“12. I must explain why I think the attempt to approximate real people to the notional man is not helpful. It is to do with the function of expert witnesses in patent actions. Their primary function is to educate the court in the technology – they come as teachers, as makers of the mantle for the court to don. For that purpose it does not matter whether they do or do not approximate to the skilled man. What matters is how good they are at explaining things. … 15. Because the expert's conclusion (e.g. obvious or not), as such, although admissible, is of little value it does not really matter what the actual attributes of the real expert witness are. What matters are the reasons for his or her opinion. And those reasons do not depend on how closely the expert approximates to the skilled man.”
“I have used it frequently. In the factory setting, I can use it many, many times per day when I am testing materials”
“I can assure you at 2012 and earlier I was quite aware what was in the market in ostomy and what was not in the market in ostomy. That was my specialty, and please see that I run a company which had 50% of the market. We were selling all kind of materials. I was visiting all kinds of medical exhibitions. We met each other, all the big companies, we saw each other twice a year in big ostomy congresses, but you are right, the Coloplast pouch was the first pouch with a woven comfort layer, as far as I know. I have never seen one before.”
“A collecting bag for human waste comprising a barrier film covered by a comfort layer, wherein the comfort layer is a textile material having a number of threads each comprising a plurality of fibre filaments, and the said textile material is attached to the said barrier film in one or more zones of attachment characterized in that some but not all of the fibre filaments of the textile material in said zone(s) are embedded in the barrier film material.”
“A collecting bag according to claim 1, wherein the peel strength between said comfort layer and said barrier film is above 5N/12.5mm width in said zone(s).”
“A collecting bag according to any one of claims 1 – 4, wherein said textile material is a woven material”
“An invention shall be taken to involve an inventive step if it is not obvious to a person skilled in the art having regard to any matter that forms part of the state of the art by virtue only of section 2(2) (and disregarding section 2(3)).”
“36. Another aspect of obviousness which is not readily answered by the PSA The PSA was the problem and solution approach used in the EPO when dealing with the issue of obviousness, see Actavis at [25]. is illustrated by the 5¼ inch plate paradox. This runs like this. Suppose the patent claim is for a plate of diameter 5¼ inches. And suppose no-one can find a plate of that particular diameter in the prior art. Then (a) it is novel and (b) it is non-obvious for there is no particular reason to choose that diameter. The conclusion, that the plate is patentable, is so absurd that it cannot be so. “37. What then is the answer to the paradox? It is this: the 5¼ inch limitation is purely arbitrary and non-technical. It solves no problem and advances the art not at all. It is not inventive. And although "inventive step" is defined as being one which is not obvious, one must always remember the purpose of that definition – to define what is inventive. That which is not inventive by any criteria is not made so by the definition. Trivial limitations, such as specifying the plate diameter, or painting a known machine blue for no technical reason are treated as obvious because they are not inventive.”
“The question of obviousness must be considered on the facts of each case. The court must consider the weight to be attached to any particular factor in the light of all the relevant circumstances. These may include such matters as the motive to find a solution to the problem the patent addresses, the number and extent of the possible avenues of research, the effort involved in pursuing them and the expectation of success.”
“46. I do not read this as involving a requirement that the notional skilled person would actually physically implement the idea. What the passage is saying, sensibly enough, is that it [is] not enough the skilled man could have arrived at the invention from the prior art, it must be shown that he would have done. Whether he would actually press ahead and implement the idea depends on a host of other, commercial considerations. “47. That that must be so seems to me to be self-evident. A requirement that an idea can only be held obvious upon proof that it would actually be implemented would make many self-evident ideas non-obvious. For many obvious ideas may not be worth implementing commercially.”
“… the word “would” is not always straightforward. Sometimes asking simply if a skilled person “would” do something risks placing too much weight on what are really minor or irrelevant factors like cost, instead of focusing on the technical issues. Moreover, the well-known 9½ inch plate Birss J presumably intended to refer to the 5¼ inch plate referred to by Jacob LJ in Actavis v Novartis – see above. is not something a skilled person would make. It is more accurate to say that it is not patentable because the skilled person could make it without any inventive step.”
“I… must first make it clear that a decision on obviousness does not require a conclusion as to whether or not the skilled person would be slightly, moderately or particularly interested in any document. The court has to adopt the mantle of the skilled person. That mantle will include the prejudices, preferences and attitudes that such persons had at the priority date. Thereafter the court has to decide whether the step or steps from the prior art to the invention were obvious.”
“[Counsel] submitted that an invention would not be obvious unless there was some motivation to implement the disclosure in the prior art and to take the steps required to arrive at the invention. In certain cases that can be right. Such cases are usually those where the invention lies in the idea of taking a step. However, motivation may not be a requirement. The fact that nobody would dream of making a plate one inch bigger than the standard size does not mean that there would be invention in making one.”
“If the step from the prior art lacked invention, then it mattered not whether anybody would have thought of implementing it. The public are entitled to make obvious modifications. Whether they would want to do so will depend upon a variety of factors which could include such things as cost and the attitudes of users.”
“… provided the structured approach in Windsurfing Now Pozzoli is adopted there is no need for the Court first to decide whether the invention falls into one of those categories and then to decide which one. The isolation of the inventive concept in the first step and the ascertainment of the difference between that and the prior art in the third step, naturally lead the court to answer the correct question: namely, whether the invention was obvious. Evidence as to what could or could not or what would or would not be done can be relevant, but the correct question is that laid down in the statute.”
“if obvious, why was it not done before?” on which Coloplast relies in this case. However, some care is needed in this regard. In particular, as Laddie J pointed out in Brugger v Medic-Aid Ltd [1996] R.P.C. 635 at p.654, “The court has to be alert to the difference between commercial attractiveness and technical obviousness. They are not always the same. Failure to modify a piece of prior art, even if that delay extends over a long period, may be due to commercial factors rather than perceived technical obstacles.”
“It is only when the answer to the question ‘why was this not developed earlier’ is ‘a likely and reasonable explanation is that people looking for a way around an existing problem did not see this as the answer’ that the age of the prior art should play a part in meeting an obviousness attack. If it is likely that in the real world no one was looking for an answer the fact that none was found says nothing about whether the answer proposed by the patent under attack was obvious.”
“That, it appears to me, is a non sequitur. The fact, if it be one, that existing commercial products are highly successful and satisfactory does not indicate that there are no obvious modifications to make to them. It merely demonstrates that there may be little incentive to those already making those products to change the design—a quite different matter.”
“No, I have never done it, and also have never thought of doing it”
“I make a composite on a polymer, a non-woven could be stronger than the woven, not because I have got more interactions, but because the fibres are actually more embedded”
“There is nothing wrong with the comfort layer. I am more than 40 years in the business. I have never seen these problems that you say here.”
“a cover… made from one of two sheets of a woven or non-woven material in which the fibre and any binder used is non-dielectric, the film and the one or two sheet of fibre material being all united together at their edges with a radio frequency welded seam.”
“The only requirements for the woven or non-woven fibre material is that it shall be made from a non-dielectric fibre and that any binder shall also be non-dielectric. Non-woven materials are preferred for costs reasons. Examples of suitable materials are those made from polyester fibres or cellulose fibres, for example viscose rayon fibres.”
“In terms of the Pozzoli analysis, Watkins discloses the use of a polyester woven material to form the comfort layer and teaches welding it around the periphery of the pouch with RF welding. The question remains (a) whether a Skilled Person would be motivated to do anything differently from the CGK on being shown Watkins and, if so, what that might be.”
“does not tell the Skilled Person what weld zone characteristics he should be aiming for. There is therefore no reason to think that he would achieve the tactile or visual characteristics of integers 3.1 and 4.1.”
“…you have a higher chance that in the welding zone the tactile and the visual characteristics are the same or about the same as the rest of the pouch than the case that they are not.”
“The skilled person in our company in 1990, when we were approached with this type of pouch, we immediately say, ‘This is not going to work’. It limits the noise and it limits the water cling from the front of the pouch, which is excellent when you have a shower to just put a towel on and it is dry, perfect. But the back of the pouch, that will be a disaster for patients.”
“[0006] In a perhaps more accurate description, the interstices of the non-woven or other fibrous layer are filled with melted and solidified ostomy film material as a result of the thermal bonding process.”
“….. The melted barrier film material at least partly flows into the interlaced fibre filament structure of the threads of the textile and thereby creates a physical anchorage between the two layers without destroying the structure of the textile material.”
“i) The requirement of sufficiency imposed by article 83 of the EPC exists to ensure that the extent of the monopoly conferred by the patent corresponds with the extent of the contribution which it makes to the art. ii) In the case of a product claim, the contribution to the art is the ability of the skilled person to make the product itself, rather than (if different) the invention. iii) Patentees are free to choose how widely to frame the range of products for which they claim protection. But they need to ensure that they make no broader claim than is enabled by their disclosure. iv) The disclosure required of the patentee is such as will, coupled with the common general knowledge existing as at the priority date, be sufficient to enable the skilled person to make substantially all the types or embodiments of products within the scope of the claim. That is what, in the context of a product claim, enablement means. v) A claim which seeks to protect products which cannot be made by the skilled person using the disclosure in the patent will, subject to de minimis or wholly irrelevant exceptions, be bound to exceed the contribution to the art made by the patent, measured as it must be at the priority date. vi) This does not mean that the patentee has to demonstrate in the disclosure that every embodiment within the scope of the claim has been tried, tested and proved to have been enabled to be made. Patentees may rely, if they can, upon a principle of general application if it would appear reasonably likely to enable the whole range of products within the scope of the claim to be made. But they take the risk, if challenged, that the supposed general principle will be proved at trial not in fact to enable a significant, relevant, part of the claimed range to be made, as at the priority date. vii) Nor will a claim which in substance passes the sufficiency test be defeated by dividing the product claim into a range denominated by some wholly irrelevant factor, such as the length of a mouse’s tail. The requirement to show enablement across the whole scope of the claim applies only across a relevant range. Put broadly, the range will be relevant if it is denominated by reference to a variable which significantly affects the value or utility of the product in achieving the purpose for which it is to be made. viii) Enablement across the scope of a product claim is not established merely by showing that all products within the relevant range will, if and when they can be made, deliver the same general benefit intended to be generated by the invention, regardless how valuable and groundbreaking that invention may prove to be.”
“… it does set out the requirements, so you would be able to do your experiments knowing what the requirements are and therefore you would be able to get to the result….”
"… it is necessary to distinguish between claims that are difficult to construe or that have a "fuzzy boundary" (in the words of Lord Hoffmann in Kirin-Amgen Inc v Hoechst Marion Roussel Ltd[2004] UKHL 46 ,[2005] RPC 9 at [126]) on the one hand from claims that are truly ambiguous on the other. It is regrettably common for claims to be difficult to construe, but the court will nevertheless strive to give such claims a sensible meaning having regard to the inventor's purpose. It is also common for claims to have a fuzzy boundary, because an integer of the claim involves some question of degree or an imprecise functional limitation. It is well established that is not itself objectionable. If a claim is truly ambiguous, so that it is unclear what is the correct test to determine whether or not a product or process infringes, however, then the claim is insufficient…"
“It is sometimes difficult to determine where the precise boundary of a claim lies. In such cases what matters is whether the skilled person knows what the test is he has to apply to determine infringement.”
“i) Article 56 of the EPC is in part based on the underlying principle that the scope of the patent monopoly must be justified by the patentee's contribution to the art; ii) If the alleged contribution is a technical effect which is not common to substantially everything covered by a claim, it cannot be used to formulate the question for the purposes of judging obviousness; iii) In such circumstances the claim must either be restricted to the subject matter which makes good the technical contribution, or a different technical solution common to the whole claim must be found; iv) A selection from the prior art which is purely arbitrary and cannot be justified by some useful technical property is likely to be held to be obvious because it does not make a real technical advance; v) A technical effect which is not rendered plausible by the patent specification may not be taken into account in assessing inventive step; vi) Later evidence may be adduced to support a technical effect made plausible by the specification; vii) Provided the technical effect is made plausible, no further proof of the existence of the effect is to be demanded of the specification before judging obviousness by reference to the technical effect propounded.”
“In the end the question is the simple one posed by Jacob J (as he then was) in Richardson Vick's Patent[1995] RPC 568 at 576 (approved by him as Jacob LJ in Vector Corporation v Glatt Air Techniques Ltd[2007] EWCA Civ 805 ;[2008] RPC 10 at [4]): “I think the test of added matter is whether a skilled man would, upon looking at the amended specification, learn anything about the invention which he could not learn from the unamended specification.””
“59. It follows that it is not permissible to introduce into a claim a feature taken from a specific embodiment unless the skilled person would understand that the other features of the embodiment are not necessary to carry out the claimed invention. Put another way, it must be apparent to the skilled person that the selected feature is generally applicable to the claimed invention absent the other features of that embodiment. 60. Ultimately the key question is once again whether the amendment presents the skilled person with new information about the invention which is not directly and unambiguously apparent from the original disclosure. If it does then the amendment is not permissible.” “I think the test of added matter is whether a skilled man would, upon looking at the amended specification, learn anything about the invention which he could not learn from the unamended specification.””
“A collecting bag for human body waste comprising a barrier film covered by a comfort layer, wherein the comfort layer is a textile material having a number of threads each comprising a plurality of fibre filaments, and said textile material is attached to said barrier film in one or more zones of attachment such that not all of the fibre filaments of the textile material in said zone(s) are embedded in the barrier film material.”