“Please find attached a copy of the recent revision to the Red Book regarding incentives on new build sales. This tells us very little, if anything, that we did not already know or were aware of. The suggested wording of 5.5.3 is something I know we are using already. Clearly we must be ever vigilant with new build cases and must be absolutely satisfied that the property is worth the purchase price bearing in mind that the new build property may be worth what it is selling for irrespective of incentives. In the majority of cases, I suspect, this will not be the case.”
“I would like to clarify the position in respect of lender’s surveyors visiting site, who are acting on behalf of the third party buyers and their mortgagees, to whom Walden Housing has sold on. Firstly, it is the surveyor’s responsibility to determine the value of a plot and therefore, no doubt, they will carry out their own competitor market research following their visit to our development in order to arrive at a price. We are not duty bound nor have any obligation to provide a surveyor with details of any transaction between Walden Housing and a third party buyer. Also, the surveyor isn’t to be provided with any details of the transaction between Persimmon and Walden Housing, as these are strictly private and confidential and do not relate to the reason he/she is visiting the site. Assuming Walden Housing provide us with written advice (fax or letter received in the post) of the prices at which they have sold on prior to the surveyor’s site visit, then you may advise the surveyor of the plot sale price. Obviously, if Walden Housing do not provide us with any written confirmation of their sales prices, prior to the surveyor’s visit, then we should advise the surveyor that we do not have any details of the third party transaction. In respect of incentives, Walden Housing don’t advise us of whether these apply to any specific plot sale. It is the third party buyer’s and their financial adviser’s responsibility to divulge the details of the incentives, if any apply, during the mortgage application stage, Therefore, should the surveyor ask if you know of any incentives, you may respond by saying that we are not involved with the transaction to the third party and you should refer them back to the third party buyer and their financial adviser. By adhering to the procedures described above, we are only imparting information to the surveyor which Waldon Housing has previously authorised us to use, which is not misleading the surveyor.”
“Since the late summer 2005, surveyors haven’t been valuing any apartments with river views above£250,000 . Their view is that prices have been falling and they are concerned about the numbers of repossessions.”
“Following the announcement last week that London will be hosting the 2012 Olympics, we have experienced a considerable rise in the number of enquiries for property in Thamesmead, which possibly might result in an upward pressure on prices. Therefore, at this point in time, we are unable to provide an indication of Block P [i.e. Hill House]’s marketing prices. We wish to continue our excellent working relationship, we will therefore give you first refusal when prices are released. Also, we will consider the possibility of releasing process to you slightly earlier than planned, if the plots you have previously reserved successfully legally complete on the due dates.”
“Having visited both competitors’ [Fairclough and Barrett Homes] marketing suites last week, it was difficult to pin down exactly what was being given away in terms of incentives, as the Sales Executives were quite evasive (especially Barratt Homes). Back in May ’05 both builders were doing deals at the 15% mark or above, depending on the plot. Fairclough say they are currently only giving 15% on stock units, otherwise it’s 100%. Also they admitted to a 30% to 40% fall through rate. For the purposes of settling on prices for the whole of [Hill House] I think we need to base our market research on our competitors giving 15% across the board. My recommended prices for Mr Barry are considerably in excess of [Bridge House]’s, especially those plots at 710 sq. ft. and 797 sq. ft. The case to be put forward for the differences will be that [Hill House] doesn’t have any affordable housing and has greater prestige with security gated parking spaces, 36 of which are undercroft.”
“This information has been transferred from another Lender’s Report. We have not reinspected the subject property. The original inspection was carried out on12th July 2006 .”
“Mr Mohammed Barrie’s part in it would be to find the flat buyer. He would go to Friday prayers at the Sierra Leone mosque. He met a number of other community members. Most of them knew about [Mr Barrie]: ‘Some came to me, said they were interested in buying rather than renting for investment and I said in turn, ‘Well, I will introduce them to [Mr Barrie]’. But I had nothing to do with these people getting mortgages.’’ He also said that sometimes there were middle men involved in bringing a purchaser onto the scene, people that he called “introducers”
“Nobody pointed out to me that not one penny of this was going to Atrex. The instruction was not to pay out to a third party except on clear written instructions from the client and I didn’t think of asking whether there was a single occasion when money actually was paid to Atrex. Now I realise about that, I would have asked but I was acting on clear instructions from senior members of the firm. I thought those instructions were correct. I acted upon them. Now with the benefit of hindsight … I would have asked why this was being done. Somebody at Cowen Ross and EMG must have realised that Atrex was not getting any money. … I agree that large sums were passed on by Cowen Ross and EMG but I thought that it was perfectly in order.”
“But Persimmon and Atrex kept changing things. They made it impossible for me to keep track of it. They kept stalling on agreeing the price reductions and the same and there did come a time when I started to become concerned at the way things were being run at EMG Law.”
“We understand that, on22 May 2006 , solicitors acting for Atrex wrote to you, enclosing a draft contract for your approval, which indicated that Ms Sesay [the prospective purchaser] would actually purchase the property from Atrex, rather than Persimmon. [The lender]’s solicitors, allege in their letter to your client of12 June 2007 that your client failed to bring this to the attention of [the lender], despite their obligations under the Council of Mortgage Lenders’ Rules.”
“A. We heard about guaranteed rentals and it was difficult in those days because there wasn’t a culture of openness, to understand the full extent to which incentives formed part of the sales. But we knew of their availability and, of course, the market became more difficult, then the incentives increased, I think [this] is a way to summarise [it]. But coming to Hill House, no we weren’t given any disclosure.” … “Q. It sounds as though you had some quite definite knowledge about Tideslea Path then, from the solicitors? A. Well, it was fairly sketchy. I wouldn’t say it was comprehensive, but it did make us, and I suspect all valuers, somewhat suspicious of the information they were being given by on-site sales teams.” … “Q. … I think you said your information comes from the solicitors, it doesn’t come from the office sites; yes? A. More likely to come from solicitors, post the valuation. Q. That’s why you can’t really be certain about what other valuers knew because … A. No.” … … Q. That’s why you can’t really be certain about what other valuers knew because … A. No.”
“Q. What I would like to suggest to you is that by ignoring the actual sale prices achieved, what you risked doing was in fact making the market rather than following what actually happened? A. It is a risk, I agree. Q. And it’s a risk you fell foul of? A. No, we didn’t fall foul of it. It sounds arrogant but I think with hindsight we have been proved right to have been cautious in our approach, because all that glittered here was not gold. It was false evidence.”
“Q. ... I note that all the references you put to having obtained information from estate agents, it’s all Harrison Ingram estate agents? A. Yes, I think the reason for that is that they are the premier local estate agents. They have an office in the shopping centre, just up the road, and they tend to have the biggest share of the resale market. Q. Is it the case that you only speak to them or is it the case that- A. No, but at the time, they were the people who seemed to have the most sales going on. When we undertake research, given that the fees we receive are relatively modest, we are not expected to undertake exhaustive enquiries of local agents, and Harrison Ingram we have always found to be open, honest and cooperative with the information, unlike some who are less so. So we naturally gravitate to them for data in this part of the world.”