‘No cipro given pre-procedure’
“MR DUFFY: In terms of the administration of diclofenac, a nurse would notify the patient in advance that a suppository was going to be placed in the rectum. That's right, isn't it? MR DEPPELER: They would indicate that it was going to be placed, yes. MR DUFFY: Because it's an internal examination, isn't it? MR DEPPELER: Correct.”
“MR DUFFY: I think you accept, then, that a patient should be told in advance that they're going to have a rectal examination and that diclofenac is going to be inserted? SECOND DEFENDANT: I totally agree that they should be told in advance, yes.”
“Mr Duffy: If he remembers the throat spray, the sedation hasn't affected his memory before the throat spray on the balance of probabilities? Dr Woodward: Then, yes, clearly the sedation hasn't affected his memory of the throat spray, if he recalls that.” ii) Dr Anderson was asked in cross examination (transcript 18.03.26, p. 14), “In relation to how far back it [sedation] might impede memory, if the claimant can remember the throat spray and the court accepts that evidence, he can probably remember before the throat spray; do you accept that?”
“MR DUFFY: And that's before they're sedated for obvious reasons? SECOND DEFENDANT: Yes. MR DUFFY: And before they're lying down on the trolley getting the xylocaine spray, for instance? SECOND DEFENDANT: Yes, it happens as part of the consent process.”
“MR DUFFY: Is there an option for a surgeon to say, ‘I want a different drug pre-populated on this sheet’, or does that have to be dealt with by other means? MR DEPPELER: It’s usually by other means, but if there was an additional drug, it is written on the short stay drug chart.”
“10.3 By convention and for obvious reasons, all prescriptions of medication must should be recorded in writing, as must should their administration.”
“39 b. … It is routine practice to sign for […] all medication at the end of the procedure when we know the exact doses that have been required during ERCP.”
“MR DUFFY: I mean, it’s a legal requirement, isn’t it, that administration take place after a direction in writing? MR DEPPELER: Yes. MR DUFFY: So there has to be something in writing first before you can administer a medication? MR DEPPELER: Not always during a procedure because you’re in the middle of a procedure so you could be asked to be given a drug. JUDGE ROBERTS: But if it was given before the procedure, wouldn’t the law be that it’s in writing first? MR DEPPELER: Yes.”
“MR DUFFY: So there has to be something in writing first before you can administer a medication? MR DEPPELER: Not always during a procedure because you’re in the middle of a procedure so you could be asked to be given a drug. JUDGE ROBERTS: But if it was given before the procedure wouldn’t the law be that it’s in writing first? MR DEPPELER: Yes”
“Put simply, my understanding of the records that I have interpreted for the Claimant are that the record of Diclofenac as stated by Dr Reffitt constitutes evidence that the medication was given as directed in relation to this patient. To me, it is inconceivable that a Consultant would request that nursing staff administer the medication and then they fail to do so. Furthermore, Dr Reffitt states in his Defence that he has a specific recollection of the medication being given. I refer again to my comment above that it is my usual practice to query with a Consultant whether they intend to give a patient Diclofenac during an ERCP procedure if such a request has not been made.” ii) Nurse Mondido’s evidence is contradictory. At paragraph 7 she says (R/28/p. 234), “It is usual practice to take verbal orders from a Consultant when undertaking an ERCP procedure”
“MR DUFFY: You would accept, wouldn't you, that when the consultant makes the ERCP report, that's not a nursing record, is it? NURSE MONDIDO: No. MR DUFFY: That's for the consultant to complete? NURSE MONDIDO: Yes.”
“My Lord, if I can be of assistance, Mr Deppeler, one of the second defendant's witnesses, expressly said at page 228 that an operating surgeon will invariably complete the operation notes immediately after the conclusion.”
‘Yes, absolutely’, you actually saw it administered? SECOND DEFENDANT: I saw her getting the medication. The part that I will say I’m -- JUDGE ROBERTS: Sorry, you saw her get the medication? SECOND DEFENDANT: I saw her get the medication. JUDGE ROBERTS: And where did she get that from? SECOND DEFENDANT: They have the medication ready on the side of the -- on the -- JUDGE ROBERTS: You saw her get that? SECOND DEFENDANT: The medication -- we have a sign-in at the beginning, we talk about what’s going to happen, I asked for rectal diclofenac to be given, and there’s a box with the rectal diclofenac. And we've got three nurses there, and Meryl says, ‘Yes, I'll give the rectal diclofenac’
“MR DUFFY: But, I mean, Nurse Meryl Bouwer should know, shouldn’t she, that it’s been given because she’s put it in your ERCP report? SECOND DEFENDANT: Yes, yes, she should. MR DUFFY: But she hasn’t included it here [in the Medication Discharge Summary], has she? SECOND DEFENDANT: No.”
“A. I have very good recollection of sign-in, Nurse Meryl Bouwer having on the side, in front of the cabinets -- having the rectal indomethacin out, and of the instruction -- the conversation, ‘Meryl, can you give the suppository?’. The actual giving it, I wasn’t watching it, but she said, ‘Yes, got it out’ -- and the actual giving of it, the putting it in, I don’t normally watch because I don’t want to.”
“The Bolam principle may be formulated as a rule that a doctor is not negligent if he acts in accordance with a practice accepted at the time as proper by a responsible body of medical opinion even though the other doctors adopt a different practice.”
“170. However, I do agree with Lord Rodger that doubling the risk is not an appropriate test of causation in cases to which the Fairchild exception does not apply. Risk is a forward-looking concept – what are the chances that I will get a particular disease in the future? Causation usually looks backwards – what is the probable cause of the disease which I now have? Epidemiology studies the incidence and prevalence of particular diseases and the associations between both of these and particular variables in the diseased population. From these it is possible to predict that a particular percentage of the population, for example of women aged between 60 and 70, will contract a particular disease, for example, breast cancer. It is also possible to say that certain variables, such as life-style or age of first child-bearing, are associated with a greater chance of developing the disease. So a doctor will sensibly advise her patient to behave in a way which will reduce the risks. But if the disease materialises, the existence of a statistically significant association between factor X and disease Y does not prove that in the individual case it is more likely than not that factor X caused disease Y. .... 172. But as a fact finder, how can one ignore these statistical associations? Factfinding judges are told that they must judge a conflict of oral evidence against “the overall probabilities” coupled with the objective facts and contemporaneous documentation: see, for example, Robert Goff LJ in Armagas Ltd v Mundogas SA (The “Ocean Frost”)[1985] 1 Lloyd’s Rep 1 , 57. Millions of pounds may depend upon their decision. Yet judges do not define what they mean by “the overall probabilities” other than their own particular hunches about human behaviour. Surely statistical associations are at least as valuable as hunches about human behaviour, especially when the judges are so unrepresentative of the population that their hunches may well be unreliable? Why should what a (always middle aged and usually middle class and male) judge thinks probable in any given situation be thought more helpful than well-researched statistical associations in deciding where the overall probabilities lie? As it seems to me, both have a place. Finding facts is a difficult and under-studied exercise. But I would guess that it is not conducted on wholly scientific lines. Most judges will put everything into the mix before deciding which account is more likely than not. As long as they correctly direct themselves that statistical probabilities do not prove a case, any more than their own views about the overall probabilities will do so, their findings will be safe.”
“The evidence actually is still somewhat contentious on whether it’s better in high-risk groups than low-risk groups. … To be honest, we still don’t really fully understand how it's working and therefore I think we would need to know that before we could say that with any clarity, and of course what we're looking at is the data, and the data is still somewhat contentious on whether high risk -- the benefit is in high risk more than in the low risk group.”
“MR DUFFY: I think effectively what you’re saying to his Lordship is that, in all these papers we’ve been through at length, the entire range in the brackets needs to be below 0.5. Is that the test which you say -- DR WOODWARD: Yes, that is how this would be interpreted by anybody who is used to looking at meta-analyses and uses meta-analyses in clinical practice or to inform practice. MR DUFFY: But this range is done on a 95% confidence interval -- DR WOODWARD: Yes. MR DUFFY: -- so 19 out of 20 times the answer is within this range, isn't it? DR WOODWARD: So confidence intervals, yes, it’s set at 95% confidence. That’s a -- that is what we use in medical science and in science, and for good reasons, and the range of 50% or a lower range than 95% can’t be applied here. This is a scientific answer. We need to provide the court with the best answer we can, not any answer, and so we can’t apply balance of probabilities to provide the probability to go into a balance of probabilities. That’s more like a meta-balance of probabilities. It has to -- we have to have a scientific standard, which is this. It’s not -- science can’t be based on balance of probabilities, ‘Is it more or less than 50%?’, and you can't then use that number to say, ‘Well, given that number that we’ve got, we’ll put that into a balance of probabilities and make an argument from it’. It has to be -- this is a scientific number to give us the best answer and the best idea of what that outcome is. MR DUFFY: Let's put it another way. Well, I'll ask this first, actually. You heard Professor Gilmore's evidence that he has looked at a 70% confidence interval in relation to the diclofenac rectal-only administration figure in Lyu, and if you use that level of confidence instead of 95, the range goes below 0.5. Do you agree with that? DR WOODWARD: I haven't done the statistics myself but it's quite possible that if you -- well, it's possible that -- probable that, if you reduce the certainty, you'll be able to find whatever number you want because then the range of uncertainty is so great that it becomes a meaningless statistic. … MR DUFFY: Professor Gilmore says, "I've run 70% confidence interval on the range in Lyu for the five studies and, if I do that, it all comes in under 0.5". … MR DUFFY: I think the position, amalgamating your two answers, is that you haven't run that yourself, that assessment of a 70% confidence, and it's possible that that does as Professor Gilmore says. DR WOODWARD: That sounds perfectly plausible, that if you're prepared to sacrifice any confidence in the answer you get, that you will be able to get an answer that you want.”
“PROFESSOR GILMORE: But if you take a 70% confidence limit, in other words you'll be right seven times out of ten, the confidence interval goes from about 0.2 to 0.49, so -- JUDGE ROBERTS: Which is what in percentage terms? PROFESSOR GILMORE: That means seven times out of ten it’s correct rather than just the balance of probabilities.”
“DR ANDERSON: I’m assuming in this case, because we have no other explanation, that thermal injury from the sphincterotomy --because there is no other explanation -- leads to oedema, swelling, in the adjacent area, which has led to short-term occlusion of the pancreatic duct, which leads to the process of pancreatitis. MR DUFFY: So it’s the occlusion of the ducts which prevents theescape of secretions from the pancreas? DR ANDERSON: Yes, and leads to a process of -- pancreatitis is basically auto-digestion of the pancreatic acinar, the cells. MR DUFFY: The term I used yesterday was ‘inflammatory cascade’. DR ANDERSON: Yes MR DUFFY: And the diclofenac is designed to -- when applied in an ERCP, it is designed to mitigate the inflammatory cascade. That's right, isn’t it? DR ANDERSON: Yes, I mean, that class of drugs has been known to act in that way and used in rheumatological practice for many, many years and -- so the mechanism action was well known and it’s one of several classes of drugs that have been experimented with to try and reduce the incidence of pancreatitis, which is regarded as the gravest downside of this procedure. MR DUFFY: So where there is an obstruction and an inflammatory cascade occurs, on the balance of probabilities diclofenac will make some contribution to mitigate it? DR ANDERSON: We believe that that’s the mechanism of action, and it clearly does. MR DUFFY: And that contribution is going to be more than negligible, isn't it? DR ANDERSON: Well, we didn’t know until we did the studies, but we now believe it is clearly more than negligible, yes. MR DUFFY: There is a further point which relates to severity of pancreatitis, so once it is established how bad it’s going to be, and the literature does support a reduction of severity even in cases where pancreatitis isn’t avoidable. Do you agree with that? DR ANDERSON: It reduces severity, I would accept, but in this case the severity was dramatic, terrible, and that is so uncommon that we don’t have any literature to guide us at that degree of severity.”
“MR DUFFY: There was not then a suggestion at this point that NSAIDs should be restricted to high-risk cases, was there? DR WOODWARD: No, practice had moved on from that by this stage, I would say, and we were now recommending it for all cases -- MR DUFFY: All cases? DR WOODWARD: -- in -- yes, around this time. MR DUFFY: All right. I think in Europe the position was from as far back as 2014 to recommend giving in all cases. That's right, isn't it? DR WOODWARD: Yes.”