"I object to you inspecting these documents because:"
"CS's statement also explains conversations in essence. No recording exists in defendants' possession."
"For the avoidance of doubt, if the defendants provided the requisite consent (in their capacity as executors of their mother's estate) to RSA, RSA would put into the defendants' possession documents to which the defendants were entitled (in their capacity as executors of their mother's estate)."
"In fact the only application that is before me is pursuant toCPR 31.17 and/or 31.18 and Mr Sarayiah has also referred me to the disclosure [ie the disclosure documents to which I have referred] where the defendants say they have control of the phone conversation between the defendants and More Than Insurance but no recording exists in the defendants' possession."
"But [the defendants] have not come to court to deal with an application underCPR 31.12 for specific disclosure and so Mr Sarayiah has proceeded against the Royal and Sun Alliance Insurance PLC and they are represented by counsel….[Mr Asquith] submits that the application is misconceived because if there was any application to be made (see the disclosure lists and documents to which I have referred) it should have been directed against the defendants and if an order had been made against the defendants by the judge, then the documents would have been disclosed in the usual way. He submits that instead of being based onCPR 31.17 the application should have been made, if at all, against the defendants pursuant toCPR 31.12 which, of course, provides for the court to make an order for specific disclosure or specific inspection for the reasons therein set out in the Rule. Mr Asquith submits in writing and orally that there was no need to involve RSA in this case…"
"I am not surprised that he says that. He submits that disclosure is not necessary (seeCPR 31.17 (3)(b)), because it could be obtained from the defendants and he then makes submissions under the Data Protection Act that submits in sum that the application is misconceived because it is directed to the wrong party. With respect to Mr Sarayiah I entirely agree. This is a misconceived application for the reasons advanced both in writing and orally by Mr Asquith on behalf of the Royal and Sun Alliance Insurance PLC... The application could and should have been made if at all under 31.12 and it has not been and I would decline to make any order under 31.17 or 31.18. I regard that as the inappropriate route for such an order to be made and I am unpersuaded that I should make any such order and I am quite satisfied that if any order is to be made, then it is to be made pursuant to an alternative application if any such application is to be pursued with appropriate evidence, with the defendants having an opportunity to respond if they wish to do so…. …However, there is in my judgment an important matter of process here. It is not appropriate for an application to be made for disclosure against a person save in the circumstances prescribed by 31.17 and 31.18. Those do not apply in this case and I hold that the application is misconceived and this application will be dismissed."
"I am quite clear that if any application was to be made it should have been made either under Part 18 or 31.12. It is not appropriate to have made this application. I am afraid I do think it is totally without merit."
"On the claimant’s [that is the appellant here] application for disclosure and on the court commenting that a tape recording of a telephone conversation involving the defendants (or either of them) made by and held by a third party insurance company was not in the control of the defendants for the purposes of disclosure, notwithstanding any subject access request rights that the defendants might have made under the Data Protection Act, and on the claimant indicating that he agreed with that summary but was refused disclosure against the third party on the basis that an application for specific disclosure could be made against the defendants for the tape recording, and on the court finding that the relevant tape recording was not in the control of the defendants (or either of them) he ordered that the claimant's application for disclosure should be dismissed."
"We have taken instructions from our client who has agreed to provide you with the documents you have requested. Please find enclosed the following …"
"A copy of the call recording will follow by post on a password protected CD."
"whether this, namely, the tape recording, is referable in any way to the pleaded causes of action is perhaps a matter of debate but not one upon on which I need to rule today."
"This 'necessity' requirement will however vary in its impact according to the circumstances in which the application is being made... Miss Montgomery in her skeleton argument, relying on the authority of Mitsui, at para. 24, asserts that the test of necessity required for the exercise of the Norwich Pharmacal jurisdiction is not met where the applicant has failed to exhaust 'other available avenues' through which the information might be obtained. In my view this is to put the matter too high and to put the discretion of the court into too much of a straitjacket. Of course, as Lightman J. said in the passage cited above, the court must always have in mind the public interest in not involving innocent third parties if this can be avoided and 'a necessity required to justify exercise of this intrusive jurisdiction is the necessity arising from the absence of any other practicable means of obtaining the essential information'. But when determining what is practicable for these purposes the court in my judgment is entitled to have regard to all the circumstances prevailing in the particular case, including for example the size and resources of the applicant as an organisation, and the urgency of its need to obtain the information it requires, and any public interest in it having its need satisfied."
"It seems to us that the observations of Lightman J in Mitsui and Langley J in Nikitin put an undue constraint upon what is intended to be an exceptional though flexible remedy. The intrusion into the business of others which the exercise of the Norwich Pharmacal jurisdiction obviously entails means that a court should not, as Lord Woolf CJ in the Ashworth Hospital Authority case made clear, require such information to be provided unless it is necessary. But in our view, there is nothing in any authority which justifies a more stringent requirement than necessity by elevating the test to the information being a missing piece of the jigsaw or to it being a remedy of last resort. We agree in this respect with the views expressed in Hollander Documentary Evidence, 9th edition (2006) paragraphs 5-26. Moreover it would be inconsistent with the flexible nature of this remedy to erect artificial barriers of this kind. In our view the approach of King J in Campaign Against the Arms Trade caseis to be preferred."
"Whilst necessity is sometimes referred to as if it were simply a matter for consideration in the exercise of discretion, in truth it is more than that. It is a test which must be satisfied if Norwich Pharmacal relief is to follow. The first sentence in paragraph 57 of Lord Woolf CJ's speech makes that plain. Nevertheless, I agree with the statement of the Divisional Court in the present case … that 'the requirement of necessity is a requirement that must be dictated flexibly in the circumstances of each case.' Moreover, in this context there is no practical or substantial difference between a requirement of 'necessity in the interests of justice' and a test of what is 'just and convenient in the interests of justice' …"
"In the context of the phrase 'possession, custody or power', the expression 'power' must, in my view, mean a presently enforceable legal right to obtain from whoever actually holds the document inspection of it without the need to obtain the consent of anyone else."
"In the end I have come to view that a document can be said to be in the power of a party for the purposes of disclosure only if, at the time and in the situation which obtains at the date of discovery, that party is, on the factual realities of the case virtually in possession (as with a one-man company in relation to documents of the company) or otherwise has a present indefeasible legal right to demand possession from the person in whose possession or control it is at that time."
"I accept that the mere fact that a party to litigation may be able to obtain documents by seeking the consent of a third party will not of its own be sufficient to make that party's documents disclosable by the party to the litigation. They are not within his present or past control precisely because it is conceivable that the third party may refuse to give consent. But what happens where the evidence reveals that the party has already enjoyed, and continues to enjoy, the cooperation and consent of the third party to inspect his documents and take copies and has already produced a list of documents based on the consent that has been given and where there is no reason to suppose that that position may change?"
"If that was the true relationship between the appellants and the trustees, the judge was entitled in my view to regard documents in the physical possession of the trustees relating to the administration of the trust as documents in the appellants' control within the meaning ofCPR 31.8 . In determining whether documents in the physical possession of a third party are in a litigant's control for the purposes ofCPR 31.8 , the court must have regard to the true nature of the relationship between the third party and the litigant. The concept of 'right to possession' inCPR 31.8 (2)(b) covers a situation where a third party is in possession of documents as agent for a litigant. The same would apply in my view if the true nature of the relationship was that the litigant was to be the puppet master in the handling of money entrusted to him for the specific purpose of defeating the claim of a creditor. The situation would be akin to agency. But even if there were on a strict legal view no 'right to possession', for example, because the parties to the arrangement caused the documents to be held in a jurisdiction whose laws would preclude the physical possessor from handing them over to the party at whose behest he was truly acting, it would be open to the English court in such circumstances to find that as a matter of fact the documents were nevertheless within the control of that party within the meaning ofCPR 31.8 (1).CPR 31.8 (2) states that for the purpose ofCPR 31.8 (1) a party has or has had a document in his control if the case falls within paragraphs (a) to (c). It does not state that a party has or has had a document in his control if but only if the case falls within one of those paragraphs."
"no recording exists in the defendants' possession"