"The question whether the First Defendants are liable to the Claimants for the fees of W.K. Webster & Co, and, if so, the quantum of those fees. "
"a long-established company which provides (among other things) the services in relation to marine casualties, including work in relation to salvage and general average issues (‘salvage/GA work’) and recovery services, being work to obtain a recovery from the appropriate party, usually the contractual carrier or owner of the vessel (‘Recovery Work’). "
"Salvage/GA work is usually charged on a time and trouble basis. The agent will charge on the basis of an hourly rate for the individual claims handler, according to the amount of time spent. These hourly rates vary, but will certainly be less than London City solicitors’ fees for doing the same work. They will be in the approximate region of£40 -£175 per hour depending on the firm of agents instructed and the seniority of the claims agent involved. "
"2. Estimated time The submission made that all the time has been estimated by the costs draftsman is incorrect. Some of the time is taken from the estimates provided by Mr Sharma at the trial hearing. The process adopted in preparing the bill of costs was that the costs draftsman prepared the initial draft bill and that was then sent to Mr Sharma for his consideration. The costs draftsman and Mr Sharma then considered the draft bill in detail together and the bill was amended to take account of Mr Sharma’s personal recollection of the work involved. For the record, this resulted in the time initially estimated by the costs draftsman being both reduced as well as increased, depending on the views of Mr Sharma. Mr Sharma also pointed out during this process that although he felt that the overall time claimed was a substantial underestimate of the time actually spent, he was unable to provide, with any real confidence, further specific examples of where the estimated time was too low to allow further time to be claimed. This is hardly surprising in view of the amount of time that has elapsed since the work was done. As the defendants have pointed out, there was no obvious record of the time spent by recovery agents at the time the work was under-taken; however, this is not a reasonable ground for disallowing the time claimed (see Re Frascati [1981] unreported). In fact, prior to the use of proper time recording methods now routinely employed by most solicitors, time was invariably estimated by the costs draftsman and was routinely allowed, even in the absence of proper attendance records. The recovery agent’s time should not be disallowed purely because of an absence of time records that do not exist because the keeping of detailed time records is not a usual requirement for claims for recovery agents at this time."
"A. Yes, I go through the file. Depending on what sort of quantum we are looking at, broadly speaking, go through and make a narrative of what we did and make an evaluation of how long we spend doing it, and we would then, you know, consider if there is a reason for discounting and we would estimate, you know, a reasonable fee. Q. You say you estimate a reasonable fee? A. We would arrive at a reasonable fee based on the, you know, past experience that we have had. "
"A. I flick through the correspondence. I mean, obviously if .. I have already read it once and dealt with it once and doubtless I have re-read it a number of times whilst dealing with the case, so all that is required, I do not need to painstakingly read every word, just refresh your memory, you know, read as much as you think you need to read to make your evaluation. "
"A. They have regard, I would guess, to commercially what the market will be prepared to pay, what the relevant experience and abilities are of the claims handlers, and I think those would be the broad basis. "
"Plainly, Order 62, Rule 18(1) envisages that a litigant in person cannot recover more than it would have cost if the services of a solicitor had been employed: paragraph (2) which limits the amount allowed in respect of any item (save for any disbursement) to two-thirds of a solicitor’s costs against proper charge, is a rule of thumb measure aimed at deducting the profit element in the solicitor’s bill. By analogy it may be thought appropriate that the fees of a claims consultant, whether charged on a fixed basis, or by the hour, or as a basic fee plus a percentage, should be taxed so as to produce a result which removes the de facto protection hitherto afforded to a paying party by the unspoken assumption in Order 62 that a solicitor’s reasonable charges (subject to taxation) represent the maximum amount of costs recoverable. "
"RSC Order 62, Rule 18 (1) Subject to the provisions of this Rule, on any taxation of the costs of the litigant in person there may be allowed such costs as would have been allowed if the work and disbursements to which the costs relate had been done or made by a solicitor on the litigant’s behalf together with any payments reasonably made by him for legal advice relating to the conduct of or the issues raised by the proceedings. (2) The amount allowed in respect of any items shall be such sum as the taxing officer thinks fit but not exceeding, except in the case of a disbursement, two-thirds of the sum which in the opinion of the taxing officer would have been allowed in respect of that item if the litigant had been represented by a solicitor.CPR 48.6 (1) This Rule applies where the court orders (whether by summary assessment or detailed assessment) that the costs of a litigant in person are to be paid by any other person. (2) The costs allowed under this Rule must not exceed (except in the case of a disbursement) two-thirds of the amount which would have been allowed if the litigant in person had been represented by a legal representative. "
"Summary Fee earner Time Total of partner time to30 April 2001 63 hours 57 mins Total of partner time after30 April 2001 87 hours 23 mins Total of partner time after30 April 2001 13 hours 34 mins Total of assistant solicitor time to30 April 2000 89 hours 36 mins Total of assistant solicitor time to30 October 2000 75 hours 19 mins Total of assistant solicitor time to30 April 2001 62 hours 10 mins Total of assistant solicitor time after30 April 2001 197 hours 12 mins Total of assistant solicitor time after30 April 2001 33 hours 41 mins Total of assistant solicitor time after30 April 2001 (LDC) 5 hours 5 mins Trainee time 253 hours 50 mins Legal assistant time 12 hours 25 mins Cost draftsman time 10 hours 3 mins"
"A second preliminary issue has been stated as follows: ‘2. If the court does have power to allow amounts for the costs so incurred by the unqualified person in relation to the conduct of the arbitration, are those costs to be allowed or to be assessed on the basis set out by Master Hurst in William Tarr & Co Ltd v Royal Insurance plc (8 April 1989 , unreported), that being that the costs recovered cannot, by virtue of Rule 28(1) of Order 62 be more than the amount recoverable had the arbitration been conducted by solicitor and counsel and, if not, upon what basis should they be assessed or allowed.’ "
"These hourly rates vary, but will certainly be less than London City solicitors’ fees for doing the same work. "
"In my judgment, in the light of the approach of Parker and Evans JJ in more recent cases, claims such as this [for unrecorded time] are likely to be viewed with very considerable care and it would only be in an unusual case that any substantial allowance should be made for unrecorded time. "
"determining the preliminary issue in favour of the claimant, that the words "of and incidental to" in the consent order refer to the court’s discretion to award costs conferred bySection 51 of the Supreme Court Act 1981 andCPR 44.3 ; and that costs incurred from the time when the claimant reasonably suspected that the defendants had committed or were committing the wrongs that subsequently became the subject of a claim were within that discretion; that that principle applied notwithstanding that some of the costs were incurred before the claimant instructed a solicitor; that although in general the work of a litigants’ employees in investigating, formulating and prosecuting legal proceedings did not qualify for an order for the payment of costs of and incidental to those proceedings, there was an exception in the case of the reasonable, actual and direct costs of work conducted by the employees of a litigant which, if done by an expert who was not an employee, would have been recoverable as a item of costs; but the exception was not limited to actions for patent infringement but applied to litigation involving claims for wrongful use of confidential information; and that, accordingly, dependent on whether the claimants employees were truly experts and of the nature of the work they carried out, the reasonable costs on all the work they did in relation to the claim were recoverable. "
"In general, however, I cannot in this judgment reach a decision as to whether the employees of the claimant were sufficiently qualified to be experts, or whether individual items of their work constituted work of an expert nature so as to qualify as the subject of a costs order. The witness statement of Mr Ayres, the second defendant, gives powerful reasons why most of the work that is the subject of the claimant’s contentions does not so qualify, and indeed why some of the claimant’s staff involved were not experts. These questions are for the next stage of these proceedings. "
"As is often the case, had recovery agents not been involved insurers would themselves have had to undertake much or all of the work, with the assistance of other specialists, no doubt at far greater expense than our fee. The work that we undertook was, therefore, of great importance to Allianz South Africa who only had one employee dealing with marine claims at that time. "
"112. Amec engaged its own personnel and agency staff to undertake much of the work involved in collating, analysing and presenting the primary evidence and the supporting evidence of Mr Prudhoe. These personnel also undertook much of the preparation of the visual essential aids such as isographs, histograms, graphs, bar charts, photographs, tables, as built programmes and overlays. Had this work been undertaken, at greater expense and with the use of many more hours of time, by legally qualified personnel employed by Masons, as Amec’s solicitors, this work would in principle be recoverable. However, Stork maintains that it is irrecoverable in principle because of the impact of the Richards & Wallingford case decided in 1984 and the even older case of Re: Nossen’s Patent. Both cases, having been decided under the RSC, are of no assistance in determining this question under the CPR even if the wording of the relevant rules is similar. 113.
"Costs 12. The issue raised by paragraph 1.1 of the order is whether and to what extent may the claimant company recover by way of costs sums in respect of the time and work of its own employees. 13. The claimant concedes that in the ordinary way a company cannot recover by way of costs any payment for the time of its employees engaged in investigating or prosecuting its claim. It contends that some of its employees were experts in the field of computers, and that it is entitled to recover sums for their work in connection with the claims against the defendants. It also contends that its employees provided expert services in determining whether documents found on the defendant’s computers were the claimant’s documents or copied or derived from its documents or contained the claimant’s confidential information. 14. The defendants dispute that they have accepted liability for the costs claimed. They deny that costs may be awarded in respect of the time of a company’s expert staff working on a claim. In addition they dispute that any of the staff in question were experts for this purpose. They dispute that the level of expertise involved was sufficient to qualify them as experts. It was also submitted on their behalf that, since none of them would or could be called as expert witnesses in the proceedings, on account of their lack of independence, accordingly, nothing could be recovered for their time or work. The items of costs recoverable 27. As I mentioned above, the claimant accepts that in general the work of a party’s employees in investigating, formulating and prosecuting a claim by legal proceedings does not qualify for an order for the payment of costs of and incidental to those proceedings. The claimant relies on the exception to that general rule described in Re Nossen’s Letter Patent[1969] 1 WLR 638 . "
"28. The bill of costs prepared by Thomas Cooper starts with a narrative which includes the following description of the role played by Grant Thornton; "
"86. Our view of the 8% agreement was that it should have appeared attractive not merely to the claimants but to the Government, who would ultimately be liable to pay the costs if the claims succeeded. The Government would, in any event, only be liable to pay reasonable costs, which would be likely to be assessed on an hourly rate basis. Thus, for the Government, the 8% would be likely to operate as a cap. "
"1.1 (1) These rules are a procedural code for the overriding objective of enabling the court to deal with cases justly. (2) Dealing with the case justly includes, so far as is practicable – (b) saving expense; (c) dealing with the case in ways which are proportionate – (i) to the amount of money involved; (ii) to the importance of the case; (iii) to the complexity of the issues; and (iv) to the financial position of each party."
"It is with regard to the Judge’s approach to the previous authorities that Mr Shaw makes particular complaint in his helpful submission to this court. He submits that, certainly in relation to a transitional case, the Judge’s approach was wrong. All the Judge said in his judgment on this matter to which Mr Shaw takes objection, was: "
"I very much doubt whether any of the old authorities can assist, although it is perfectly true, as counsel both pointed out to me, that in some of the later striking out cases, and I do not propose going through them for the reason I have just expressed, there were foreshadowings and expressions of view as to how things might be under the new order. I have to say that this court’s view, after extensive training and good deal of discussion and thought, is that the new order will look after itself and develop its own ethos and that references to old decisions and old rules are a distraction. "
"Accordingly this might be thought obvious that the interpretation placed upon those words in Ladd v Marshall should apply equally to schedule 1 to the Civil Procedure Rules. His Lordship said that that was not necessarily the case. Because of the imperative contained in Rule 1.2 of the new Rules the principles of interpretation by which those Rules were to be interpreted were not the same as those applied by the Court of Appeal in Ladd v Marshall. Accordingly, even where provisions were identically worded, the old Rules could not necessarily be followed in interpreting the new. "
"6. In this case, neither party contended that I should approach the pre April 1999 costs in any different fashion to those incurred since or that there was any appreciable difference between pre April 1999 costs and post April 1999 costs. This was important since a significant proportion of Amec’s costs that were incurred which were the subject of discussion, such as the costs of Amec’s employees engaged in the evidence preparation, might have been subject to different considerations in the pre 1999 period … "
"11. I have already stated that it is not usually helpful to refer to costs cases decided under the RSC costs regime when applying the replacement CPR costs regime to the facts of a particular case. This can be seen from this passage of May LJ taken from Reid Minty (A Firm)’s case: "
"… the Defendants are prepared to accept (as they did before Cresswell J) that the Claimants may be entitled to some very limited costs. Where work has been undertaken by Websters, which would otherwise have been undertaken by Richards Butler (and recoverable if done by them) then subject to the other reasonableness issues (i.e. duplication, etc) in this assessment, the Defendants accept that the Claimants would be entitled to such costs … "
"… collating, analysing and presenting primary evidence and supplying evidence of Mr Pridhoe … and overlays. "
"also provided other services, ancillary to the conduct of the litigation by the Claimants solicitors, which would customarily have been provided by the solicitors, including the collection of documentary evidence, liaising with the Claimant in Spain and advising on offers to settle. "
"Further references are made to the bill of costs of Richards Butler and in particular the times claimed on page 24. Richards Butler’s own costs were increased by virtue of the tardy and ineffectual production of the documents relevant to quantum by WK Webster. Rather than hand over all their relevant files to Richards Butler prior to standard disclosure, Websters chose to sift themselves and provide them in a piecemeal fashion over a period of more than 12 months (which is reflected in the inter-solicitor correspondence). Clearly, Websters did not appreciate and understand the Claimants disclosure obligations. This arrangement increased the time and therefore the costs of Richards Butler. It is wholly inappropriate for WK Webster to seek to recover any of this time in producing documents, where the Defendants have already suffered an increase in their costs liability for Richards Butler’s time as a direct result of WK Webster’s involvement. Furthermore, the estimated times are excessive and/or this should have been regarded as client’s work. "
"28.11.00 Perusing and considering files in order to locate documents relevant to cargo details and policy numbers. 20 hours "
"18 Costs (1) Any assessment of costs that takes place on or after26 April 1999 will be in accordance with CPR Parts 43 to 48. (2) However, the general presumption is that no costs for work undertaken before26 April 1999 will be disallowed if those costs would have been allowed in a costs taxation before26 April 1999 . (3) The decision as to whether to allow costs for work undertaken on or after 26 April will generally be taken in accordance with CPR Parts 43 to 48. The Costs Practice Direction contains more information on the operation of the transitional arrangements in relation to costs. "
"45(iii) On my view of the agreement (for the reasons set out below) the defendants are protected to the extent that they are only liable to pay reasonable costs in accordance with the order set out below. I refer in particular to the protections and limitations included in paragraphs 1 and 2 and 4 of the order set out below. The detailed assessment underCPR 47 will no doubt be on an hourly rate basis. The 5% will of course operate as an upper cap, but I anticipate that assessment of costs in accordance with the order set out below will produce a sum far less than that which is admittedly payable by Allianz to Websters. 47(3) Allianz will serve a bill of costs in respect of the services performed by Websters for which it claims to recover costs in accordance withCPR 44.4 (2), such bill to comply with Section 4 of the Costs Practice Direction (43PD4 ) and to set out in particular: (a) the items of services claimed for; (b) the amount of costs claimed for each item of the services claimed for; (c) the time spent on each item; and (d) the hourly rate claimed to apply to such time."
"… I doubt whether it would succeed because I would have thought the best guidance available is paragraph 86 at hourly rate basis "
"19.02.02 Perusing and considering claim against limitation fund by other cargo claimants and preparing a schedule of cargo claim and package limitation breakdown by way of exchange. 4 hours"