“The efficient preparation of bundles of documents is very important. Where bundles have been properly prepared, the case will be easier to understand and present, and time and costs are likely to be saved. Where documents are copied unnecessarily bundled incompetently the cost may be disallowed.”
“Within DRSP I have been given complete autonomy to run the business as I see fit free from any outside interference or influence. Whilst Mr Mond is a significant client of DRSP, he has never had, nor will he ever have, any influence over either policy or management of the business. Where Mr Mond has been consulted, this is only in regards to how he would like his own claims which vest in him to proceed. … Given the above clarification, I would like to request that your instruction to add Mr Mond to DRSP’s “Application for Authorisation” be withdrawn and again reiterate that Mr Mond holds no influence over any aspect of DRSP’s policy, management or any other aspect of the day-to-day running of the business.”
“When given an instruction by Mr Mond, I will do what is necessary or would at the time, particularly when I am very young at that stage, in my first real directorship acting under Mr Mond. That is just how it is with him.”
“I own the business. That’s my right isn’t it? So I delegate that too and you understand that but you are given complete autonomy, right, and you sometimes think it’s your business, Tom. The way that you speak, the way that you do things and everything else. Fine. You’re not happy that I brought in Melanie. You’re not happy with whatever deal I’m going to do with her or not do with her. Fine. To be quite honest that has nothing to do with you.”
“Well I think that my intention was initially is there’s all sorts of different bits and pieces that could be done, even just with DRSP, with the fee cap coming in soon, there’s all of the cases that have been closed historically as no contact, where we know they’ve got PPI but they’re not answering the phones, they haven’t engaged. You’ve got all of your old IVA cases that don’t return the packs before the cut-off date that could potentially be we do something on those.”
“So the only thing is making sure that it’s legit how we can share the data between each other for you to work off I suppose.”
“Tom O’Connor We’re looking to generate pension leads, when we get those, we’ll call them and anyone who’s got a claim, we’ll hock over to your guys to sell. Vice versa, if you’re buying all these leads off Dan, there’s a lot that get closed each day as not contacted, where you’ve tried [unintelligible 01:11:05] – David Mond So we get them back to you. Tom O’Connor Those come to us, we can churn it – David Mond You churn them and try and get them in so it comes back to us. Tom O’Connor – and sell them back. All Clear Debt cases where we’re – David Mond Right, just work out a remuneration thing for you on that, a share. Tom O’Connor I think we just 50/50 everything. David Mond Whatever. Tom O’Connor And then the – again with the old ClearDebt IVA cases, any that don’t come back, we’ll have them back –”
“From thereon out, Abi [Mrs O’Connor] and I would leave on 28 February with me carrying out the consultancy for six months remotely (as Octax Limited). A marketing agreement can then be drawn up between DRSP and Octax to market exclusively to DRSP for old PPI cases, closed pension leads plus other leads sourced by Octax on a 50/50 backend split.”
“We are a Claims Management Company dealing with individuals looking at making a claim for pension mis-sellingfinancial mis-selling including mis-sold pensions andMis-sold Payment Protection Insurance (“PPI”). You have agreed to act as a marketing agent to Us of prospective Customers utilising Landing Pages, websites and advertorials with content approved by Us. You will alsomarket by telephone to opted in customers referred to You by Us as an agent of Us togenerate packs back for mis-selling products both for prospective Customers and IVACustomers in relation to both PPI and Pension Mis-selling. The marketing spend forOur specific Pension mis-selling campaign is to be paid by Us but managed by Youwithin the limits approved by Us.”
“Where [Octax] have conducted the marketing and or telesales activity on our behalf for an Introduced Customer, [DRSP] will pay [Octax] a Fee in relation to those Introduced Customers in relation to both the CMC Fee received by [DRSP] or any Referral Fee [DRSP] may receive from third parties for referring that Introduced Customer elsewhere for other services. The level of Fee is set at 50% of the combined CMC Fee and Referral Fee received by [DRSP] and is payable against any income generated from the Introduced Customer.” 65.2.3. Clause 3.4: “[DRSP] will provide [Octax] with updates on the progress of any cases [Octax] have referred to [DRSP], with the frequency of such updates to be agreed.” 65.2.4. Clause 3.5: “Where [DRSP] report that no service has been provided by [DRSP],[Octax] are free to market to these customers as [Octax] see fit.” 65.2.5. Clause 3.6.1:“In consideration of [Octax] agreeing to provide all leads for pension and PPI mis-selling [Octax] generate to [DRSP] on an exclusive basis, [DRSP] will … provide details of all Leads [DRSP] have received from other sources which [DRSP] have not been able to engage for [Octax] to contact as an agent of [DRSP] with any potential claims for mis-sold PPI or mis-sold pensions to be refereed back to [DRSP]”. 65.3. Introduced Customers: Clause 5.1 provides that: “An Introduced Customer shall be deemed as such provided that he/she is not already present in [DRSP’s] database. In the event that the same customer is introduced by more than one Introducer, the customer shall be deemed to have been introduced by the Introducer who first introduced the customer.” 65.4. Duration and Termination: Clause 6.1 provides that the Introducer Agreement came into effect on the Commencement Date and continued for an initial period of 6 months and that it should “thereafter continue in force on a rolling basis subject to clause 6.2 there shall be a one month notice of termination”
“This agreement constitutes the entire agreement between the parties with respect to the subject matter of this agreement and supersedes all prior agreement, negotiations, and discussions between the parties relating to it.” 65.6. Amendments: Clause 10 provides “Save as expressly provided in this agreement, no amendment or variation of this agreement shall be effective unless in writing and signed by a duly authorised representative of each of the parties to it.”
“I will still have an ongoing interest in the company and so fully expect you will be seeing plenty of me over the coming months. I’ll still be working very closely with the company and will be referring cases over to you which I would not do if I didn’t believe that the company and the staff were the best in the industry and so will continue to look forward to popping in to see you all.”
“I’m sure all of you will continue to give your all for the company and offer the remaining managers the same level of faith, support and kindness you invariably showed me over the years and am also thankful that in Melanie, my replacement has massive experience within the industry and will be able to offer opportunities for you all individually and the company generally to continue to expand. I’ve no doubt that the company is in safe hands and that you will find Melanie to be amiable and approachable at all times …”
“Essentially so they can connect to Slate, which will recognise them from their windows credentials and allow them to see only what they should.”
“Hi Melanie, Further to earlier, here’s a quick summary of what was discussed: Old Clear Debt cases ◦ To be worked by Octax 2 weeks from pack being sent and not returned (referred over by setting a database flag and view on our system – AH has come across to check this works and we have access only to those cases) ◦ Octax to note cases on Slate with each contact attempt and outcome oOctax to call as DRSP and use only scripts, text messages and emails approved by DRSP ◦ Each case to be called over a period of 2/3 weeks where each case will be attempted 6 times where possible ◦ Octax to utilise dedicated number to ensure any returned calls can be answered as DRSP ◦ Where a customer wants a pack resending, the references for these will be provided on spreadsheet to DRSP daily ◦ Initially in the region of 2,000 cases being referred for calling plus approximately another 200 in a week and the remainder 2 weeks after they have been sent Pension Cases ◦ Any leads which have been closed as uncontactable can be referred over to Octax ◦ Any cases packed out which have subsequently been closed as the customer has not returned the pack can be referred to Octax ◦ These again will be called from a dedicated line and noted within Slate Has PPI ◦ Any cases where there has been a positive PPI response can be referred over to Octax to work where the case has been uncontactable ◦ Details regarding noting, scripting etc. as above These are the primary products we would look to work owing to (1) the value of pension claims and (2) the PPI fee cap which is due to be implemented in the near future. In addition, we also discussed working: • Old PPI/IVA data for pension leads (potentially targeted at people aged 4565) • Free PPI Check Packs which had not been returned The other products probably trump these in terms of importance as it is doubtful that the Free PPI Check packs will materialise in time to beat the cap into effect – although we could trial some if desired; the old PPI/IVA data is likely to take some significant mining meaning it could be several weeks/months before a project could be looked at for that – although I am not averse to trying. In relation to DRSP’s own R&D claim, you mentioned bringing in Adam’s friend to draft but there is likely to be some prep work required before that which I am happy to help Hayley with. Finally, with regard to Flexx, I am aware there is exclusivity with Flexx but I am certain I would be able to utilise their services to generate more Pension leads to me via a variety of websites I am running/will be running. I can manage the spend etc. on these myself but would no doubt see better results with their involvement. As these leads will be exclusively being passed to DRSP for pension mis-selling, is there any issue with Flexx running some of my marketing spend for pensions? I think this was everything. If you can confirm you’re happy with this I’ll arrange for Hayley and Adam to sort out the data to pass over. Best, Tom”
“Hi Tom, Many thanks for the comprehensive overview. Please proceed as outlined. Taking your point in relation to the free PPI checks – let’s review the position once the other cases have been attempted and the contact strategy exhausted. In terms of Flexx, I’ll come back to you shortly. Adam/Hayley – can you please arrange for the agreed data to be sent (with appropriate password protection) over to Tom and confirm once this has been done. Many thanks all, Melanie”
“That’ll be around lunch Thursday Melanie once all current packs through the system I went to Tom's office earlier and have no concerns re his access to slate - all is as described Perhaps another look after the 1st drag and drop for absolute clarity but I can’t see any issues”
“One of the purposes of Octax’s consultancy with DRSP was to provide a smooth transition following Tom’s departure. It was therefore both natural and sensible that, in order to enable Tom to perform that consultancy function, he kept the DRSP account he had held as an employee and further, that his account retained: 94.1 firstly, all of the network permissions (and the access privileges that those permissions afforded) which had previously been associated with it; and 94.2 secondly the Admin Role connected with the use of Slate PPI together with many of the other Roles.”
“This is my updated data to show where things are up to, just so you can review if needed.”
“We have 2016 complaints that can be sent to lenders … of which 501 are for claims passed to Octax. I will get more up-to-date figures for you in the morning, but the chasing they are doing is definitely working!”
“Tom is keen for the introducer agreement to be concluded and for the exit agreement to be implemented … The re-work we have given is producing some good results, which I need to better quantify, but costs are not being borne by DRSP. The PPI new pipeline, from the re-work is looking promising, so I briefly discussed some more PPI/IVA, mortgage and pension re-work too from the existing database. Tom is keen to undertake this and I prefer not to utilise DRSP resource given the current issues. The consent problem obviously isn’t a concern on these occasions. It is however difficult to project what additional revenue may be available until we have implemented a strategy and trialled some cases. There will be some email campaigns by DRSP as a starting point, but this will require limited resource and the cost of this will be minimal.”
“This query returns 369 leads that haven’t been called and aren’t from today - can have a look at ones with notes later on once we start motoring through these”
“I can 100% see why so many non-qualifying customers are coming through as the advert is so broad”
“I’ll be speaking to Dan [of Flexx] once I’ve got your figures – there’s clearly too many of the wrong type. Tom has made some good suggestions to fix - which I’ll share with Dan later.”
“Please can you allocate the latest closures over to us on the drag-and-drop and send me a list of them so I’ll get my guys bashing through them - think last time we ended up with about 18 packs back from those leads so could help give you a decent week as they’ll be on that and that alone. I brought my laptops home but like a pillock forgot my charger for my old DRSP laptop and it’s a different fitting for my Octax one so can’t get into SQL to sort out a list, but I think the code for the leads we want will be something like this: …”
“There’s no reflection of you not having a go. You have more staff, she has her staff and whatever. Whether Melanie stays on long-term or not is another question but until, you know, things are OK with getting more staff in etc. …” 113.2. Mr Mond continued: “But whatever we can do to try and improve the position will be great. So for example, what we’ve been spending with Flexx recently hasn’t been working. He’s changed his own modus operandi and I don’t know why that’s the case or what, we were trying to get him to go back to his original adverts, you know …” 113.3. The meeting also included the following important exchange: “Tom O’Connor I know the figures myself because I had a quick look. Basically it’s looking very good. So we got about 5500 complaints that we’ve done from er that. To date there is about£1m of offers. David Mond That’s fine. We gave that to you to do. Tom O’Connor So we’re halves on that. So, end of this month you’re probably looking at about£100,000 to us,£100,000 to DRSP, about£90,000 odd to ClearDebt in supervisor fees. So, it looks pretty good but … David Mond Put that in the minutes so I know exactly. Tom O’Connor So, there’s still - what we should end up with at the end of 5500 complaints is we both should be looking at about a mill to us a mill to DRSP and maybe£900,000 to ClearDebt but at the moment off (sic) the£1m of offers there has only been£300,000 of cheques, so we know there is no chasing taking place at the moment. David Mond So, we’ve got to chase. I’ve asked them. Right, one of the things I said to Melanie is we’ve got to chase, and I think Becky is looking at, the new Becky is looking after that arranging to chase up and things. Tom O’Connor Ok, I’ll minute up the bits and pieces David Mond Put all the figures and your projections in for me because I like the way so I can follow it, so I can understand it in detail. Tom O’Connor So, there’s this£300,000 of cash in so far this month and I’m told there is another couple of hundred grand still to go through. So, it’s going to be two hundred and odd grand of fees this month which is great, and it should get bigger. David Mond so, on the 5000 cases, the 5000 claims, on the ClearDebt ones, there is a£1m offers? Tom O’Connor Yeah, just short of£900,000 something odd,£300,000 of cash so there will be a lot going into the IVA estates at the end of the month but what I’d suggest, and can speak to David Shalom on is this if you wanted, is do you remember how they do sort of the pre-drawing of money, so I’d maybe speak to him and say don’t do any disbs on the closed cases for a few months to make sure the money is there to cover fees as they come in otherwise there will be a loss on recovery. So I’ll put something in there on that as well. Have you got any ideas. David Mond You’re saying£300,000 of the opening offers has already been received, that’s not fees, that’s£300,000 . Tom O’Connor cash, yeah. So, fees on that I think are about£140,000 , something like that, so far. David Mond Right. That’s fine.”
“need to sort Tom out various responses of his emails and Minutes - sooner rather than later.”
“where are these funds£304,202.24 ”
“We have CD overheads to cover before split to TOC”
“all of the references of cases associated with Octax so I make it that from this batch, there is£302,866 in gross fees so will invoice for£151,433 inc VAT”
“Presumably DRSP overheads comes out first before we split the fees?”
“No it’s a straight 50/50 split on these with neither side’s costs been taken into account.”
“For these cases though, most of the costs incurred will be on our side as 90% of the packs were sent by us, 90% of the complaints, all of the phone work and customer engagement, the data searches to validate addresses, most of the cheques were put through and from DRSP’s side none of the Missing Info, Payment Chasing, Overdue responses have been actioned so we’re going through that ourselves as well now. The only bits done by DRSP so far is the logging of post/workflow and we’ve done a decent amount of that on our side as well.”
“Ok - let me discuss with Melanie as who (sic) sent out initial packs and when were they sent?”
“I just want to know how we got into this position and why did the DRSP staff not do the work in chasing.”
“What was Tom in for today?”
“if it’s okay with you it might be beneficial to utilise him until his consultancy is up at the end of August?”
“the agreement Octax has in place currently”, and saying that: “If they are allowed to work leads over two weeks old (or whatever the agreement is) then this may explain why these leads are being called?” 130.4. The following day, at 13.25, Ms Taylor responded: “Working DRSP referrals, whether live or closed, has not been agreed by me, nor by Matt. Could you please confirm what discussions you’ve had with Tom in relation to the data he and his team are accessing/using? Clearly Octax working the same data as DRSP is not acceptable nor conducive to good customer outcomes.”
“I haven’t agreed to Octax working closed cases. This was already in place when I started and was an agreement between Octax and DRSP”. 130.6. Ms Taylor then responded as follows: “The case [Mr Hindle] has raised is not a closed case. Has working live data been discussed with Tom? I am unaware of any agreement regarding closed cases, with the exception of a batch of old ClearDebt cases, that Octax was given permission to work. Matt - are you able to offer any further clarity? Please refrain from contacting Tom/Octax staff at this time.” 130.7.Mr Connell then replied at 13.54 on24 August 2018 stating: “Octax were also assigned all old Pension leads that we closed as noncontactable, and old PPI cases that were closed for the same reason (as I understand this was agreed to by someone!). If they have worked a closed lead and this has subsequently been reopened, this could be the reason for them working a live case. Can you send me the case reference and I’ll see what has happened?” 130.8.Ms Taylor also forwarded this latter email to Ms Jordan commenting: “Given the low volume of referrals, is there any good reason to have Octax working closed cases, instead of DRSP following up? Also, have you asked the sales team to chase closed cases? I’m concerned that both businesses are potentially trying to contact the same customers.”
“I assume you don’t know who that “someone” is?”
“ as she could not get hold of him, it was passed to Octax on19 August 2018 and then Ash re-agreed it. … No wrongdoing here as far as I can see.”
“any leads that were closed as noncontactable were being passed to Octax, but I don’t think they will be given any active cases.”
“In terms of access, I believe Tom’s DRSP account is still active, so he would have unlimited access to the system I believe. Regarding terms, that something that was discussed at the outset and mentioned above - nothing I can comment on. Commission also would be part of the original agreement between DRSP and Octax, which I understand to be a fee share on anything they work - but as discussed with Becs [Ms Jordan], I assume there is a definition of “work” within the original agreement to define when and what they get paid on?” 130.13. Ms Jordan responded to Ms Taylor’s email referred to in paragraph 130.8 above stating that it was difficult to say without knowing “the exact agreement”, and that she would not want to make an informed decision “if David has put something in place with Octax”
“Following our earlier discussion, are you going to be advising Tom that DRSP will currently be chasing the closed cases?” 131.2. Ms Jordan replied: “I can do if you like … He may want to speak to you directly, I doubt he’ll be happy about it. You never know he may surprise us!”
“Can I have your thoughts please? Potentially the only impact I can see from him being unhappy is him withdrawing referrals, but he stands to lose to (sic). Might be worth us continuing until I meet with him. He’s back from holiday tomorrow, so probably next week would be better once I have got the IT restrictions in place.”
“Leave it to you to decide.”
“Any ideas? It looks intentional but I have no idea why it would be or why it wouldn’t have been communicated?” 137.5. An email sent from Mrs Robinson’s email account on3 September 2018 suggested changing the meeting to 11.30 on Friday 7 September. In an email response sent the same day, Mr O’Connor agreed to this “as discussed”
“we are fine to call your leads and cases?”
“However, on or about the beginning of September [DRSP’s] suspicions were aroused by [Mr O’Connor’s] behaviour. He was coming into the office more, accessing information and data was updated on his IT account when he was not in the office. In isolation, the individual items were not particularly significant but taken together they were sufficient for me to start an investigation into precisely what [Mr O’Connor] had been doing.” 141.3. Paragraph 25 then went on to allege that as part of the investigation, evidence had been uncovered of “the systematic access, misuse and transfer of customer data by [Mr O’Connor] extracting large quantities of such data from [DRSP] and disclosing it to [Octax] as well as manipulating [DRSP’s] Slate system for the direct benefit of [Octax].”
“Notwithstanding the termination of [Mr O’Connor’s] employment, [Mr O’Connor] had without my knowledge remained registered as a “super user” of the Slate IT system. This enabled him to access Slate freely at any time and also gave him the ability to amend and download customer data without my knowledge or authorisation. For the avoidance of doubt, [Mr O’Connor] was not authorised to remain registered as a “super user” and there was no legitimate reason for him to hold this level of access. Had I been aware of this level of access, I would have given instructions to revoke it immediately as I did when I discovered in (sic) on31 August 2018 .”
“Let me caution you. There’s a big civil action against Tom, right? The police have been advised, right, LB criminal actions, and anybody who’s helped the … So it’s best to be truthful ”. 144.2. Towards the end of the meeting, the following exchange took place: “David Mond Yeah? But when you find out, if I’m wrong, I’ll apologise to Tom, and he gets a million pounds, he gets£2 million , he can get£10 million , whatever massive claim you think he’s going to bring against me. It doesn’t matter, I’ve got the money to give him. And Liz will tell you because she’s worked with me now for how many years? Liz Robinson 27 David Mond 27 years Rebecca Jordan Well done! David Mond Right? I’m a man of principle, and I don’t let anybody take the piss out of me. Rebecca Jordan Yeah. Oh, no, I know. I already know that.”
“I have worked with David Mond in my capacity as a manager at DRSP where he has directly shown that he is the owner, directing both Tom O’Connor and me and every other manager at DRSP”
“an old man, easily confused and frequently suffers memory lapses”
“The only bits done by DRSP so far is the logging of posts/workflow and we’ve done a decent amount of that on our side as well.” 182.3. It was put to Mr O’Connor in cross examination that working on reheated leads involved very much less work in identifying leads for Octax to refer to DRSP. Mr O’Connor cogently and persuasively rejected this suggestion, saying: “… as I mentioned earlier, there are two specific issues, there is the quality of the lead and there is the cost of staffing to be able to deal with it. The two things in combination are what give the value. DRSP’s cases being referred into us to be referred back are the ones they have given up on. They have zero value at that point but we could turn them into value. In terms of how much work is actually done on claims, in terms of PPI, you send the letter, you receive an acknowledgement seven days later, normally five days, and you receive an offer eight weeks late” (Day 5/711). The point that Mr O’Connor fairly made is that if the leads/cases were ones that DRSP were not going to pursue themselves because of the failure of the potential customer to bite at that point and they therefore appeared to be going nowhere, then there was commercial advantage in DRSP passing the case on to Octax who then had to put in the work required in order to turn something that was not going to earn a fee, into something that was. 182.4. Slightly later on, it was put to Mr O’Connor that it was not in the interests of DRSP to divert capacity away from the Flexx leads for which it was only paying an introduction fee of 15%, as opposed to the 50% fee payable in respect of leads referred back to DRSP by Octax. Mr O’Connor disagreed with this, pointing out that what Octax were doing was to replace DRSP’s sales function … “which meant that DRSP sales staff members were able to concentrate on those Flexx leads rather than having to deal with the reheating … so what Octax’s service is actually doing is freeing DRSP staff to work on those Flexx leads and to be able to continue to take that volume through. What we were doing was in everyone’s interests” (Day 5/714). That made entire sense to me. 182.5. Mr Mond is no fool, and plainly has a very intimate knowledge of the commercial realities of the CMC industry. He does not appear to have balked at any point with regard to splitting the relevant fee 50:50 as between DRSP and Octax as one might have expected him to have done had it been uncommercial as suggested. As we have seen, when Mr O’Connor suggested a 50-50 split at one of the January 2018 meetings, Mr Mond’s response was simply to say: “whatever”
“morale in the team is low, due to the quality of referrals from Flexx”
“a collection of independent works, data or other materials which— a) are arranged in a systematic or methodical way, and(b) are individually accessible by electronic or other means” a) are arranged in a systematic or methodical way, and(b) are individually accessible by electronic or other means”
“ if there has been a substantial investment in obtaining, verifying or presenting the contents of the database.”
“(1) Subject to the provisions of this Part, a person infringes database right in a database if, without the consent of the owner of the right, he extracts or re-utilises all or a substantial part of the contents of the database. (2) For the purposes of this Part, the repeated and systematic extraction or re-utilisation of insubstantial parts of the contents of a database may amount to the extraction or re-utilisation of a substantial part of those contents.”
“Where in an action for infringement of copyright it is shown that at the time of the infringement the defendant did not know, and had no reason to believe, that copyright subsisted in the work to which the action relates, the plaintiff is not entitled to damages against him, but without prejudice to any other remedy.”
“investment in creating data was not the right kind of investment. So that if only that kind of investment is involved in the creation of a database, there is no sui generis right in it.”
“… the rules as to what amounts to infringement focus on whether the infringer is making undue use of the relevant resources which went into the database.”
“… before you conclude that there has been extraction of a substantial part, whether in qualitative or quantitative terms, you have to focus very much on extraction of the investment which is led to the qualification for the sui generis right in the first place.”
“… repeated and systematic extraction … of an insubstantial parts of the contents of the database may amount to the extraction … of a substantial part of those contents.”
“There are a few things we are keen to do in terms of generating more PPI leads”, after which he set out various actions including, amongst other things, in relation to “Free PPI Checks”, which had been mentioned in his email dated21 March 2018 . This email was sent to Mr Connell, who forwarded the same to Ms Taylor stating: “Sending the Free PPI Checks over to him now to sort…”. 245.3. The allegations of dishonesty and lack of good faith having been withdrawn, in paragraph 136 of his witness statement Mr Mond says that he does not believe that Mr O’Connor has been malicious, but does say that he considers that Mr O’Connor was aware “deep down” that his activities were overstepping the mark. That is not my assessment of Mr O’Connor’s evidence, rather the impression I gained from his oral evidence taken together with a consideration of the contemporaneous correspondence was that he was anxious not to overstep the mark. Hence, for example: 245.3.1. The way he expressed matters in his emails dated27 April 2018 and2 May 2018 referred to in paragraphs 94 and 97 above. 245.3.2. The fact that on a number of occasions Mr O’Connor checked that the codes that he was using in order to run searches were correct, and it is not the Claimants’ case that Mr O’Connor simply ran searches, and effected the dragging and dropping of cases without reference to anybody else at DRSP. Thus, one has, for example the exchange of emails between Mr O’Connor and Hayley O’Connor on9 May 2018 when Mr O’Connor referred a query return relating to 369 leads to Hayley O’Connor with a view to them being dragged and dropped, referring to the fact that he had used a particular code for the query. It was Hayley O’Connor’s evidence that she had probably written the code for Mr O’Connor in the first place, and one can see from the exchange of emails in question this was not a question of Mr O’Connor instructing Hayley O’Connor to effect the drag-and-drop, but of him requesting her to do so. 245.3.3. In relation to the one drag and drop that Mr O’Connor did effect himself, this was only done after matters had been run past Mr Connell in the email exchanges that took place between 14 and16 July 2018 , it being Mr Connell’s evidence that the relevant matters were contemporaneously discussed with and agreed by Ms Taylor. 245.4. It is the Claimants’ case that any relevant specific authority to use the DRSP Consultancy account required to come from Ms Taylor, who had taken up the position of acting Operations Director upon Mr O’Connor standing down from the role with effect from1 March 2018 . However, Hayley O’Connor was clear in her evidence that Ms Taylor conferred a significant degree of autonomy on managers such as herself, and that she considered that she had authority to send leads and cases that fell within the criteria that Ms Taylor had approved to Octax. Further, Hayley O’Connor gave evidence that she was in fairly regular and frequent contact with Ms Taylor, and that Ms Taylor was well aware that Mr O’Connor was running searches, and more generally that the dragging and dropping of cases was taking place. This accords with the evidence of Mr Connell who effected a number of the drags and drops himself, it being his evidence that he did so with the knowledge and approval of Ms Taylor, something supported not least by the email dated22 May 2018 referred to in paragraph 245.2 above. As to the reliability of the evidence of Hayley O’Connor and Mr Connell in relation to these matters, I have taken into account that Hayley O’Connor is friendly with Mr and Mrs O’Connor, and that Mr Connell clearly favours the position of Mr O’Connor to that of the Claimants, and I recognise that their recollections are likely to have been affected by the passage of time and a sympathy for Mr and Mrs O’Connor, nevertheless I accept their evidence that they considered, at the time, that they were acting with the knowledge and approval of Ms Taylor, and that it is more likely than not that they actually were. 245.5. The Defendants make the point that it is accepted by the Claimants that Ms Taylor approved the drag-and-drop that took place on23 March 2018 and9 May 2018 , and they submit that it is therefore implausible that she did not approve others. That may be putting matters rather high, but the approval of these drags-and-drops is consistent with a state of affairs whereby Ms Taylor was being kept informed of events, and approved what was going on. The absence of documentation evidencing Ms Taylor’s approval was explained by Hayley O’Connor on the basis that Ms Taylor was someone who generally dealt with matters verbally, on the telephone, rather than sending emails. Given the limited number of emails that have been produced from Ms Taylor more generally, this is entirely credible. 245.6. Hayley O’Connor gave very clear evidence not only that Ms Taylor was aware that Mr O’Connor was running reports, but that Ms Taylor actually asked him to run his own reports because he had an understanding of how things operated as between Octax and DRSP. It was put to her in cross examination that this only related to certain specific reports, but she firmly denied that that was the case. 245.7. It is apparent from the transcript of a meeting between Hayley O’Connor and Ms Taylor on9 April 2018 that Ms Taylor, although being aware that Mr O’Connor was producing reports, expressed concern that Mr O’Connor had been provided with a great deal of data, and that “there needs to be accountability for all that data.”
“Working DRSP referrals, whether alive or closed, has not been agreed by me, nor by Matt [Connell].”
“Octax were also assigned all old pension leads we are closed as non-contactable, and all PPI cases that were closed for the same reason (as I understand this was agreed to by someone!).”
“What we did, my Lord, is when we realised it was not working, we went on to my account on the Slate UAT and basically, because it is the first time that this is ever been used, we were looking at what combination of roles worked to get the permission that we did and what was required to be able to undertake the job. Once we figured out what those roles were, I went into the database on Slate UAT, copied the roles that I had on that and pushed them all into the live environment via a SQL insert, which is why you can see all of the exact transactions on all of the same users.”
“So, what the idea was when Mr Horan came across was to make sure that the system could actually operate as it needed to be.”
“A It was always under a standing instruction and agreement that my SQL account could be used for whatever purpose. It was in pursuit of helping all parties progress the agreement. Q Right. Perhaps I can put it this way, Mr O’Connor. I am not saying you did not believe that this is all something within some agreement you’d come to. I am saying that the use of SQL was not specifically approved by Melanie Taylor and it had not been generally approved by Melanie Taylor. That is correct is it not? A No. I disagree. Melanie was always aware that I had an access to SQL, and that I would use it for the benefit of both companies. There was never a suggestion that anything I have done was detrimental to DRSP whatsoever. Q ….. I suggest that if Melanie Taylor had authorised these matters, as you allege, there would be evidence that that had taken place in those documents. That is correct, is it not?”
“Yes. That was following a conversation with Melanie Taylor. I think we agreed at that point that there was a –”, at which point he was interrupted by Mr Moody-Stuart. The cross examination subsequently continued as follows: “Q … so it is not limited, this search was in no way limited to leads that were closed because you are unable to contact; correct? A No, this one was not, no. Q so, pausing there, that search itself was not within the scope of the March emails, was it? A The referrals for these, yes, there were a separate agreement with Melanie, yes.”
“It was always under a standing instruction and agreement that my SQL account could be used for whatever purpose. It was in pursuit of helping all parties progress the agreement.”
“A. It is more a case that organisation is one fair way of putting it. In reality, without being able to allocate a specific case to a specific person, everyone is going to be clicking in the same cases, there is an issue of potentially two people calling the same individual at once. There seems to be some sort of filtering issue, in terms of what is coming back and then also a fairly obvious level where the search is designed to locate a single one person. If on every time of running this screen, which is in effect itself a query, you are hitting the entire Slate database so you would have to run this each and every time, go back out, run it again, you are taking a minute or so in between every operation. So, to all intents and purposes, if you are saying we could have just used screen, no, you could not really.”
“Q Well, he also ran his own reports for use at Octax, did he not? A Yes. So, Melanie Taylor, as you can see in the transcript from the meeting on 9 April, Melanie Taylor was chasing Tom O’Connor for reports on how Octax was doing. In a normal capacity, at DRSP, an introducer would not maybe possibly have access to that stuff, and we would report back to the introducer how things were transparent. But because Tom O’Connor had a consultancy and we were swamped working at DRSP, Melanie asked that Tom run his own reports because he had an understanding of how things were going, he had the understanding of both Octax and DRSP, and quite frankly, I just did not have time.”
“able to close them as Unable to Contact or something like that please so that they don’t show in the Sale guys lists as well and we end up calling the same customers?”
“A I was suggesting that it may be prudent to get them out of the DRSP staff lists, so that there is no cross contamination. Q right. But just to be clear, you are asking her there to close them, as unable to contact, are you not? A No. I am suggesting that might be an idea. I have - there is no instruction or anything there, attached to it, although I would stand by it is a good idea. Q I am not going to do this every time we go back-and-forth, but I am suggesting it was a request that she close them. It is not a suggestion, it is a request on your part? A It is a suggestion.”
“Where in an action for infringement of copyright it is shown that at the time of the infringement the defendant did not know, and had no reason to believe, that copyright subsisted in the work to which the action relates, the plaintiff is not entitled to damages against him, but without prejudice to any other remedy.”
“(b) commission in respect of claims introduced known as and referred to as “old ClearDebt Case outsourcing, on condition that [Octax] discharged its obligations under the Consultancy Agreement and/or the Introducer Agreement…”
“… was not due under any valid or enforceable agreement between [DRSP] and [Octax]. In particular the said sum was not due under the Consultancy Agreement or the Introducer Agreement or any other agreement between [DRSP] and [Octax].”
“38. …. The Introducer Agreement as amended and sent to DRSP included tracked changes to identify that the ClearDebt IVA cases would be worked as well as PPI/Pension cases referred by DRSP to Octax. The sentence in respect of “Already existing on the system” [which I understand to be a reference to similar wording in clause 5.1 of the Introducer Agreement] was in relation to where 2 lead sources referred cases to DRSP. It was not designed to say that DRSP could refer cases to Octax to be work free of charge. At no point during the proceedings has it ever before been alleged that there was a carve out for these cases. This was agreed all along. The payment of the Octax invoice is itself proof of this along with various other conversations with DRSP, announcements to their staff and the report sent by [Mr O’Connor] to David Mond’s Liz Robinson account in July which clearly identified the fee split etc.”
“The effect of the new claim is that Octax had agreed to work for free and that is nonsensical. [DRSP] previously merely sought to argue that its costs should be debited to the 50% calculation. There was no accidental payment of the invoice. The invoice was paid because [DRSP] knew without doubt that it was due. There was no unjust enrichment.”
“75. Octax’s remuneration was provided for by Schedule 1 [of the Introducer Agreement] namely a fee of 50% of the combined CMC and Referral Fee received by DRSP in respect of a customer introduced by Octax. 76. Octax is entitled to an account which identifies all Introduced Customers as defined, details the associated fees received by DRSP and an order for payment of half of those sums, and damages for the loss of the chance to convert further business from which fees and commissions would have been generated in the period between de facto cessation on1 September 2018 and potential termination on1 October 2018 . 77. The emails of 21 and22 March 2018 founded the Commission Sharing Agreement which was separate to the Introducer Agreement because the latter was expressly confined to marketing on PPI and pension mis-selling. By the Commission Sharing Agreement Octax was appointed by DRSP to work on old ClearDebt cases and to rework/resurrect pension case and PPI case leads (which was different to the marketing activity under the Introducer Agreement). DRSP agreed to pay 50% of the fees or commissions received in respect of this work. The work was lucrative as shown by example in the invoice dated2 August 2018 issued by Octax to DRSP billing£126,194.17 for that month’s ‘Old ClearDebt Case Outsourcing’. These figures form the basis of the Defendants’ belief that this action represents the Claimants’ regret at making the Commission Sharing Agreement. 78. In the alternative the March 2018 emails found an extension or variation to the Introducer Agreement. Any such distinction may be without substance because the August invoice issued in respect of July’s work (on the reworking of old ClearDebt cases) also demonstrates a 50/50 split (just as provided for in the Introducer Agreement).” 50/50 split (just as provided for in the Introducer Agreement).”
“Right. We have clarified what the construction case is now, I think.”
“The level of Fee is set at 50% of the combined CMC Fee and Referral Fee received by [DRSP] and is payable against any income generated from the IntroducedCustomer.”