“I enclose draft side letter for your approval. I understand that Richard [Hayward] released keys to Craig [Lloyd] yesterday and so the term commencement date in the documentation should be12 April 2010 .”
“At the meeting, Craig said he didn't have enough money to continue doing the pods. That was a complete surprise to us.”
“Craig was in the office yesterday to discuss the project generally and he is due to meet Richard again to consider different ways in which the project may proceed. So we may in due course agree to ditch the existing contract anyway!”
“You’ve got no landlord worries, with no bills, no rent. All we have to pay is the utilities.”
“Cancel Agreement for Lease Replace with a JV Agreement We pay£20,000 He finishes off 10 units → (Kane has it all written down) He will manage the old [?] unit and old SW Windows unit (F1 and F2) → so all expenditure (rates utilities etc) covered by JV Pay£5,000 in to advertising 50% of profit after deduction of expenditure etc security guard Sirocco to invoice [?]”
“The Owner’s works are partially completed and preparatory works undertaken by the Manager [i.e. SA1 Ltd] are partially completed but the Manager is unable to complete its proposed preparatory works”
“The Owner shall contribute up to£20,000 towards the Manager’s Works such contribution to be made [direct to contractors] against invoices properly raised and addressed to the Owner in respect of the Manager’s Works.”
“The Owner shall contribute up to£20,000 towards the Manager’s Works such contribution to be made [direct to contractors] against invoices properly raised and addressed to and approved by the Owner in respect of the Manager’s Works.” (I have added the underlining to show the text added beyond that in the second draft.) A manuscript addendum read: “5 year deal with 3 years notice either side.”
“Re: Craig Lloyd JV – part of AWCO 3 years notice Contribute up to£20,000 for works£5,000 ”
“Mr Lloyd has asked me to e-mail you about his relationship with us at the Awco building in Swansea. We are the managing agent appointed by the landlord (Sirocco Holdings) and Mr Lloyd has entered into a joint venture with the landlord on part of the building. He is authorised by us to collect rents on behalf of the joint venture which may be paid by cash, cheque or by direct transfer in the bank. He then accounts to us for rents collected. In addition as part of the jv arrangement he is responsible for the building and maintenance works carried out.”
“There was some suggestion that his father might get involved in the management of the Site but I didn't take it seriously because I didn't think he had the necessary experience.”
“Richard said we cannot be associated with criminals and therefore the joint venture is at an end. I think it was also discussed that the joint venture wasn't making any money anyway.”
“117. We had a meeting in May 2014, after I got out of prison, with my dad and Richard. I went to the meeting and I hoped that Richard try and sort everything out, but that never happened. Richard was really rude to us; he just ‘pooh-poohed’ everything we said. My father after the meeting that he didn’t seek how it could keep carrying on like it was if he was treating me like this. There was no discussion in the meeting about the JV having ended, or going to end, or that there were any issues with what my father had been doing in my absence. 118. I had no correspondence with Richard at that point. There was no discussion about the joint venture ending at that point. …”
“78. Craig accepted that the joint venture was over, but by then he was somewhat aggrieved by this and suggested it might be renewed, which was rejected. He also suggested he was entitled to sums due to him up to the date of termination and was asking what was the value of the joint venture. I said I would write to him and set out what I thought the value was, and I think Kane and said it was worth nothing. The meeting was civil, we didn't fall out, and next day I wrote the letter.”
“RH: You can’t contribute. CL: I know, but what I am trying to obviously say is from my point of view, if I had just done what I was going to do originally I wouldn’t have this problem and it wouldn’t be … RH: You couldn’t. CL: No, no. I did it because I did what I did, I agreed with you. RH: You couldn’t because you didn’t have the money. You came to us and said ‘Look, I am sorry, I can’t do this.’ CL: Can I just say, because I don’t want to argue, right, I really don’t, but you have got that slightly wrong honestly. Let me just explain it one more time because this is how it happened. You called a meeting here and I came up and you asked me how I was getting on, and obviously I wasn’t going to tell you, ‘I have got loads of money, I am flying, I have got this, that and the other’, because my rent was due in a couple of months. But what had happened was I said to you, I said ‘Things are all right’, I said, ‘We are going forward. We have got a couple of tenants blah blah blah, whatever. You have been down there.’ And you said ‘Yeah, it looks all right, it looks all right. I have got this bill for Lambert Smith Hampton.’ (You had it there,£20,000 -odd whatever it was.) ‘I don’t want to pay that’, you said, ‘you know, that is throwing money away. I would rather do something where, you know, perhaps I give you the£20,000 and we do the rent between us. That way if you are a bit strapped for money you can carry on building as opposed to waiting for the rents to come in and we will do it 50/50. You will have no rent on the building, so you are 50/50 venture-wise, but obviously with you not having any rent.’ So, obviously, I thought, yes, great, that sounds marvellous. RH: I don’t remember that. What I remember was that you came to us and you said, ‘I would like to do this.’ Your partners from when you first came along had somewhat – you told me one of them had let you down and didn’t have the money to do this going forward, which is why I then said to you, ‘All right. Well look, we will put some of the money up. How much do you need?’ I have forgotten how much it was now but it was us having to put money in. We certainly had to put money in, was it£20,000 ? CL: It was£20,000 , yes. It was£20,000 in a couple of payments that they put into it. RH: I remember that and, you know, we then do it on a JV basis. That is what I remember. CL: Yes. No, it was. That is exactly what it was but it wasn’t the fact that I don’t have money. I was just – all I was doing, because I didn’t have bundles of money, I wasn’t building fast, I was just plodding on. That is all it was. That is all it was. You said, ‘How many more units will£20,000 do?’ And I said, ‘I am up to, like, (whatever it was,) eight units and obviously ...’ RH: What do you think about that? KA: I honestly think you came to us and said, ‘I am struggling with money.’ CL: Right. Well … KA: That is my memory. It was a long time ago but maybe that is what we took from what you said. CL: Maybe, yes. KA: That is not what you were saying but that is it. You know, we were (unclear). I think that that (unclear) pay rent here.”
“RH: Right. I think the way that you go forward is don’t fall out with us. It is silly to fall out with us, is what I think. CL: I don’t want to. I don’t want to. RH: Well, don’t. Don’t fall out with us because I don’t bear a grudge with anybody in life, you know, if I don’t like somebody I’ll tell them. But go and find something that is meaningful to do. I am not worried if I spend£10 million or£20 million . I am not bothered about the size of the deal. …” 33.3 There was a fairly lengthy discussion (pages 13 to 15 of the transcript) about cars that were subject to leasing agreements. Mr Hayward said that he was “quite happy to go on at the moment”—that is, making the payments for the cars; he said, “You know, you need a car.”
“CL: The thing is the car is obviously -- the cars are okay because you need a car to drive around in, but I would sooner have a lump of money in my pocket and not have the car at all, because obviously I could do stuff with that. The car is not earning me any money, you know what I mean? Like for you it is different, you have got the car because it doesn’t matter but, you know, if you were in my position the cars aren’t …. RH: The company hasn’t got the money. The trouble is it is an offshore company. The bank hasn’t given us any money in that company for years. Everything that we have done we have had to fund ourselves. CL: Yes. RH: That’s what has created the business. CL: Yes. RH: We are owed 400,000-odd by that company. That is how much we have put in in total.” 33.4 There was discussion about the payment of mortgage interest as an expense to be deducted before the profits of the Joint Venture were calculated. At page 22 of the transcript Mr Lloyd said, “[O]bviously you have got to look at the figures of£30,000 a month, the interest which I didn’t want to pay but we agreed at£8,000 .” 33.5 The last part of the meeting began with this exchange: “CL: So where are we now, what do you think, money wise? (Unclear) I have found other things. There will be other things ---- RH: I haven’t really made my mind up, Craig. You know, at the moment I am happy to sort out those cars with you I think is where I am. (Unclear) That, you know, that is something which I think I am going to do. So, you know, that is going to cost me£50,000 , is the (unclear) that that is going to cost me. So I am happy to do that. Beyond that, I don’t think it is worth any more ---- CL: Whatever you get me, whatever you write a cheque for me for, whether it is one cheque every three months, every six months, whatever. Whatever you give me, I guarantee you I will make you quadruple in probably two or three years. I am being serious. There is not many people that ---- RH: I am not prepared to write you out a cheque for hundreds of thousands because ---- CL: No, I am not saying in one go. I know you aren’t going to. You could do it. You could do whatever – you know, you have got the facility and ---- RH: Craig, it’s not worth it to me. I might as well just (unclear). CL: No, but it will be worth it to you. RH: But it’s not ----”
“Thank you for the letter. Your invoices would be helpful and I suggest when you are ready, come and see me and we can look at them. In the meantime I am asking Kane to have a Surveyor look at the work and give us a costing. I enclose a summary of the figures which is helpful. Kane has all the back-up figures and, again, we can go through these when we meet.”
“Thank you very much for your letter of 17th July enclosing the summary of figures for the accounts for 10 months ending April 2014. I am still putting together all of the invoices to show the£110,000.00 plus which I have paid into the joint venture and I am pleased that Kane is also arranging for a surveyor to confirm verify those figures and costing. Please ask the surveyor to contact me if he needs any information with regard to the building works or the costings themselves, as I am happy to help. Although the summary figures that you sent through are a great help, they of course do not give the full income and expenditure in the period from the start of the joint venture in June 2011, when we varied our agreement from a formal lease through LSH to this joint venture. From that time under our joint venture I have built out the units, found tenants and they have obviously been paying rent. For my own tax purposes I need to have accounts in respect of this joint venture partnership from that period up to date. I will also need to have a breakdown of the figures as I do not understand the£74,481.00 of direct property costs relating to the joint venture in that 10 month period to April 2014. Similarly I do not understand ‘general costs’ at all as these were never discussed or agreed as being deductable (sic) from the joint venture proceeds, neither was the company’s ‘interest charges’ and finance payments part of our deal. Those finance costs had already been incurred prior to the joint venture and were never to form part of the joint venture deductions. You will recall we varied our agreement on my lease on the basis that I would build out the unit, find tenants and other than direct costs in respect of that project and the units themselves the proceeds would be split 50/50. As you recall I have an e-mail in September 2011 confirming this, including at that time a Bank statement for the joint venture showing a significant credit balance to be divided between us. I am under some pressure to produce proper accounts and do tax returns and therefore it is really important that I do have the full accountancy information for this joint venture showing the full income and a full breakdown of any costs that are to be deducted. Clearly, I need to agree those costs as at the current time I have no idea what ‘general costs’ and ‘finance costs’ are which you have deducted from our joint venture income. If it is easier I am happy to speak directly with Peter [Symons] the accountant to provide this information but I do need it going back to the start date of 2011 for the joint venture. I am pleased that the Kings Dock project has been concluded and that you are happy with it and I shall send my invoice for this over to you shortly as discussed. If you need any additional help on the Kings Dock at all I have told Richard Pretty to contact me, I would be delighted to help. Finally, as you are aware I am also looking at further future projects for our joint investment and I hope to have good news with this in the next few weeks. I really do now need to hear from the accountants with regard to documentation and as I say I am happy to speak directly with Peter the accountant on this if it saves your time.”
“I received your letter of the27th August 2014 and I best send you a copy of the letter sent to you on the15th May 2014 setting out what we required to look into the value of the JV (if any). I have accounts but these are incomplete until such time as we have the requested invoices etc. I have also asked why we would owe you money at Kings Dock and I cannot recollect you doing any work for me. If you have worked on the instruction of anyone else then let me know. It is not a problem. Finally am anxious to resolve these issues as I have other big potential purchases in hand and they would suit your skills.”
“I have added contingency amortisation of£25000 into the accounts for the period 10mths accounts to April 2014.”
“I am writing with regards to the monies due and still outstanding from Jv at alco. My Solicitor has agreed to proceed under a no win no fee contract and is now pressing me to commence legal proceedings against you. … Therefore my question is, would you prefer to settle this out of court? I would need to hear from you with your proposals by return.”
“I am still awaiting to hear from you with the information that was requested. If you were to instruct a lawyer we would do the same and we would immediately stop the payments for your vehicles. It would also stop all further business between us and again I cannot think how that is helpful to you.”
“Richard I do have the invoices for over 114k as I’ve previously discussed with you, but my position is that because I gave all paperwork and emails regarding Jv from day one to the solicitor in June 2014 they want to proceed on a no win no fee and if I do not then I have to pay for work done up to date which they say is around 3k. I also am struggling to raise finance myself on several things atm with lack of deposits. I would like a resolution and put it behind us so we can move forward with other things too, I've never been anything other than honest and true to you which is why I hope we can continue to do business.”
“You must do what you feel is right for you and in the meantime we will now consider our position in relation to the finance agreements we are paying on your two vehicles. As we are to have a fight then there is no reason for us to continue with that cost and I must ask you to return the vehicles to us within the next week and to remind you that any misappropriation will be considered as theft and criminal consequences will flow. It is a pity that our relationship has fallen to this level but we have repeatedly asked you to let us have the information but despite your confirmation that you have them we are yet to receive the invoices.”
“I brought copies of these invoices along to a meeting that I had with you, however you were not interested in them as you stated that you just valued the joint venture as the total of the cars. You say you want the invoices, I hope this means that you are now prepared to pay me the money on receipt of these invoices.”
“Just to clarify one or two things, firstly I have not pursued the Jv money issue for the moment, because you assured me that last year I would have many more opportunities with you, however it was in fact the case that I've collected numerous debts all at no cost and also the jobs I was promised in Newport were never given to me for the sake of a couple of grand. Also I've sold numerous vehicles for you at no benefit to me. … I've already put every penny I had into the Alco Jv venture, and with the paperwork & statements I have, any jury will see what you have done to me and my family. I did want to continue to work with you as I respected and liked you, but I know it's only business for you, but not fair business, you are cold and calculating and will obviously stop at nothing to avoid paying me. You are the one steering this towards the court by your complete denial of the monies you owe to me.”
“Despite what you say about the invoices I have not seen any papers which substantiate your claim. I know what money we have introduced but I have no idea what your figures are. You did produce a pile of invoices when you came to the office but they could have related to any job you were doing at the time and were no conclusive evidence and further could have been paid by our money as opposed to yours. The rest of what you write is not accepted. I had hoped that you would take up the offer and try to find other properties which we could have worked on together and which would have provided some income for you. So far you have not produced one property that we could buy. … If you change your mind and want to be involved then I leave the door open for you to come back but other than that you must do what you want.”
“Richard did nothing personally in the joint venture other than facilitate the office and provide the administration services. I was doing all the work, and he was provid[ing] the administration involvement. He funded the£20,000 and nothing else. Apart from that, he never actually put any money in.”
“At the time of entering into the Joint Venture the parties agreed that Mr Lloyd had already carried out works at a cost in the region of£80,000 . At no time prior to these proceedings has either Defendant suggested that Mr Lloyd was contractually required to produce evidence substantiating that expenditure.”
“RH You've got to, um, I mean when you say, um, I dunno, we’ve got invoices for SA1. I mean, you didn’t send me the invoices did you? CL: What the, how do you mean? The ones, sent you them when? RH: Well, you said in the first paragraph here [that is, of the email] ‘I've done that, what you asked and got what invoices for SA1 totalling well over£80,750 ’. CL: Yeah. That's right. RH: Um, ‘I think the final figure on the invoices like come to well over a hundred K’ CL: Yeah. RH: ‘That I've spent certainly in that period, I can also show the re-mortgage and the loan’. But you didn't attach those invoices. CL: Oh no, no, I haven't attached anything, no, I've said, just obviously saying to you obviously you’re not going to give me anything until you see, see all the paperwork but it’s pointless me bringing everything up to you and then you still saying well there’s this, that and the other. …”
“It was agreed that all expenditure would be deducted before the profits would be divided 50:50. There was no limit to the relevant expenditure discussed, and in particular it was not agreed that mortgage interest would be excluded. We would not have gone into the joint venture if we had had to pay the interest. This was particularly so in that Craig Lloyd was getting a wage or priority return. I would not have agreed to interest being excluded, not least because that would have been a cost for Sirocco alone, he had no downside, only upside.”
“I didn’t discuss the costs of the mortgage at the time when we made the agreement, but it became clear that we couldn’t afford to carry on unless the mortgage interest was borne.”
“This is my final adjustment to this projection at least today. It’s been decided to charge the Joint Venture interest based on the square footage of the total site. According to Kane’s schedule the joint venture total space is 67.98 % of the site. Therefore, based on my interest projection the joint venture will pay for 67.98 % or£ 89921 . All other assumptions remain the same:- … Annualised rent for September 12 is£ 271712 . … Drawings:- 1st£ 20000 to Craig Lloyd spread evenly over the year. 50% share in the surplus thereafter. Surplus is calculated after deducting the Cap Ex on each new unit built. Surplus is after deducting£88921 of loan interest projected per annum Projected drawings Craig Lloyd -£ 74352 pa Projected drawings RHP -£ 54352 Ability to pay drawings depends on Sirocco company cash liquidity.”
“JV Interest is based on£89921 allocated to Joint Venture – Richard decision 12 mths ago”.”
“Because the lease I had been discussing with LSH was for 15 years, Richard said that the JV would be for longer than the lease; he didn’t say an exact term, but it said that it would be more advantageous to do the deal with him than signing the lease – he was trying to make it an attractive deal to me.”
“It was relatively fluid. We would just see how it went.”
“1. Definition of partnership (1) Partnership is the relation which subsists between persons carrying on a business in common with a view of profit.”
“Putting the matter broadly, what section 2 makes clear is that the carrying on of business (in whatever way) by a number of individuals with a view to making a profit and sharing such profits between them does not necessarily mean that there is a partnership. The matter is pre-eminently one for the first instance judge hearing all the evidence and submissions pertaining to the business relationship between the parties.”
“Certain aspects of the relationship, such as agency (sections 5 and 6) and joint and several liability (section 9), are of importance to the existence of a partnership.”
“41. I first became aware of problems between Mr Hayward and Craig when Craig was arrested. 42. When he found out that Craig had been arrested by the Police, I think Mr Hayward believed he could use this incident to get his hands on the whole SA1 project; Mr Hayward said he couldn't possibly be seen to be involved with someone who had been involved with the Police. 43. … Craig was in prison for quite a long time before he was released, and so Mr Hayward essentially had a free hand he didn't have to share the joint venture money, in his eyes. He acted as though Craig wasn’t going to be getting anything from him or the business after his arrest. 44. … As soon as Craig was in prison, Kane took over his role, dealing with the tenants and collecting rents etc. I understand from Craig that he was eventually released but it seemed like he was in custody for a very long time, it felt like it went on for ever. … 46. Craig’s arrest was really the catastrophic event that triggered Mr Hayward to take control of SA1. Mr Hayward’s approach was effectively, ‘this is no longer a joint venture.’ …”
“When Craig was in prison, the management of the Site was taken over by RHP, mostly by me. I did all the work he had previously done as well as the work I had been doing anyway, but Paul Hayward-Medway (husband of Richard's daughter Leone) may have helped. Craig's father had no involvement at all that I remember, and, being a car dealer in Swansea (to which I once went, GLC Autos), I think he had no relevant experience.”
“There was some idea his father would do the work. I had no particular issue with this, but I knew that I would end up doing it, as I knew the tenants and he was not a property manager. I honestly do not remember what he did.”
“I am not claiming that I took over Craig’s role at SA1. I said I hadn’t got the time.”
“88. When Craig was working for us on the basis described above, he said to me he wanted to get a new car for his wife, an Audi convertible. He still couldn't get finance himself so asked me again to take it in my name. Previously there had been two cars, which were then to go back as happened and with the new arrangement there would be only one, so my liability would be lessened. Also, at the time Craig was doing a fair amount of work for us, he was useful in several parts of the business and I wished to keep on good terms with him. 89. I therefore agreed to enter into the new finance agreement on the basis he would reimburse me, although in practical terms he never did. I was relaxed about this, because the amount was quite modest and his men who worked for us were good, we never had any complaint about them.”