“I’m an old-school banker and I always treat the Bank’s money as my own when I’m actually looking at lending, lending applications. So I make sure that, as part of my assessment, the organisation that I lend to repays its, can afford to repay its, borrowing that I provide.”
“Synopsis … In addition, have negotiated good security cover 70% plus Directors Guarantees which leaves debt quantum comfortably asset covered. … Security … I understand from customers that [the twins’ parents’ home address] market value is£500 /550k with first charge (Lambeth Bsoc) c£150k i.e. WDV deeds£200k i.e. fully supports funding. Additionally look for the provision of Directors’ guarantees£100k to cover OD + cards. Debenture …£145k @ 20% say£30k . … Conditions Precedent 1. Mortgage Debenture 2. Directors Guarantee£100k Mr Inderpal Lotay and Mr Harinderpal Lotay 3. 2nd LM over [parents’] property given by third parties … with Independent Legal Advice to be provided … .”
“We enclose the Bank’s formal letters in respect of refinancing in full the existing borrowing with HSBC and provision of additional loan monies to fund on-going working capital/copex etc. … For ease of reference the terms/conditions that will need to be satisfied prior to draw down are listed as follows: • Bank instructed professional valuation over [the twins’ parents’ house] confirming Market Value minimum£500,000 . • Second legal charge by the Bank over [the twins’ parents’ house] with the security providers seeking independent legal advice. • Mortgage debenture by the company. •£100,000 Directors Guarantee.” … Accordingly we shall be grateful if you could check the AOBT letters to ensure that all the terms detailed correspond completely with your understanding of the agreement between us and let me know, as soon as possible, if there are any discrepancies.” • Bank instructed professional valuation over [the twins’ parents’ house] confirming Market Value minimum£500,000 . • Second legal charge by the Bank over [the twins’ parents’ house] with the security providers seeking independent legal advice. • Mortgage debenture by the company. •£100,000 Directors Guarantee.”
“The Bank will not be obliged to make the facility available until the following conditions have been met: … (c) The Bank has received and is satisfied with an executed Directors’ Guarantee for£100,000 given by Mr Interpal Lotay and Mr Harinderpal Lotay.”
“Security for£100,000 by Inderpal Singh Lotay and Harinderpal Singh Lotay for the obligations to Twinbuild Guarantors: Inderpal Singh Lotay and Harinderpal Singh Lotay We refer to the recent request relative to the above and now enclose the undernoted items for your attention. Independent legal advice It is Bank policy that all Guarantors be strongly recommended to obtain Independent Legal Advice. We understand however that in this transaction the Guarantors are fully involved directors of the Borrower and that the requirement for Independent Legal Advice has been waived. What do I need to do? The Relationship Manager for the Borrower should arrange a Signing Meeting between a Bank Representative (the Relationship Manager or another suitably briefed member of the Bank’s staff) and each Guarantor separately in order to have the Guarantee signed. On no account should the Guarantee (and/or waiver) be signed other than at a formal Signing Meeting with a Bank Representative present and the following procedures being followed. Failure to follow the procedures will result in fresh documentation being required and delays for your Customer. Each signing meeting shall be conducted as follows: The Signing Meeting • The copy guarantee should be handed to the Guarantor at the start of the meeting for perusal, if it has not been provided to the Guarantor earlier. The Guarantor should be encouraged and given time to read the Guarantee. • The Bank Representative should re-affirm the Bank’s recommendation that all Guarantors obtain Independent Legal Advice in all cases. • The Waiver of Legal Advice should be handed to and read by the Guarantor. • [Relevant to guarantors who are not directors of the Borrower] • The Bank Representative may answer any general questions raised by the Guarantor but on no account should they discuss or answer any questions on the terms of the Guarantee. If the Bank Representative is asked to explain the meaning of or provide advice on the effect of specific clauses within the Guarantee then the Bank Representative should not respond, but instead immediately inform the Guarantor that the Bank will require them to obtain Independent Legal Advice from a Solicitor of their choice before the Guarantee is signed. • [Relevant to the situation when the Bank insists that the Guarantor should, or the Guarantor decides to, obtain independent legal advice] • If the Guarantor is happy to proceed without Independent Legal Advice and the Bank Representative is satisfied that the Guarantor fully understands the commitment being entered into:- - The Guarantor should sign both the Guarantee and the Waiver of Legal Advice in the presence of the Bank Representative. The Guarantee should then be dated unless there is another person(s) who has yet to sign the relevant Guarantee. The Guarantee should only be dated when ALL Guarantors have signed the document. - The Bank Representative should witness both the Guarantee and the Waiver of Legal Advice. … • The Bank Representative should ensure that the Guarantors have copies of the Guarantee, the Waiver of Legal Advice and where applicable the Schedule of Liabilities/Security. Once executed by the Guarantors the Guarantee and the Waivers of Legal Advice together with, where applicable, the Schedule of Liabilities/Security must be returned to this Office (i.e. the CDD).”
“1. I am a director of the company named above as the Borrower. I confirm that I play an active role in the running of the company and as such have a full understanding of its financial affairs, including the liabilities to the Bank covered by the Security. 2. I have been given the Security and have had adequate time to read and consider it. 3. No one, whether the Borrower or from within the Bank or elsewhere, has placed me under any pressure to sign the Security and I am well aware of my right to take the risks associated with giving the Security. 4. I have been told of my right to be provided by the Bank with details of the Borrower’s obligations and I have received all the information which I require. 5. The Bank has advised me, in very clear terms, that I should take Independent Legal Advice and I am fully aware that I have to seek advice from my Solicitor regarding any matters about which I am uncertain. 6. … 7. Having considered all of this, I have decided I do NOT wish to seek independent legal advice nor to take the Security away for further consideration.”
“Jacqueline Please find attached:- Dirctors Gtee & ILA wavier letter Please ensure ‘back office’ is now updated as HELD [NWB’s internal reference number] Thank you Surinder Summan.”
“Completed Security List Guarantee Borrowers’ Disclosure Consent form Schedule of Liabilities/Security Waiver of Legal Advice A computerised security entry has been created.”
“Hari Lotay advises that both he, his brother and their family fully intend to honour all their obligations to the Bank in view of their PG and the legal charge we hold over their parents’ house. He tells me that their parents are very worried and remain closely involved. They are currently looking into the possibility of refinancing their house to repay the Bank. They are also involving several uncles who have property portfolios to see if they can help.”
“… we will as a family or brother, intend to do what we can to pay the Bank back or honour our obligations, again you can get caught up in the vocabulary. However, Mr Gill has chosen to write that paragraph in the way he understood, and that’s understandable. Q. You didn’t tell Mr Gill, did you, you didn’t tell Mr Gill that of course the personal guarantee no longer applied? A. No, because the personal guarantees weren’t talked about. … My mind firmly [inaudible, probably believed] there was no personal guarantee, so I had no reason to allude to it. Same with that conversation with Mr Gill, we didn’t individually speak about any types of security, whether it was the second charge, be it the personal guarantees, or be it the debenture, it was just a case of said we’ll do what we can with the help of my family, my brother, we will do what we can and that, in all fairness and I believe Mr Gill said it yesterday, it was his understanding in a summary of the conversation. There were no point he and I discussed individual security types, I just would not have said that at the time, I’ve got no reason to.”
“4. In or around March 2005, the defendants received the Bank’s standard form of personal guarantee. The document was undated. Upon querying the need to have a deed witnessed by a solicitor, and the need for independent legal advice, Mr Hariderpal Lotay was assured by Mr Summan by telephone: a. That the guarantee was “just a formality until [the Bank] gets a charge on your parents’ house” and b. That the guarantee “would then be released as [NWB] will then have its security”. 11. … the guarantee was subject to an oral collateral contract concluded in a telephone conversation in or about March 2005 between Mr Harinderpal Lotay on behalf of the defendants and Mr Summan on behalf of the Bank under which the parties agreed that the term of the guarantee would be limited by the date on which the Bank obtained security over the property.”
“Do I need to go and see a solicitor and take advice. Do I need to get it witnessed?”
“Don’t worry about it. Just sign it and send it back and it will just fall away once we get the second charge.”
“Q. He didn’t say to you, I put it to you, that the guarantee would be released as the Bank will then have its security [when the second charge was executed]? A. It, it was, I mean, whether you – again with all due respect, you get hung up on certain words, whether it’s ‘release’, ‘temporary measure’, ‘fall away’. Q. These are quotes. A. Yes. I have used the word ‘released’ and I stand by that, that. He said it was going to be released. It was going to be, it was going to fall away. ‘Don’t worry about it. I’m going through the motions.’ I mean, you know, that’s, that’s just, again, to be quite fair, that’s just [SS] and the way he operates.”
“Q. Well now, did it, did you stop to think: well that is a bit strange because I am not going to, the company is not going to, get any, is not going to be able to change its Bank – Hm-hmm. Q. -it is not going to get any advance from NatWest until the guarantee and the mortgage and the debenture are in place so this is not giving us very much because we are not going to get, the guarantee is not going to come into play at all until we have got the money? A. No, I didn’t think like that, Your Honour, at all. Q. In other words, what was it in reality, that you were going to get? A. A possibility, sorry, it was a possibility that [SS] could try and hurry the, I mean I don’t know what process it was, but the measure was, or the conversation was, that I will try and get you the money sooner- Q. What before, before the mortgage was in place? A. I meant that was just my understanding of it, I mean I appreciate now they needed all- Q. Were you so desperate for the money that you were looking for it that rapidly? A. To be fair, yes, because we’d highlighted this depot, this factory unit and that was being looked at, we were desperate in the sense that we didn’t want to let that opportunity go because of the location and where it was. Q. Well in those, in that case why after the 14th March did you not press Mr Summan for some of the facility even though your parents had not entered into the mortgage, because you were so keen to have the money and you understood it had been agreed that you provide a guarantee, which had done, to tide you, tide the Bank over until they got- A. I think some, … I think some credit cards were sort of forwarded, I, admittedly it wasn’t several thousand of pounds but I think there about 15 or 16,000 worth of facility on just two credit cards. … It wasn’t the sums obviously we were looking at in, you know, in terms of 100,000 or what we were looking to borrow but some, I mean the account was opened and some monies in terms of the credit cards were released or forwarded to us on the basis that [SS] had- Q. But they were not covered by the guarantee or the, or the mortgage. … Q. Yes but the credit card would not have been related to the security that you were providing, because they were credit cards. A. No. No. Q. Well it seems a bit strange does it not, that if you were so keen to get the money that you were prepared to give a temporary guarantee for£100,000 that having got the guarantee you then did not press for the- A. No, Sir, you’re probably right. I mean we didn’t press for it in that sense but we were assured by [SS] it wasn’t far away, but it was just, it’s a matter of time but in the meantime I can do with this … Q. Well as it turned out, from your point of view, no money was advanced by the Bank until after the 5th, until the 5th May when the, the mortgage was signed. … the reason why it was done on the 5th May was that was the first day the Bank had received notification that the mortgage had been signed. A. Second charge … yes. Q. So there was no need, as it turned out, to have this temporary guarantee arrangement because you did not actually get any money under the facility until the mortgage had been signed. A. No I get, in that respect, Your Honour, I do agree with you but it doesn’t seem that way but with the way I was reassured by Surinder that we could get money sooner rather than later- Q. Alright. It did not turn out that way. A. -it’s just an impression, yes, yes, Your Honour, it didn’t turn out that way. Q. Why did you not, on 5th May, then say, well now please can we have the guarantee back? A. I’ll be completely; to be honest I didn’t think to do that Your Honour, at all. I mean in hindsight, yes I should have done and on numerous other occasions but I just, I didn’t think to do that Sir.”
“Q. And yet you didn’t press [SS] in the weeks before the 5th May to release you the money now that he had the guarantee? A. Yes, no, no, not in that sense, it was, because it was, whenever I did speak to Kerry [SS’s PA] majority of the time, it was like, yes soon, soon, I wasn’t given an end date, I mean I can understand that, that, even they couldn’t give an exact date of when it was going to happen but it was just a case of it could be any day now, any week now, it was a case of, I wouldn’t say I was aggressive and hounding them every day as to why we haven’t had the funds, but it was a case of well what’s happening now, what’s happening now and that’s how it went on until then. I mean, I mean that was mainly my conversation with Kerry even after the paperwork had gone back to them and that’s all I can say on that matter, Your Honour.”
“You’re wrong in saying we are liable for the guarantee you send (sic) with your letter. We signed the guarantee and other papers at the request of Surinder Summan, he told me it was just a formality until the Bank got a charge on our parent’s house for the£100k guarantee amount, and that we would then be released from it because the Bank would then have the security. When we got the guarantee papers and other documents I spoke to Surinder and I even asked him if I needed to go to a solicitor to get the guarantee witnessed. Surinder said it was just a formality and there was no need to have it witnessed and we should sign all the papers and return them to him for his file as quickly as possible so he could get things moving and get the money to us. The guarantee was not signed in front of Surinder and we did not date it. We just signed and returned it as requested, because we just thought it was a temporary measure by Surinder.”
“At the time myself and my brother [HSL] provided the Bank with the personal guarantee, it was agreed between ourselves and [SS] on behalf of the Bank that we would be released from our guarantees as soon as the Bank obtained a second charge over our parents’ matrimonial home.” … “Accordingly, my dispute in respect of the claim brought against me by the Bank is absolutely fundamental in that it had been expressly agreed between myself and [SS] that my personal guarantee would only remain effective until such time as the Bank obtained a second charge over my parents’ property … .”
“The Bank are pursuing us pursuant to the Guarantee, and I believe that they are doing so because [SS] is withholding from them the discussions he had with [HSL] in March 2005 prior to us signing the Guarantee. I recall [HSL] telling me [SS] had said that the Guarantee was just temporary until the charge over our parents’ home was in place.”
“13.6 Interest will be calculated both before and after judgment on a daily basis and compounded according to agreement or in the absence of agreement monthly on such days as the Bank may select.”