“Q. So I am right, that it is hard to imagine anyone less independent than you as an expert in this case. A. In the way you put it, yes.”
“The parts that stay in my mind is – when we talk about something, you need to stay on focus on your subject, not try to talks (sic) about changing your point of view, specifically this.”
“A. But for me if I look at those figures I see the possibility of three events. Either a circle or a flat, and the circles could be both directions here depending on how you interpret the data. So it is subjective. Q. Yes. So you cannot actually draw any conclusions from this data that support your hypothesis that it is a straight line, correct? A. My view is still the same. Q. But you have just told us that you can draw any number of hypotheses on this data. A. Yes. Q. So why is your view still the same on this data? A. My view is that there is a straight line. Q. This is an article of faith, is it not, Mr Palmer? A. No.”
“Q. The fact is that over this distance, this short, at the tangent point, scientifically you just cannot say from this data whether you are looking at something that is an arc or a straight line because the unevenness of the surface is sufficient to swamp any distinction between the two. Correct? A. That is exactly what you said, yes. Q. That is true, is it not? A. Yes.”
“Q. So your evidence is, you would not rely on the milling test to provide any useful information in this case. Is that right? A. Yes.”
“We do not know what we have exactly on the profile of the Pramet insert.”
“supplies or offers to supply in the United Kingdom a person other than a licensee or other person entitled to work the invention with any of the means, relating to an essential element of an invention, for putting the invention into effect when he knows or, or it is obvious to a reasonable person in the circumstances that those means are suitable for putting, and are intended to put, the invention into effect in the United Kingdom.”
“Advocates should recognise that where a point of patent law of general importance, such as the construction of a provision which by Treaty (either the EPC or the Community Patent Convention) is to be implemented by states parties to those conventions, has been decided by a court, particularly a higher court, of another member state, the decision matters here. For, despite the fact that there is no common ultimate patent court for Europe, it is of obvious importance to all the countries of the European Patent Union or the parties to the Community Patent Convention (“the CPC”) that as far as possible the same legal rules apply across all the countries where the provisions of the conventions have been implemented. An important decision in one member state may well be of strong persuasive value in all the others, particularly where the judgment contains clear reasoning on the point.”
“It is not necessary, however, for a person to know he is infringing a patent, only that the means may be used for putting the invention into effect. Accordingly, even if the supplier believed the supply was lawful and noninfringing this is no defence.”
“I do, however, reject Nokia’s “too complicated for us to know we infringe” point. It does not seem to me that the subsection is at all concerned with how difficult it is on the facts known to the alleged infringer to determine that he infringes. The sub-section is concerned and concerned only with whether he knows sufficient facts about what is to be done with the means supplied. If facts material to the allegation that the means are to be put to infringing use are hidden from him, then he will not infringe. But if the facts are known or obvious to him in the circumstances, their complexity does not afford a defence. Otherwise complicated inventions are less well protected than simple ones, which would not be a rational policy.”
“Q So your evidence taken as a whole is that the risk of producing a flat area of this tiny amount of 0.3mm or whatever it is would exist for anyone who was making an insert where they were merging two radii together. A Yes”
“Q. If one looks at figure 21, we can see exactly the same thing, can we not, except here, instead of purely straight lines, he has introduced a radius as well. A. Yes. Q. The point to the left of point 7 is again a straight line. A. It appears to be … Q. Any skilled person who was asked to implement figure 21, his natural reaction would be to implement it with a straight portion to the left of point 7 before the corner of the tool. A. It could be. Q. I suggest that is exactly what he would do. A. Figure 21, figure 22, figure 23, for me is looking at the conventional machine that we would do with perhaps a straight edge, a 90 degree tool, as against using it like this Q. Sorry, figure 21 and 22, you were looking at a slow pass tool. Is that right? Q. The tool is trying to explain about how the feed rate is achieving and finishing rather than anything else. He is looking at the feed rate. I look at this always to the right of figure 7, not to the left. A. But you agree that if a skilled person was asked to actually implement figure 21, his natural first reaction would be to use a flat portion to the left of point 7. A. Possibly, yes.”
“Q. But you agree that if a skilled person was asked to actually implement 21, his natural first reaction would be to use a flat portion to the left of point 7. A. Possibly, yes. Q. Just looking at the corners, the actual corners shown on figure 21, which I think you have pointed out in your report are shown to be sharp, the skilled person would realise that you could simply chamfer a small radius into those corners. A. Yes, I understand. Q. Yes, you agree? A. To take the corners off, yes – the sharp corners.”