“As discussed on the phone, I am not looking for my own costs at this stage. I do not anticipate a large cost between now and the application being heard and I am happy to work for the liquidator in this case, on the basis that I will be paid from recoveries into the liquidation at a later date. … If we cannot get counsel to wait as well then [SH] may have to pay that and in that case it would be fair for HMRC to fund that cost or to suggest counsel used by HMRC who would be prepared to act on that basis ”
“ … I was not so bothered about our own costs. Because we had done so much work with Griffins in the past, I would trust them on the basis that we would be paid subsequently out of recoveries at a later stage. My costs of dealing with the matter at the moment were not likely to be that great. The only issue was the out-of-pocket disbursement for counsel’s fees. This I felt they should be asked to call on”
“I currently hold a negative balance of£2,601.54 in the estate of Sunbow Limited. In the light of this, your fees in this matter can only be paid out of realisations. In the event that there are no realisations I, as Liquidator, will not be in a position to pay your fees, nor will I accept personal liability for those fees. Notwithstanding anything which may be stated in your terms of business, which may have been, or will be, signed by me, your instructions are given on the basis stated here. If you are not willing to act in this matter on this basis, please return to me all papers currently held by you. Should you wish to discuss this matter, please do not hesitate to contact either myself or Linda Golding”. 28. In cross-examination GP acknowledged that he accepted SH’s conditions at the time. GP responded by e-mail on 26.5.06 : “ … I am happy to wait for payment of our costs until you make a recovery from any source. I would require disbursements to be paid though. In particular this will mean counsel’s fees. Smaller travel related costs we can wait for also. If it is possible to get HMRC to pay as we go that would be preferable. This means I do need to know if you recover assets into the liquidation, at which point we should discuss how our fees will be paid. If at any stage it looks like there will be no recovery, we reserve the right to discontinue acting, including if we are instructed in relation to ongoing litigation.”
“This agreement is a binding legal contract between you and your solicitor/s. Before you sign please read everything carefully. This agreement must be read in conjunction with the attached schedules 1 and 2”
“If you win your claim, you pay our basic charges, our disbursements and a success fee. You are entitled to seek recovery from your opponent of part or all of our basic charges, our disbursements, a success fee and insurance premiums as set out in the schedules”
“If we are to conduct the matter on a CFA going forward, this will leave the existing costs of around£50,000 which do not form part of the costs of the claim to be paid for out of any recoveries (excluding any claim against [the officers] arising out of the 236 examination attempts)”
“CFA and Insurance fine. Signed both but signed CFA in wrong place On the line for the solicitor’s signature instead of the line for the client’s signature. . What do you want me to do?”
“I did not see the need to do that, to be honest. The liability was set out under the CFA at the beginning. [SH] knew what the liability was. In fact he went on to say “I will honour the CFA””
“Of course [SH] was bound to honour his agreement with us, and as we would receive the money not him, we would be paid first and counsel would be paid in front of us”
“must be on the same condition as with [retained counsel] that entitlement to payment will depend on receipt from [TP] and on that basis we can proceed”
“ … Either way I need to sort it out as it will be a huge drain on recoveries”
“On counsel I told you that [he] hasn’t been around much on the cash job I gave him to balance the CFAs”
“[SH] wanted to understand the arrangement with Counsel and the success fee first. I explained to him that under the CFA if there is a success then he has a liability to pay. It is not dependent on whether money is received from the other side. I said it was already due because of the settlement we had with [AS]. He said that he has a general understanding with [counsel], just as he does with other barristers who work for him, that they will be paid when money is recovered. … I said that I was pretty confident in this case that we had not agreed that [counsel] would have to wait until we got paid before he got his money. I said I would get someone to check the file and see if that was the case. … [SH] said at worst he could complain about [counsel]. [SH] said he knows how to argue it against a lawyer if he has an unlawful CFA. I said I was sure it was not an unlawful CFA. There is nothing wrong with waiting for a payment. [SH] said we should go ahead. He said it might be that [counsel’s] fees were slightly higher because he was covering the extra risk of not being paid. We do not have to challenge it hard. [SH] said he was very comfortable that he had had the conversation with [counsel’s clerk]. SH would not have used [counsel] if it was to be any other way. [SH] said that he had paid him already and if the CFA was illegal then he would be entitled to recover the monies paid. [SH] said he could make things very difficult for [counsel] if he was going to be difficult with [SH]. … GP explained that the problem was the brief fee. [SH] said that [if necessary] then he would stand by it and pay [counsel] his fees but [SH] was not anticipating it getting to that stage. We should carry on against [TP]. He was pretending to be poor”
“There may be a bit of a misunderstanding here on your part – whilst there was an “understanding” between SH and counsel, brokered through [counsel’s clerk], that counsel would wait for payment on [four other] cases, there was no express agreement as such”