of my mind was always there and I was worried about it, and I knew what had happened in most children with meconium, and I’d been advised and given stories still made me anxious, although I was trying to manage my anxiety by being positive and taking the advice from the doctors, who I thought would know better and keep monitoring the risks.”
“I think it’s mentioned in my husband’s witness statement”
“Q: So I don’t think your husband mentioned it, you certainly haven’t mentioned it in your previous statement and I wonder if the fact that you now remember this is just an illustration of how difficult it is after so long a time to remember precisely who said what to whom and when? A: No I remember that very clearly. But it’s not put in here, I think that might have been the fact my husband, potentially, had forgot that small detail of the conversation but he definitely mentioned it. Without a shadow of doubt.”
“12. At this point I was in extreme pain and remember saying, “Please, just chop me, what are you waiting for?” meaning that I wanted a caesarean section. Mr Christopoulos said that they were trying to avoid this route and when my husband asked why, Mr Christopoulos said that this is major surgery with six weeks recovery time. My husband explained that I had a narrow pubic arch and this might make it difficult to deliver naturally, to which Mr Christopoulos replied that this was not a problem.”
“15. At 11.30am I was given an epidural and after about 20 minutes I felt much more coherent and relaxed as the pain disappeared and I started talking and joking with my husband and sister. Mr Christopoulos said that we should wait another hour and get me to deliver vaginally.”
“19. … A blood sample was taken from the baby’s head. We were told that the result was 7.25, which they said was within the reasonable range. 20. All this time, I just remember them telling us these things, there was no sense that we were being consulted or having a discussion with them. Meanwhile [SL] was becoming more and more distressed because she was worried about the baby, about the meconium which she kept mentioning and the problems with the heartbeat. We were both aware of anxiety on the part of the Midwife about it. I cannot be sure of the time but I remember [SL] clearly saying to Dr Christopoulos, “Please, just chop me, what are you waiting for?” meaning that she wanted a caesarean section. 21. Dr Christopoulos said that they were trying to avoid this route and I asked him why and he said that this was major surgery with six weeks recovery time. There was no further discussion about it because if he had asked [SL], she was only concerned about the baby, not about her recovery time but the impression he gave was that he was just dismissing the request.”
“I asked Dr Christopoulos why he was not giving SL a caesarean section. He said it was a six-week recovery. I did also mention her narrow pubic arch which we knew from her IVF treatment, his response was to ignore it.”
“I didn’t enter into further conversation – I trusted the doctor.”
“7. …They then confirmed that his blood sample showed a good oxygen level and therefore [SL] would continue with a natural birth. I recall [SL] asking for a C-section but they said that it would be better for her to carry on towards a natural delivery. The reasoning was that she would recover quicker and that a natural childbirth was better.”
“At 10.35 hours it was noted that the trace was considered to be pathological and at 10.40 hours there was a request from the midwife for an obstetric review of the trace. At 10.40 hours ST3 Dr Christopoulos reviewed the CTG and noted that on examination he found the Claimant’s mother to be 8cm dilated and was progressing quite normally. The CTG was described by him as pathological and he therefore performed a fetal blood sample. The result of the fetal blood sample was normal i.e. a pH of 7.28 and a base excess of -2.8.”
“21. I have noted that the Claimant alleges that we refused the Claimant’s mother’s request for a caesarean section at around 10.40 hours. I am not aware that the Claimant’s mother made such a request and even if she had at that point there was no medical reason to perform a caesarean section during a labour that was otherwise progressing well. It would not have been in accordance with normal or good practice. There was no good reason for a change in the pre-planned decision to attempt a vaginal delivery or to advise her that there was a need for a caesarean section or that it was a good option when there was no good reason to perform one. At that point there was good progress in labour. There was no indication to justify or indicate that there should be a discussion about an alternative method of delivery.”
“Our practice would then be to discuss the risks and the benefits of proceeding with a C-section versus continuing with the normal route and if the mother insisted that she wanted a C-section, then we would carry it out. … I work in a Trust where we believe in choice and it would have been the case, ever since I joined in 2002, that if a woman’s choice was, despite medical advice, to proceed along a line, if we’ve discussed the benefits and the risks and agree with her choice.”
“This lady is requesting a C section because she’s in pain and he, Mr Mascarenhas, would have replied: ‘Let’s review it after the pain has been dealt with.’”
“I would have been called back into the room if there was dispute about not performing a caesarean section and an unresolved request for a caesarean section I was not called back into the room at any point.”
“Where a woman requests a caesarean section in the absence of an identifiable reason the overall benefits and risks of caesarean section compared to vaginal birth should be discussed and recorded”
“I would think that, trying to look at it – a trainee would normally go round, if there was a request for a C-section, would have come out of the room and said to the consultant ‘There is a request for a C-section, I think it’s pain, we’ll deal with the pain and then we’ll deal with the request’, and I would have said ‘That’s fine, let’s do it that way’. If there was a persistent request he would have come back to me and said, ‘come to the room, this patient would like a C-section, I don’t think we should do one but I think you should review’. Now that never took place. That second step never took place, which makes me feel that it was an assessment of a C-section request for pain and that we were going to review it.”
“Why don’t you chop me up now”
“I informed Mr Mascarenhas not because the patient did not want to proceed with the vaginal delivery at this stage but because I had just performed a procedure with assessing the fetal blood sampling and I updated my consultant about what that was and what the discussion I had with the patient was.”
“In light of this transformation of the CTG, many reasonable obstetricians would have cancelled the plan for caesarean section and continued to observe.”
“I think I agreed yesterday, My Lord, that perhaps it would have been more appropriate to term this as discussing the possible need for a caesarean section because what is envisaged is that whatever is done, whether it’s changing position, with or without switching off the Syntocinon, if that does not resolve the abnormality of the trace, then it’s going to lead to expedition of the delivery by caesarean section. … I accept that, in the report, it does sound as if my view was that a plan – a firm plan and action taken to put that plan into operation should have commenced at 06.50 and I did not really mean to be quite so proactive, shall we say.”
“Q: Now, I had the impression from what you said in answer to Mr Bishop that you don’t recognise a distinction between different requests for caesarean section, do I have that right? A: I think certainly from an obstetric viewpoint, yes. Q: If, as an obstetrician, your impression was that the request for a caesarean section was borne out of pain or motivated by pain would you, say, go through the full benefits, risks of it at that stage or might you say, ‘Why don’t we deal with your pain first and come back to this?’ Assuming that the baby is fine, you’ve established that there’s no pressing need for a caesarean section might you say something like, ‘Well let’s get the epidural in, let’s see how you get on with that and then revisit this question should you still want one’ or something like that? A: Yes, that would be an approach. I think we have to couch it slightly more formally and say that we have ways of relieving pain which may, as you put it, alter your view. Of course, we have previously discussed the concerns about the baby, so that doesn’t need to be featured in this. So, yes, I think I would accept that. Q: I have to make it clear that was not SL’s evidence so I have to make a decision about that in the light of what she said and the documentation, the letter of 7 April and the like; I was just wondering what your view was, were I to come to the conclusion that the motivation was principally, or even exclusively, pain. A: I believe, My Lord, if it was exclusively pain, then I think the offer would have gone as you’ve described it: let us get, get an epidural or discuss pain relief. But, in fact, in the event, she had an epidural I think she would have had one if one was offered under those – though, clearly, that’s for Your Lordship not for me.”
“It obviously seems attractive to think that if there’s intermittent cord compression that would predict an acute cord occlusion, but one is extraordinarily common and one is incredibly rare. Unfortunately, acute cord occlusion can arise – and I think Mr Forbes did say this - in a completely uneventful straightforward labour with no previous problems, and the chances of that are very small. So, although there was cord compression which, to put a figure on it, occurs in 30+ per cent of labours, that doesn’t predict an acute cord occlusion which occurs in one in many thousands of labours. And Mr Forbes said: ‘Well the reduced liquor or the meconium makes that more likely’, I don’t think there is any evidence that it does and in my clinical and medical legal experience, I don’t think those are factors that help you in predicting the outcome. … You will be relying on doing something to prevent something unpredictable, and that’s a challenging idea in obstetric practice.”
“You would say that if the fetal blood sample did not show a normal result, that you would have to think that we would have to interrupt the labour and that might mean caesarean section, depending on what we find on dilatation. But if the fetal blood sample showed a normal result, that would reassure us about the baby’s wellbeing and that, all other things being equal, it would be entirely appropriate to carry on with the labour. … Although there had been fetal heartrate abnormalities if the test was normal, that would be the test that would reassure you about fetal wellbeing. And you would be explaining the nature of it and that if it was normal, that would allow natural progress; if it was abnormal, you might need to do caesarean section. Then, if you have a fetal blood sample result with good progress and the woman said, ‘Actually what about caesarean section’ then I would be saying to her at that point ‘Well, I can understand that in labour often women can be anxious about how things are going, but I think at this point this labour is going well, we have good progress of the labour, that we’ve been reassured that the heartrate pattern is normal. I don’t see that there’d be a significant advantage to caesarean section, that there are risks to caesarean section, it is a major surgical procedure with a long recovery, there is a risk of bleeding, of trouble with infection, there’s a risk you may get clots, it has an impact on future pregnancies and, at this point, your labour’s going as well as we could hope for. If you have troubles about pain, then an epidural may help you, but at this point I will be encouraging you that labour was – it was reasonable for labour to continue’. And if the response I got back to that was that there was no disagreement with it then I would take it that I’d provided her with the appropriate information and options to continue her labour.”
“Unfortunately this may be a fundamental misunderstanding about the fetal heart rate trace. It’s a screening test for babies’ hypoxia that might develop into acidosis and it’s required to keep monitoring. But fetal heart rate decelerations of themselves do not say there’s something wrong with the baby, to put it in simple terms. If the view was taken that every time there were fetal heart rate decelerations – and you will correct me if I’m wrong, but you are putting it to me that I should have to put to a woman that because there are decelerations of the heartrate that her baby is at risk, that would be a most unreasonable way to manage labour. It’s so common in labour, it’s such a frequent occurrence in labour, that you would be creating abnormality when none exists.”
“But the reason you are concerned about meconium is because it puts the baby at risk of acidosis. You’ve done the test which shows the baby does not have acidosis. So although that was a risk factor, and although that might have been generating concern up to the point of the fetal blood sample, actually once you’ve got the fetal blood sample you are in a much more reassuring position than at any other time in the labour. So the idea that having performed a fetal blood sample you would then suggest to the woman that there was a problem, I have to say, seems to fly in the face of my 30 years of obstetric practice. … I think the process is a continuumandI think it was accepted this morning by Mr Forbes that as part of the explanation about the fetal blood sample those elements [i.e. the CTG abnormalities and the probability of cord compression] would be discussed. So the woman would be aware of that in having had the fetal blood sample. To do the fetal blood sample you have to explain, ‘There are decelerations, this might be a cause for concern, it’s probably caused by cord compression, I’m going to check that your baby is well but then we will need to continue to monitor if all is normal and if it’s not we will have to consider other options.’ As I understand it, it is accepted that the process of consent to the fetal blood sample was performed. So clearly that will be a matter for My Lord.”
“I understand Mr Forbes to be saying that with the history of thick meconium, and with the history of CTG abnormalities, even though the baby was fine at that moment – when the FBS was done - nevertheless the history meant there was enhanced risk. It may have been a small enhanced risk, but, nevertheless, an enhanced risk of continuing with the labour by virtue of what had happened before, which the mother was entitled to know about in relation to her request for a caesarean section. I think that’s what Mr Forbes is saying.”
“Well, my response is that, having had the normal fetal blood sample, with continued fetal monitoring the evidence would not suggest that the baby was at an increased risk compared to caesarean section. So, to put it a different way round, I don’t think there is evidence that doing a caesarean section at that point would have made it more likely that the baby was going to be healthy than continuing with the labour.”
“At 11.30am I was given an epidural and after about 20 minutes I felt much more coherent and relaxed as the pain disappeared …”
“They said the results were 7.25 which they said was average so they were going to proceed with a natural delivery. At this point I was in extreme pain and said, ‘Please, just chop me, what are you waiting for?’ meaning I wanted a caesarean section.”
“At this point I was in extreme pain and remember saying, ‘Please, just chop me, what are you waiting for?’.”
“I started talking and joking with my husband and sister.”