“we also understand that David Russell and Paul Wardle are of the opinion that the current level of circa 5.50% is high in comparison with prevailing short term rates.”
“Naturally we are very keen to provide the outcome you are looking for and feel that we have the solutions available for you to achieve this.”
“[The paper was] intended for the recipient’s sole use on the basis that recipient will make an independent evaluation of the transactions described and their associated risks and seek independent financial advice if unclear about any aspect of the transaction or risks associated with it and places no reliance on us for advice or recommendation of any sort. We will not act as advisor on behalf of, or owe any fiduciary duties to, recipient in connection with any transaction…”
“The bottom line” is – if we think rates will fall and stay down for the 5 year period, then the swap with embedded floor . . . is the better option of the two – although if we really believe this we would be better taking an uncommitted facility renewed, each year – I don’t really think we should do that. At a constant rate of 4.3%, the two options cost the same – anything above that the ordinary swap (o swap) wins. Will review the numbers with Rathbones before our meeting with Tony from RBS but I would favour the o swap! (I'll also check my formulas are right!)” “The bottom line” is – if we think rates will fall and stay down for the 5 year period, then the swap with embedded floor . . . is the better option of the two – although if we really believe this we would be better taking an uncommitted facility renewed, each year – I don’t really think we should do that. At a constant rate of 4.3%, the two options cost the same – anything above that the ordinary swap (o swap) wins. Will review the numbers with Rathbones before our meeting with Tony from RBS but I would favour the o swap! (I'll also check my formulas are right!)”
“We have finally seen a reversal of the recent daily increases in swap prices, with yields falling c10 basis points over the last 24 hours, in light of this I thought it appropriate to re-visit your hedging requirements. The attached proposal provides a collar structure with a significantly reduced premium payable and similar protection to a straightforward collar, for a limited risk.” •. “If 3 month LIBOR goes above current swap level of 5.60% company is exposed to higher rates up to cap strike of 6.00% •. However no increased risk over and above conventional collar structure •. If 3 month LIBOR goes below floor levels the company is obliged to pay fixed rate of 5.60% for that 3 month period •. However this is no worse than current swap rate of 5.60%” •. “PAG are happy to look at increasing hedging to reflect the company's debt profile. •. By referencing the current thinking on UK interest rates and using RBSFM's superior product base we can structure a hedge to provide a suitable structure. •. Current documentation and credit lines are suitable to support the restructure.” 51. Lastly, under the heading “Important Information” it stated amongst other things: “You will be exposed to interest rate risk if there is a mismatch between the start dates of the underlying borrowing and any protection. This mismatch may be caused by circumstances such as a deferred start to the agreed protection or alternatively by delay in drawing down the loan. You will be exposed to interest rate risk if there is a difference between the value of the borrowing that is to be protected and the notional principal of your interest rate contract with us. If interest rate derivative contracts are closed before their maturity, breakage costs or benefits may be payable. The value of any break cost or benefit is the replacement cost of the contract and depends on factors on closeout that include the time left to maturity and current market conditions such as current and expected future interest rates. This is illustrated below. There will be a break cost to you if the interest rates prevailing on closeout are lower than the fixed rate of the swap (that you are paying) or below the floor rate of the collar. There will be a benefit to you if prevailing interest rates are higher than the fixed rate of the swap (that you are paying) or above the cap rate of the collar. You are acting for your own account, and will make an independent evaluation of the transactions described and their associated risks and seek independent financial advice if unclear about any aspect of the transaction or risks associated with it and you place no reliance on us for advice or recommendations of any sort. . . . . ”
“The structure has a ten-year term although the bank has the right to cancel the trade after 5-years and quarterly thereafter. So the company has guaranteed protection for 5-years although this could run for 10-years.”
“The key question is- do you think that 3 month LIBOR will fix outside of the 6.24%-3.91% range in the next 5/10 years?”
“If interest rate derivative contracts are closed before their maturity, breakage costs or benefits may be payable. The value of any break cost or benefit is the replacement cost of the contract and depends on factors on closeout that include the time left to maturity and current market conditions such as current and expected future interest rates. This is illustrated below. There will be a break cost to you if the interest rates prevailing on closeout are lower than the fixed rate of the swap (that you are paying) or below the floor rate of the collar. There will be a benefit to you if prevailing interest rates are higher than the fixed rate of the swap (that you are paying) or above the cap rate of the collar. You are acting for your own account, and will make an independent evaluation of the transactions described and their associated risks and seek independent financial advice if unclear about any aspect of the transaction or risks associated with it and you place no reliance on us for advice or recommendations of any sort.”
“Please note that this document constitutes your acknowledgement to the economic terms of the transaction entered into between (RBS/NatWest) and yourself and also the disclosures on the accompanying schedule…”
“8. If interest rate derivative contracts are closed before their maturity, breakage costs or benefits may be payable. The value of any break cost or benefit is the replacement cost of the contract and depends on factors on closeout that include the time left to maturity and current market conditions such as current and expected future interest rates. This is illustrated below. There will be a break cost to you if the interest rates prevailing on closeout are lower than the fixed rate of the swap (that you are paying) or below the floor rate of the collar. There will be a benefit to you if prevailing interest rates are higher than the fixed rate of the swap (that you are paying) or above the cap rate of the collar. 9. You are acting for your own account, and will make an independent evaluation of the transactions described and their associated risks and seek independent financial advice if unclear about any aspect of the transaction or risks associated with it and you place no reliance on us for advice or recommendations of any sort.”
“(a) Non-Reliance: It is acting for its own account, and it has made its own independent decisions to enter into this Transaction and as to whether this Transaction is appropriate or proper for it based upon its own judgement and upon advice from such advisers as it has deemed necessary. It is not relying, and has not relied, on any communication (written or oral) of the other party as investment advice or as a recommendation to enter into this Transaction; it being understood that information and explanations related to the terms and conditions of this Transaction shall not be considered investment advice or a recommendation to enter into this Transaction, no communication (written or oral) received from the other party shall be deemed to be an assurance or guarantee as to the expected results of this Transaction. (b) Assessment and Understanding: It is capable of assessing the merits of and understanding (on its own behalf or through independent professional advice), and understands and accepts, the terms, conditions and risks of this Transaction. It is also capable of assuming, and assumes, the risks of this Transaction. (c) Status of Parties: The other party is not acting as a fiduciary for or an adviser to it in respect of this Transaction.”
“I trust you think it’s a good deal.”
“While the callable collar will provide the Group with maximum rate protection at 5.25% or 6.25% for a 5 year period, the structure does provide us with a number of concerns. The first is a question of value for money. The complexity of the structure makes accurately assessing its value extremely difficult as it involves the purchase from and sale to RBS of a number of options. In addition the structure is skewed in the favour of the bank as the options purchased by the Group are done so on the offered side of the market, while those sold by the Group are on the bid side of the market. As this structure has been 'generated' by the treasury it also eliminated the possibility of entering into a competitive pricing situation between RBS and Allied Irish to ensure best pricing of the hedging. The floor component of the structure requires the Group to speculate on the movement of floating rates, the Group having to take the view that floating rates will remain above 3.30% for the full 10 year term of the structure, as RBS will not cancel it in a low rate environment. Should the floor be 'exercised' the additional cost of at least 1.95% would be unpleasant. The structure only provides protection for 5 years. The bank having the option to cancel the structure at any point over the final 5 years poses a problem when it comes to compiling a future hedging strategy as it is impossible to determine whether the structure would be in place or not. Furthermore, the protection will disappear if rates rise, a situation where it would be most needed. Finally, this structure is extremely inflexible should the Group decide to refinance the underlying facility with another lender. Normally it is possible to novate hedging from one lender to another, eliminating the need to cancel and re-implement hedging and so avoiding the bid/offer spread. However the opaque nature of the structure makes novation almost impossible, the only alternative being to cancel. The costs associated with cancellation are again skewed in the favour of the bank as any value to the Group is reduced being calculated of the bid side of the market, while that due to the bank is inflated being calculated on the offer side. ... In short, we do not have too much concern over the potential cost incurred by the trigger, but do dislike the bank's ability to remove the hedging after the initial five year period. We would advise against the cancellable feature in future hedging structures.”
“ … how about doing the 5 year 6% for 20bps or the 7% for 15bps based on£10m ? If so we could have a deal”, which he followed up later that morning with a further email saying “we will sign up once we can get 6.5% for 25bps or 7% for 15bps”
“ The credit line aims to cover any potential mark to market loss in the event of counterparty default • The credit line required for a cross-currency swap is larger than a credit line for a vanilla GBP swap, as it takes into account potential adverse movement in GBP/JPY foreign exchange rates, JPY interest rates and GBP interest rates • Contingent liability lines required for cross-currency swaps (subject to credit approval): 2 year term -£18 million ; 3 year term -£25 million .”
“I think he understands(!)”
“ . . . We have today updated the facility monitoring spreadsheet you are familiar with, following the drawdowns you have today requested, ... By adjusting any of the lines within the Development facility, you can see that around another£800k is available before the overriding interest cover level falls below the 120% level. However should interest rates rise to 5.50% next week as widely expected, then the facility will fall to 118% interest cover and therefore be in breach of the covenants. . . .”
“1) Hedging arrangement held with investment portfolio 100% hedged, paying 3 month Libor.”
“In order to strengthen and have a greater understanding of what funding partners require in the future we have taken on the services of Richard Malin. ... His role will be on a part time consultancy basis, where he will assess our current banking arrangements, provide recommendations and advise on new and future strategies including interest rate hedging and identify potential providers of finance. ...”
“Richard Malin now acting as advisor – he has taken a view on the structure we have shown – he hates it!”
“I have taken Tony's spreadsheet to see what our exposure is if we buy a 7% cap and if the yield curve is correct (which, of course, it won't be). The result is attached. Once we spread the cost of the cap over the period we will be pay more than the assumed 3-mos Libor in the yield curve, and thus more than a 5-Year or 10-Year swap. However, the premium is only 9 Bpts over 5-Years or 6 Bpts over 10-Years and, as I think the yield curve is on the high side (if not the very high side) I think we should consider this. We would not then be giving RBS a put on us for 10 years at 4.75% If we do not want to pay£220k up front, I am sure RBS will rentalise it. We then have a fully tradeable instrument- albeit one I doubt we will ever collect. If rates are below the projected yield curve we would make substantial savings Of course, we need ascertain if the banks will evaluate our income covenants using the 7% cap, and make sure there is enough income if they do.”
“Further to your earlier email and proposed hedging instrument I can confirm that although the first year looks attractive at 4.99%, we are reluctant to sign up to a further 9 year term at 5.35%. We may be interested in either a cap or swap depending on the rates, and would be grateful if you could provide indicative prices.”
“. . . you’re tied in for ten years and if it’s catastrophic and rates fall, then obviously . . . you’re left paying 5% on a higher amount . . ”
“5 You will be exposed to interest rate risk if there is a mismatch between the start dates or end dates of the underlying borrowing and any interest rate protection. This mismatch may be caused by circumstances such as a deferred start to the agreed protection or alternatively by delay in drawing down the loan. 6 You will be exposed to interest rate risk if there is a difference between the value of the borrowing that is to be protected and the notional principal of your interest rate contract with us. 7 If interest rate derivative contracts are closed before their maturity, breakage costs or benefits may be payable. The value of any break cost or benefit is the replacement cost of the contract and depends on factors on closeout that include the time left to maturity and current market conditions such as current and expected future interest rates. 8 You are acting for your own account, and have made an independent evaluation of the transactions entered into and their associated risks and have had the opportunity to seek independent financial advice if unclear about any aspect of the transaction or risks associated with it and you place, or have placed, no reliance on us for advice or recommendations of any sort.”
“RICHARD MALIN: But presumably, in the coming years, there will be -- or maybe you can tell me as well, is there anything that Alliance could ever do to get out of the transaction? TONY BESCOBY: Well, it'll just ---- RICHARD MALIN: Or will it have to come cap in hand to you? TONY BESCOBY: Well, it'll just have a market value. You know, it'll just be such that it'll have a market value. You know, if yields go up significantly, you know, the value of the option will be diminished. RICHARD MALIN: Yes. TONY BESCOBY: And the value of the swap will be greatly enhanced, so actually, you know ---- RICHARD MALIN: It almost sounds to me they may cancel each other out. TONY BESCOBY: Well, they do, yes. That's how these things work, because they come to a point where if they're both in equilibrium, there is a call to be made about whether we, you know, whether we just walk away from this thing or not. RICHARD MALIN: Yes. TONY BESCOBY: But if the value of the swap -- if the negative value of the swap to us (i.e. positive value to the customer, i.e. rates going up). RICHARD MALIN: Yes. TONY BESCOBY: If the negative value of the swap is such that it does not, you know, it's greater than the positive value of the option that we hold. RICHARD MALIN: Yes. TONY BESCOBY: Then it's likely that will cancel. RICHARD MALIN: Yes. TONY BESCOBY: So if rates went -- you know, at the extreme, so if rates were at 6.50 and were forecast to stay there for the remaining six years of the life of the transaction, it's highly unlikely that that transaction would continue to carry on, you know what I mean. RICHARD MALIN: Yes. TONY BESCOBY: And the other side is if rates were down at 4%, then it's likely that we would carry it on. RICHARD MALIN: Yes. TONY BESCOBY: But I think the key thing to these, and you probably hit the nail on the head what you just mentioned there, is getting a level where the customer is comfortable. RICHARD MALIN: Yes. TONY BESCOBY: With the call or the put, if you like. RICHARD MALIN: Yes. TONY BESCOBY: That the bank hold. RICHARD MALIN: Yes. TONY BESCOBY: So, you know, in property alliances group, David's view was 5% is fantastic. RICHARD MALIN: Yes. TONY BESCOBY: You know, if rates go below 5% am I really bothered if I'm holding a swap at 5%? RICHARD MALIN: No. TONY BESCOBY: If that's what I want anyway. RICHARD MALIN: As I said to him and to Ewan, if rates go back to 4%, then although this will prove expensive. . . . RICHARD MALIN: I can't see under any situation that it's going to be, you know, like an Evans of Leeds or something, or an MEPC, paying hundreds of millions of pounds to break a 35 year debenture at 11% sort of idea. TONY BESCOBY: No, absolutely. RICHARD MALIN: It isn't going to be, it seems to me, it isn't going to be terribly significant.”
“For borrowers, purchasing a cancellable swap rarely leads to a happy ever after.”
“In short callable structures are just one of a number of solutions which GBM can provide to clients as part of an overall risk management strategy. They are not a hedge but can satisfy a desire for lower rate funding for a pre-determined period…”
“Fair enough. I think we’re just looking on a very short-term basis”
“If not called you could be paying 4.27% on£20m (how far do you think 3[M] rates will fall)”
“LIBOR represents the true funding cost to the Bank, i.e. we obtain our deposits from the London Inter Bank market, and it therefore seems logical to bring our funding costs into line. There are now however additional cost implications to the Bank if funding is held on Base Rate, where the related position within the Bank’s capital requirements are held in Libor. Therefore for facilities where there is a significant element of Base rate related debt, there would need to be a natural consequence to the margin charged to take account of this.”
“RBS seem to be trying hard and compared to straight Swap from Lloyds (see below), their latest structure looks good. However, pressure on LIBOR and interest rates generally must surely be down at this time. My concern is that by leaving the option for RBS to cancel after year 2, you are likely to be paying higher than the norm for three years. If you want certainty for the full term a straight Swap at 5.01% or there abouts is the alternative. Overall these rates are still historically fairly low and you may feel that a proportion of your hedging strategy should be fixed and certain with a proportion taking some risk but seeing immediate short term benefit. The strategy needs to be considered given that you are currently short on hedging over your whole debt. It might be useful to align your hedging strategy to the investments. If the long term investment strategy is to hold assets rather than trade, it may be that you would wish to have hedging aligned to the investment portfolio to create certainty of debt service cover -you can park the debt and the assets and focus on the development activities.”
“Leverage – overarching test at 73% against 75% covenant, although against mainly historic values. PFG desktop exercise undertaken which views this could have moved out to 90% (customer estimates 80%). Under “Bank Strategy” he also noted: “… Customer reluctant to formally re-value assets in current market, thereby resetting loan over a term against reduced values. . . Retaining PFG’s values for the “development” assets, although agreeing to “meet the customer half way” on the Investment Assets at an 8% yield, produces an overall LTV position of 80%, and we therefore propose a 12/18 month facility of£66.7m .”
“Committee opined that, in reading the PFG comments, the inference was that there was probably no point in getting new valuations on the PAG portfolio at this stage. D Meppem explained that the client’s concern was the position could come out being much worse than expected, and he went on to explain the reasoning behind this. With difficult market conditions now being seen, there would be few appropriate comparables available and those transactions that were being seen in the market would tend to be forced sales, and that resulted in values being impacted. In addition, some valuers would use these poor market driven values as a basis for revaluing the PAG assets, whereas other valuers would take a longer term market view in providing fresh valuations. In PFG’s eyes, PAG’s were good assets which would bear up and provide strong values, as and when the market recovered. Given the reasons outlined, there was therefore comfort with not obtaining new valuations at this stage. ... In general terms, PAG’s portfolio of assets was opined to comprise those which would be acceptable, so long as no LTV test was undertaken – if market values were tested then clearly values would be lower – but if PAG or the Bank had to act against the portfolio then we’d probably see an LTV of between 80 and 100%.”
“The Borrower authorises the Bank from time to time to obtain an up to date professional valuation of all or any of the Charged Properties from a valuer/surveyor acceptable to the Bank and the Borrower shall meet the cost of any valuations obtained by the Bank provided that the Borrower shall not be liable for the cost of more than one valuation for each of the Charged Properties in any one calendar year other than a valuation obtained following the occurrence of an Event of Default.”
“The company needs to consider its views on the future path of interest rates before making a decision on whether to restructure using this method.”
“. . . whilst David Russell (DR) may be a skilled operator, there were a number of concerning features here including high LTV on the investment assets with no ability to amortise other than from AIB funded assets, marginal cashflow position reliant upon income to cover overheads, split banking where the customer was now arguably in default under our loan agreement and in the absence of a signed AIB document no clarification of the position of other lenders who were also providing overdraft to cover liquidity needs. In addition there was also an associated land loan at c.100% LTV with no exit in place at present…As a result Committee felt GRG’s input was now required in terms of our strategy.”
“Agreed at Watch this is a GRG referral.”
“High LTV on the investment assets with limited ability to amortise/de-gear other than from AIB funded assets &/or asset sales. PFG input in 5/09 indicated LTV at c.80% on RBS portfolio; 90%+ including hedging. Re-valuation exercise now required as part of refinance/restructure. Tight liquidity with reliance on income other than rental to provide headroom to cover business overheads. Multi banked with limited visibility on stance being taken by other lenders & wider liquidity.”
“DR [Mr Russell] acknowledged that they probably over hedged over the past few years (which has led to the current position) – in hindsight he suggested they should have stopped at c£4045m , he did advise that this was nothing to do with RBS, it was a company decision which they take full responsibility for.”
“As I indicated the discussion with the client regarding the [sic] their interest rate strategy is proving interesting.”
“... This unit works with customers who, for whatever reason, no longer meet the Bank's generally accepted lending criteria and/or where there are breaches of lending covenants. Your file has been referred to Scott predominantly due to the perceived refinance risks in relation to the loan agreement which expires in December. Scott's role is to seek to understand the challenges that the business is currently facing and to explore possible solutions. This will include an opportunity to discuss the company's interest rate hedging strategy, and the use of asset disposal proceeds. ... Ultimately, the aim is to assist in the restoration of the businesses financial position within parameters acceptable to all parties concerned which will enable transfer of your file back to my control.”
“This appears quite expensive and perhaps an area RBS may want to resolve internally”
“In a low rate environment the option to extend a hedge is in the money and therefore more expensive, whereas an option to cancel the hedge is out of the money and unlikely to happen resulting in the lower cost to buy it back.”
“As noted above, the only advantage of the level of prevailing market rates is that the cost of terminating the existing bank option to cancel the two interest rate swaps is relatively small” but also discussed the (more expensive) removal of RBS’s right to extend the Third Swap; noted RBS’s further right to increase the notional amount on the Fourth Swap in September, 2011, and recommended that the Fourth Swap be terminated; and stated that: “As independent advisers we have worked on a large number of hedging portfolios in the past couple of years where the advice given by banks on hedging structures has been based on encouraging their customers to speculate and has been totally inappropriate. The advice given to the Company would rank amongst the worst examples of structured products of a toxic nature. No doubt the bank was instructed to recommend instruments that produced a short term and immediate below market rate… While we have not seen the specific recommendations that RBS proposed to the Company, we would expect them to contain a standard health warning together with the recommendation that the Company took independent advice. As we assume the Company did not heed this advice, we would doubt that the Company has any legal grounds on which to accuse the Bank of mis-selling (although it would appear that some European entities are pursuing this course of action) . . .”
“We do have the right to call for valuations immediately, which underpinned my recommendation to REF Watch Committee to bring forward the valuation process (originally agreed with client to commence in September, in anticipation of the facility expiry in December). A formal valuation was not taken last year- it was agreed as part of a holding strategy with the client last year that the LTV covenant would be based on PFG numbers (given concerns regarding the lack of liquidity and comparable evidence in the marketplace for secondary assets). The net sale proceeds of circa£4.03m , compares favourably with PFG's estimate of circa£3.1m (April 09). The last formal valuation appears to have been undertaken in 2006 (postulated£4.9m ). We have only a hard copy on file.”
“I asked him [Mr Russell] what we should do about Russells and he was happy that Paul writes to Andy [Mr Russell’s nephew] explaining that Russells aggregation with Alliance and the restructuring of the latter means that separate staff from the Bank will need to get involved…”
“On the valuation, we will not get anywhere with them without it so I do not think there is any choice in the matter – any conversation we have with them without it will be meaningless. DTZ are ok in my experience but we should insist on seeing the instruction they are given if we are paying.”
“I have 24 property schedules in draft. I have had two meetings with the customer and it is clear I need info from the customer on 5 properties….The total portfolio value islooking circa£86.5 million ”
“As we mentioned in an earlier email, we feel it is appropriate to reserve our position with respect to the four derivative contracts we currently have in place with RBS and hence the attached letter. We very much hope that this can be consigned to history by reaching agreement on the refinancing but I am sure you understand our position.”
“The bad news is that they are back to 3 years. The good news is that they accepted that there is merit in our arguments on the derivatives at least from a moral perspective and that the bank is willing to meet us part way therefore. The way they have done so is to compare the proposal we made in January to where a new 3 year facility for Alliance would be today and to pick a point between these two. The bottom line is that the Bank is offering an incentive of£2.648 million and we in the meeting said we would settle at£3.3 million . . .”
“I believe that RBS and Alliance should be fully aligned in seeking to reach agreement as soon as possible and to execute definitive documentation of the refinancing facility by March 31st 2011. To this end, we have in the last few days carefully reviewed the correspondence between us since October 2010 and have also considered our position in the context of the banking market soundings we have taken in the last two days. . . . . while the Bank [RBS] currently accepts no legal responsibility for any detriment to Alliance [PAG] resulting from the four derivative contracts [the Swaps], the Bank [RBS] is willing to negotiate refinancing facility terms that reflect a mid-point between [PAG’s] refinancing proposals of19 January 2011 and current market conditions. . . . We would again emphasise that we wish to resolve the refinancing and the derivatives position as soon as practicable so that we can all focus upon generating future business to mutual profit.”
“PAG: strategy to return to satisfactory Expired facility to be refinanced by a new 3 year term facility Swap position and mis-selling complaint to be addressed by closing out all swaps and capitalising the mtm to debt 100% cash sweep to provide partial amortisation Security review to be completed as part of the documentation of the new facility …”
“Bank policy is interesting I’m sure. We are more concerned with commercial reality. We are not agreeing to the three matters at issue so we should perhaps work out what happens next… That is our final position… Assuming your position remains the same then we need to discuss what happens next since there will be no refinancing and we will revert to legal action in respect of the derivatives.”
“I suggest rather than emails threatening things that will simply result in you going to court and us accelerating and appointing receivers – which is not in your interests or ours, we have a conversation on Monday. ... We have come so far and each side has compromised on a number of matters, so it would be a shame if we failed to agree what are relatively minor matters at the last hurdle.”
“As we discussed, we have settled an inappropriate "hedging" position with a competitor bank ...”
“In fact other Banks have taken on this point and their responsibilities and resolved these issues in a commercial and ethical manner. It may well be that they did not wish to have the matter dragged through the courts, with the ensuing publicity, and face the potential loss with its impact of all other similarly placed derivatives and/or hedges.”
“I have begun the internal process to return the PAG connection to my frontline colleagues in Manchester. I’m sure you will be glad to be back in local hands “good bank” and away from GRG. As part of this process I will need to address the situation for David Russell and Valerie Russell Trust Facilities. Is it best for me to do this with you or directly with David?”
“I note that we have the right to call for revaluations on an annual basis but do not intend to request at this time given the debt is performing and reducing in line with expectations and there would be little benefit to potentially flagging an LTV breach…Whilst I am willing to accept this position we may find that this is an obstacle when it comes to progressing RTS [return to the frontline] discussions which is exactly what I have seen on another case in this position (as I’m sure Dave will confirm).”
“In short, a bank negotiating and contracting with another party owes in the first instance no duty to explain the nature or effect of the proposed arrangement to that other party. However, if the bank does give an explanation or tender advice, then it owes a duty to give that explanation or tender that advice fully, accurately and properly. How far that duty goes must once again depend on the precise nature of the circumstances and of the explanation or advice which is tendered.”
“Mr Milligan accepted that BTCo and BTI did in the present case owe a duty to take reasonable care not to misstate facts in any of the relevant meetings or letters. DSS alleges that explanations and advice were tendered which went beyond the mere statement of facts, and that BTCo and BTI owed correspondingly broader duties.”
“It is true that there was a disparity in expertise between BTCo on the one hand and DSS on the other. Nevertheless Mr Thio and Mr Kong were experienced in financial matters and deliberately interested themselves in a transaction which, in my judgment, they must well have understood to be speculative. They did not ask and they were not entitled to expect BTCo to act as their advisers generally. Nor did BTCo and BTI make particular statements giving rise to any particular advisory duty at the meeting or in their letter of19 January 1994 or otherwise.”
“In so far as BTI made representations to DSS regarding the nature or risks of swap 2, it is conceded by Mr Milligan that BTI owed to DSS a duty not carelessly to mistake [misstate] facts, a duty which would in my judgment have been breached to the extent that any such representations were inaccurate. On the facts which I have found, this duty would oblige BTI and BTCo to present the financial implications of the proposal by a properly constructed graph and letter. The downside and upside of the proposal should have been presented in a balanced fashion. . . .” fashion. . . .”
“The courts should not be too ready to read duties of an advisory nature into this type of relationship. BTCo's conduct in proffering swap 2 as a means of avoiding loss on swap 1 and the terms in which BTCo recommended swap 2 for consideration are factors which I accept tend to favour the recognition of broader advisory duties on BTCo's and BTI's part. But before recognising any such duty the court must consider the well-recognised, overlapping criteria of (a) foreseeability (b) proximity and (c) fairness, justice and reasonableness in the context of the particular relationship and situation and in the light of the type of harm (here financial loss) against which protection is sought. The ultimate decision whether to recognise a duty of care, and if so of what scope, is pragmatic.”
“I accept that it would, if disclosed, have been likely to cause DSS to think very hard about swap 2. The fact remains that this is not information of a nature which anyone at the time would have expected to be disclosed before such a transaction. DSS in particular never sought any information or assurances about BTCo's or BTI's profit or about the possibility or cost of reversal of either swap before entering into either. Each swap was entered into as a longer term speculation, and with a view to awaiting events and profiting (or, if the worst occurred, losing) according to the actual movements of rates over the next year. Neither swap was entered into with a view to reversing or trading the transaction on the current market at an earlier stage. I would add that the swaps were also based both on Dr Williams' forecasts and on such views as DSS itself had about the future market. They were not based on any representation about general market expectations, which were probably also one reason for the adverse current market value of swap 2 in mid-February 1994. In all these circumstances it is not, in my judgment, appropriate to treat BTCo or BTI as having assumed or incurred a duty to explain the adverse current market value.”
“He needed to provide information about the products on offer in order to sell one of them to Crestsign. It is common ground that in doing so, he had a duty not to mislead Crestsign. In Mance J’s language, he had a duty ‘to give that explanation or tender that advice fully, accurately and properly’. But how far that duty goes must depend on ‘the precise nature of the circumstances and of the explanation or advice which is tendered’. I remind myself that Mr Gillard needed Crestsign to be sufficiently aware of the nature and effect of the hedging products on offer to be willing to sign up to one of them, on terms acceptable to both parties.”
“. . . may well have invited further enquiry… If Mr Parker [the customer representative] had asked: “Are we talking about tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands?”
“Accordingly it seems to me that the principle which can be derived from that case is that a positive duty would exist only in the context of an advisory relationship or (absent any undertaking to inform) if it rendered inaccurate or unreasonable the information provided. It is not in my view authority for a wider or broader duty to provide information in the absence of an advisory relationship.”
“127. In arriving at that conclusion the Deputy Judge accepted (at 150) that the bank needed to provide information about the products on offer in order to sell one of them to Crestsign and in doing so the bank had a duty not to mislead but stated that the bank must provide the explanation fully and accurately so that the customer was sufficiently aware of the nature and effect of the hedging products on offer to be willing to sign up to one of them. He concludes: "it seems to me that Mr Gillard's duty was to explain fully only those products which he wished to sell to Crestsign." 128. As I have stated it seems to me that the dictum of Mance J relied on by the Deputy Judge is not as extensive as it might appear taken in isolation. Each case must depend on its facts but to the extent that the Deputy Judge was making a point of more general application, it seems to me that the Deputy Judge would in effect have elevated the duty of a salesman to that of an adviser. As I have already indicated in relation to the issue of whether the Bank assumed an advisory relationship, the authority of Springwell reminds the court of the distinction between an adviser and a salesman and in my view the duty of a salesman is not to mislead but in the absence of an advisory relationship, a salesman has no obligation to explain fully the products which it is trying to sell.”
“130. In my view the dictum of Tomlinson LJ is relevant regardless of any argument as to whether a common law duty of care could exist independently of the COB rules. The significance in my view of the dictum of Tomlinson LJ at 17 is that he sets out the extent of the Hedley Byrne duty and in so doing addresses the issue in this case, namely whether the Hedley Byrne duty extends beyond a duty to take reasonable steps not to mislead. He states: "the judge observed, rightly in my view, although I paraphrase his language, that the Hedley Byrne duty does not comprise a duty to give information unless without it a relevant statement made within the context of the assumption of responsibility is misleading. Thus in so far as COB 2.1.3R refers to a duty to take reasonable steps not to mislead, this is comprised within the common law duty, but in so far as it refers to a duty to take reasonable steps to communicate clearly or fairly, this introduces notions going beyond the accuracy of what is said which is the touchstone of the Hedley Byrne duty. The duty imposed by COB 5.4.3R to take reasonable steps to ensure that the counterparty to a transaction understands its nature the judge regarded, again rightly in my view, as well outside any notion of a duty not to misstate, as he characterised the Hedley Byrne duty to be.…" I do not therefore accept that the case can be distinguished either on the basis that it was not argued that a common law duty of care could exist independently or as limited to its own facts. It is a clear statement of the extent of the common law duty although I accept that it was obiter.”
“ EWAN WYSE: We're tying it up. TONY BESCOBY: Yeah, you're tied in for ten years and if it's catastrophic and rates fall, then, obviously, you know, you've got -- you're left paying 5% on a higher amount. EWAN WYSE: But ---- TONY BESCOBY: But basically, we/he thought that -- you know, they thought that the sort of fair value, if you like, of that swap was around about 5%, then, you know, you shouldn't be too concerned about that, really.”
“In the event the market has moved against a transaction you have undertaken, you may incur substantial costs if you wish to close out your position”; the Presentation Notes to the June 2004 “Structured Hedging Solution”
“(3) The Term Sheets do not refer to any of these matters and they are vague, imprecise and inherently implausible statements for a selling bank to make. The vague and uncertain nature of the statements mean that they are ill-suited to constitute actionable statements. What, for example, is meant by a “true hedge”, a “proper hedging strategy” and how, precisely, is a bank meant to judge whether the benefits for its counterparty of any transaction outweigh the risks? A reasonable person would not have understood that SCB was making representations in such vague and ill-defined terms. (4) This is all the more so when one considers the disclaimers set out in the Term Sheets and all the other documentation relating to the transactions. In particular the Term Sheets stated at the bottom of every page “This document … is for discussion purposes only and does not constitute any offer, recommendation or solicitation to any person to enter into any transaction or adopt any hedging, trading or investment strategy” that “SCB has no fiduciary duty towards you, and assumes no responsibility to advise on and makes no representation as to the appropriateness or possible consequences of the prospective transaction” and that “You are advised to make your own independent judgment with respect to any matter contained herein”
“Non-Reliance. It is acting for its own account, and it has made its own independent decisions to enter into that Transaction and as to whether that Transaction is appropriate or proper for it based upon its own judgement and upon advice from such advisers as it has deemed necessary. It is not relying on any communication (written or oral) of the other party as investment advice or as a recommendation to enter into that Transaction; it being understood that information and explanations related to the terms and conditions of a Transaction shall not be considered investment advice or a recommendation to enter into that Transaction. No communication (written or oral) received from the other party shall be deemed to be an assurance or guarantee as to the expected results of that Transaction. Assessment and understanding. It is capable of assessing the merits of and understanding (on its own behalf or through independent professional advice), and understands and accepts, the terms, conditions and risks of that Transaction. It is also capable of assuming, and assumes, the risks of that Transaction.”
“All business we conduct with or for you shall be governed by these Terms of Business and applicable law so that:- (a) If there is any conflict between (i) these Terms of Business, and (ii) any applicable law, we shall be entitled to comply with such applicable law rather than these Terms of Business. (b) We may take or omit to take any action we consider fit in order to ensure compliance with any such applicable law and neither we nor any of our affiliates [etc] shall be liable as a result of any action taken in good faith by us or any third party selected by us and acting on your behalf to comply therewith; (c) Such applicable law and all such actions so taken shall be binding on you; and (d) Both of us recognise that, save to the extent provided above, the applicable law is not, and is not intended to be, incorporated into these Terms of Business so as to give rise to any additional rights and/or obligations as between us except to the extent expressly required by statute or any other applicable law.”
“all applicable law, rules and regulations, including without limitation the FSA Rules…”
“For the purposes of these Terms, applicable regulations shall include the FSA Rules, the rules of any other relevant regulatory authority or exchange and any applicable laws and regulations in force from time to time (‘the Applicable Regulations’). Where these Terms conflict with Applicable Regulations the latter shall prevail.”
“Whether there is a binding contract between the parties and, if so, upon what terms depends upon what they have agreed. It depends not upon their subjective state of mind, but upon a consideration of what was communicated between them by words or conduct, and whether that leads objectively to a conclusion that they intended to create legal relations and had agreed upon all the terms which they regarded or the law requires as essential for the formation of legally binding relations”
“A. I think if there had been, at that point, a revised swap misselling claim and we were dealing with that and this was in settlement of a swap mis-selling claim, then that would be in there. But in hindsight, I would lower that threshold to cover that one. Q. What does that mean? A. It means it was a mistake not to cover off that eventuality at that time.”
“A. I would agree with that, and also that I understood that if a consensual restructure could be completed they would not pursue the swaps complaint.”
“Q. As far you were concerned, if you had asked PAG to record it in writing, this position, they would have done so; is that right? A. I don't know what they would have said. If I thought it was the right thing to do and that needed to be done formally, then I would have put that on the table. Q. When you said you don't know what they would have said, you don't know whether they would have agreed? That's what you mean, isn't it? A. Well, knowing the way PAG had done, if we had asked for something late in the day then that would have been "Well, we want something else back in return if you want that writing". So that may well have been how it would have done. If I needed it in, it should have been up there at the beginning and we would have discussed it.”
“Q. The reason, Mr Didier, that you took that course is because you knew that PAG would not agree to give up any swaps claims; that's right, isn't it? A. I did not countenance it at the time, I did not consider if they would enter into such agreement.”
“Q. It’s right, isn’t it, Mr Whatham, that if RBS thought that PAG was agreeing to give up any subsequent swaps claims, it would have been a very obvious step for RBS to take to procure that agreement by PAG to have that agreement set out or recorded in some document? A. I think in hindsight that would have been the right thing to do. The thought process I had at the time was that we were not admitting to any error or problem with the swaps, but that we were dealing with a customer complaint. And by entering into the restructure we dealt with the customer complaint, because all the way along it had been made clear that right the way from the George Osborne letters, through to subsequent, every now and then Robin would write a letter or David would write a letter on the subject, it was always the subject if we basically don't get what we want. And my reading of coming to an amicable conclusion and getting an offmarket deal sorted that out, and I discussed that with Laura and we agreed that we didn't need anything specific in there that would look like we were agreeing that there was any swap mis-selling compromise agreement, because there wasn't.”
“An important feature of the above line of authorities is that in each case the discretion did not involve a simple decision whether or not to exercise an absolute contractual right. The discretion involved making an assessment or choosing from a range of options, taking into account the interests of both parties. In any contract under which one party is permitted to exercise such a discretion, there is an implied term. The precise formulation of that term has been variously expressed in the authorities. In essence, however, it is that the relevant party will not exercise its discretion in an arbitrary, capricious or irrational manner. Such a term is extremely difficult to exclude, although I would not say it is utterly impossible to do so. . . .”
“Where A and B contract with each other to confer a discretion on A, that does not render B subject to A’s uninhibited whim. In my judgment, the authorities show that not only must the discretion be exercised honestly and in good faith, but, having regard to the provisions of the contract by which it is conferred, it must not be exercised arbitrarily, capriciously or unreasonably. That entails a proper consideration of the matter after making any necessary inquiries. To these principles, little is added by the concept of fairness: it does no more than describe the result achieved by their application.”
“Such an obligation is likely to be implicit in any commercial contract under which one party is given the right to make a decision on a matter which affects both parties whose interests are not the same.”
“In each of the above cases the implied term was intrinsic. The contract would not make sense without it. It would have been absurd in any of those cases to read the contract as permitting the party in question to exercise its discretion in an arbitrary, irrational or capricious manner.”
“18 Contractual terms in which one party to the contract is given the power to exercise a discretion, or to form an opinion as to relevant facts, are extremely common. It is not for the courts to rewrite the parties’ bargain for them, still less to substitute themselves for the contractually agreed decision- maker. Nevertheless, the party who is charged with making decisions which affect the rights of both parties to the contract has a clear conflict of interest. That conflict is heightened where there is a significant imbalance of power between the contracting parties as there often will be in an employment contract. The courts have therefore sought to ensure that such contractual powers are not abused. They have done so by implying a term as to the manner in which such powers may be exercised, a term which may vary according to the terms of the contract and the context in which the decision- making power is given.”
“If that were so, it would mean that the claimant would be completely free, in theory at least, to specify interest rates at the most exorbitant level. It is true that in the case of the Nash agreement clause 3.3 provides that the rate charged is that which applies to the category of business to which the claimant considers the mortgage belongs. That prevents the claimant from treating the Nashes differently from other borrowers in the same category. But it does not protect borrowers in that category from being treated in a capricious manner, or, for example, being subjected to very high rates of interest in order to force them into arrears with a view to obtaining possession of their properties.”
“… I start by reminding myself that there is no general doctrine of “good faith” in English contract law, although a duty of good faith is implied by law as an incident of certain categories of contract: see Horkulak at paragraph 30 and Yam Seng Pte Ltd v International Trade Corporation Ltd[2013] EWHC 111 (QB) at paragraphs 120-131. If the parties wish to impose such a duty they must do so expressly. He also took me to a passage from the judgment of Leggatt J in the Yam Seng case itself at [131] which is as follows: “Under English law a duty of good faith is implied by law as an incident of certain categories of contract, for example contracts of employment and contracts between partners or others whose relationship is characterised as a fiduciary one. I doubt that English law has reached the stage, however, where it is ready to recognise a requirement of good faith as a duty implied by law, even as a default rule, into all commercial contracts. Nevertheless, there seems to me to be no difficulty, following the established methodology of English law for the implication of terms in fact, in implying such a duty in any ordinary commercial contract based on the presumed intention of the parties.”
“…such a term is unlikely to arise by way of necessary implication in a contract between two sophisticated commercial parties negotiating at arms’ length. Leggatt J’s judgment in Yam Seng Pte Ltd v InternationalTrade Corp Ltd[2011] EWHC 111 (QB) ; [2013] 1 CLC 662, on which Greenclose heavily relies, is not to be regarded as laying down any general principle applicable to all commercial contracts. As Leggatt J expressly recognized at [147] of that judgment, the implication of an obligation of good faith is heavily dependent on the context.”
“2. In relation to PAG, my understanding when I came to work on the file in early 2013 was that RBS was not inclined to continue financing PAG beyond the expiry of the 2011 Facility in June 2014. … 38. As I mentioned above, it was my understanding when I came to work on the file in early 2013 that RBS was not inclined to continue financing PAG beyond the expiry of the 2011 Facility in June 2014, largely in view of PAG's high LTV ratio." 312. Mr Lord says that these paragraphs support the evidence of Mr Thomson about the date on which a decision was taken not to re-finance PAG’s loans. PAG seeks to rely on them pursuant toCPR 32.5 (5), which reads: “(5) If a party who has served a witness statement does not— (a) call the witness to give evidence at trial; or (b) put the witness statement in as hearsay evidence, any other party may put the witness statement in as hearsay evidence.”
“The rules of evidence have grown up, as I have said, largely in more traditional times when the parties called their evidence orally. Mr. Price is relying on the change of rule, in my judgment, to drive a coach and horses through the principles of the law on evidence as they have previously been understood. He wishes to put before the jury as hearsay evidence on his client's behalf the evidence of a man which he wishes to say, straight away, is to a very substantial extent untrue. When I asked him whether he would accept that Mr. Abernethy, who is not a party to the proceedings, should be allowed to be called and cross- examined by Mr. Caldecott, he said "No." He regarded this as a very unfair suggestion on the basis that, if Mr. Caldecott decided not to call him, he should not be in a better position by being able to have more scope in crossexamination than he would with one of his own witnesses in evidence-in-chief. However, I know of no principle of the law of evidence by which a party may put in evidence a written statement of a witness knowing that his evidence conflicts to a substantial degree with the case he is seeking to place before the jury, on the basis that he will say straight away in the witness's absence that the jury should disbelieve as untrue a substantial part of that evidence.”
“Overall the 2011 terms appear somehow generous with no real deleverage targets, although in mitigation the ambition then was to RTS the account. With the advent of RCR that ambition has now changed ... ”
“Q. You agree that if Mr Thomson is right, and by13 May 2013 he's formed the view that RBS would not be refinancing PAG in June 2014, there would be no good reason for him to seek -- A. I think he's got his dates wrong. Sorry, the dates don't make sense. We didn't know about RCR until November 2013. Q. I think all you have to agree -- the question is only -- A. I can agree, but the dates don't make sense. Then I would be agreeing with something -- I agree with your statement that if, in May 2013, he thought they wouldn't be refinanced, but I think he's getting confused, because when I told him to tell them they would have to be repaid that was in light of RCR.”
“The rate at which an individual Contributor Panel bank could borrow funds, were it to do so by asking for and then accepting inter-bank offers in reasonable market size, just prior to 11:00 [am] London time.”
“The rate at which each bank submits must be formed from that bank’s perception of its cost of unsecured funds in the London interbank market. This will be based on the cost of funds not covered by any governmental guarantee scheme. Contributions must represent rates at which a bank would be offered funds in the London interbank market. Contributions must be for the specific currency concerned and not the cost of producing the currency by borrowing in a different currency and obtaining the required currency via the foreign exchange markets. The rates must be submitted by members of staff at a bank with primary responsibility for management of a bank’s cash, rather than a bank’s derivative book. The definition of “funds” is: unsecured interbank cash or cash raised through primary issuance of interbank Certificates of Deposit.”
“The strength of the system is that the rates submitted into the process are a bank’s own view of its cost of funds, based on the totality of the information available to a bank from both internal and external sources.… Whilst a bank’s LIBOR submissions are its own perception of where it could take funds, this is shaped by a wide number of factors… Contributors should consider external indicators when forming LIBOR rates but ultimately they must derive from a bank’s own view.”
“1. Each contributor bank must provide the Designated Distributor (currently Thomson Reuters) by 11.10 each London Business day with rates in allthose currencies and periods to which it has agreed to contribute. 2. The rate at which each contributor submits must be formed from that bank’s perception of its cost of funds in the interbank market. In the event that a given period has no market offer then the contributing Bank is required to use its market knowledge to supply an appropriate rate that is, as far as is possible, a fair and accurate reflection of that bank’sopinion of its cost of funds. … 6. Contributor banks must undertake to provide rates on every London business day.”
“Under certain circumstances, contributor banks will take funds at levels above or below LIBOR, for example when dealing in particularly large or particularly small size. However, this does not necessarily mean that they should raise or drop their rates to these levels. LIBOR is the rate at which an individual Contributor Panel bank could borrow funds were it to do so by asking for and then accepting inter-bank offers in reasonable market size, just prior to 11:00am London time. That is, it is the rate a bank could take funds at an arbitrary time in the market, not the rate that one institution will show money to a contributor whose name they are specifically looking for at a particular moment. To emphasise this further, if one morning a bank funds at considerably below (or for that matter, above) its most recent quoted LIBOR submission it does not follow that the bank should change its LIBOR to this rate for the day. In the current market, which is still stressed and volatile, bid-offer spread is still very wide. Flows come and go. A bank should have a reasonable expectation that ceteris paribus the rate it submits today should still hold tomorrow morning.”
“from my time working on the sterling desk, the cash LIBOR setter would take into account what he'd learned from the market, I guess via brokers. He'd take into account his fixings, both on and off the balance sheet on the day. He would also take into account the positions of close-by colleagues on the swaps desk.”
“Q. Are you justifying the position on the basis that you heard derivatives traders expressing preferences for where LIBOR would move, that was something which you put out of your mind when you made your LIBOR submission; is that really what you are saying? A. We are talking about LIBOR, the path of LIBOR, what would suit people over a path of a period of time. As I say, it could be in terms of a broader strategy where people would have these spreads. I mean, the derivatives traders would trade relative value, so one instrument against another, and look at the basis as in relationship between the instruments and how they move, so when they talk about things suiting them it isn't necessarily on the spur of the moment at that point in time. Q. I'm going to suggest to you, Mr Thomasson, that you did take into account derivatives traders' preferences for LIBOR movements when you were making your submissions on behalf of RBS? A. I did not. Q. I'm going to suggest to you that you did take into account RBS's money market positions when you made your LIBOR submissions on behalf of RBS? A. I did not.”
“Has there been any comment on the GBP 3 month fixings over the past three days, I am struggling to understand how a bank can fix 11 bps lower yesterday and move back up 6 bps today in a market that has most contributors unchanged to 2 bps lower?”
“I have been in touch with Reuters, they are going to improve the monitoring of LIBOR submissions in two ways. Firstly they will tighten the tolerances on submissions so that a movement of more than 5bp on previous submissions triggers an alarm, and therefore a call to the contyributor [sic], and secondly a check on submissions whereby any contributor than submits a rate that moves up or down more than double the average movement up or down for the day triggers an alarm and therefore a call. They will roll this out over currencies and maturities, starting with USD, GBP and CHF 1m, 3m and 6m. Development will be next week, testing the week after and it will go live August 4th. In the meantime, Reuters analysts will do these checks by eyeballing the data.”
“Q. These calendar entries of yours, they would be popping up, wouldn't they, too late for that -- they would be coming up after you had carried out this sort of market reconnaissance task that you do over the first part of your day; isn't that right? A. The point I was trying to make earlier, I look at my calendar and see what was in it as soon as I came in, in the morning, so I would see those -- I don't think the timing is relevant in that regard. Q. I suggest to you, Mr Thomasson, that it is relevant and what it's doing, it's reminding you to take those - - it's giving you an actual reminder that around about 8.30, 9.00, 9.30, 10 o'clock, you've got to be taking into account those fixes and I suggest the reason that you made them was because that was the time that you would be preparing to make the RBS LIBOR submissions on those days; that is right, isn't it? A. No, that is not correct, as I said. We would start the day earlier than that and would then fix our master curve which would drive the pricing aligned to the 8 basis point spread between bid and offer and, from then on, as the day evolved, I would take into account everything that was going on. Those observations may have caused me to question something about our requirement for funding. I notice particularly in this period, in -- well, in both of these, we had seen dramatic moves in our rates for the month of August, which was the three months, our rates had gone from the start of the month, 93 basis points down to 71 by the end of the month and on the month of the six-month entry our rate had gone from 103 down to 77 basis points. So we were seeing a market that was moving quite aggressively and there was clearly a changing funding requirement. Sorry to go on, but I've looked through the trades around this time, particularly three months was a much more liquid market and we have both trades where we have issued certificates of deposit and taken cash and we've also been buying other banks' certificates of deposits, so there was liquidity in the markets and the rates we have set are completely appropriate. Q. Were those to coincide with requests from derivative traders, Mr Thomasson? A. No, they were not. Q. Were they to coincide with other market positions that you might have had on your book? A. No, they were not. As I say, it was a reflection of the funding environment. We had an outlier in six months since the end of the prior month. We had been significantly higher than a number of the other panel banks, which would lead me to assume that our bid rate in the market was significantly higher than most of our peer group and we would have been picking up funding.”
“I understand. Jimmy is also running very short usd vs jpy day to day I believe.”
“Well, I mean the spreads on LIBORs are so huge now, I mean you’re getting, like a twelve basis-point spread on people’s fixings, just because people are setting them to where suits their book basically ... I think the markets have completely broken down as regards, like those kind of fixings now, because there’s no underlying market anymore ... LIBOR is what you say it is, basically.” iv) Mr Walker concluded by reiterating his understanding from Mr Danziger that if RBS didn’t set JPY LIBOR where Brevan Howard wanted it then “they’re not going to deal with us anymore”, to which Mr Nygaard’s response was: “Yeah. Talk about collusion!”
“SCOTT NYGAARD: Jimmy, are you planning to join that call with BH? JIMMY CHI MIN TAN: i am thinking abt it ... Bernie [Ward, an RBS bond trader] saying we shud avoid it as best as we can in saying anything ... BH will want to tape the call and might use it agst us in any fixing ... am sure they are abt to complain to BBA and FSA. SCOTT NYGAARD: could be. I spoke with Paul, the mm trader, and told him to be careful ... Not to say where we plan to set rates or let them pressure us ... I think Bernie is a little too worried. JIMMY CHI MIN TAN: am sure ... they sounded a bit like blackmail ... saying why we fixing high and we have good relationship with them now ... which could be affected in future ... SCOTT NYGAARD: I don't think they would try and screw us with the BBA. Just try to pressure us a bit to lower the rate ... JIMMY CHI MIN TAN: i might just sit in ... and not speak SCOTT NYGAARD: Paul said that Neil would be on the call too. JIMMY CHI MIN TAN: yes ... cos Neil is the one setting the jpy libor in london now ... for this week and next ... Paul White is on leave SCOTT NYGAARD: I see. JIMMY CHI MIN TAN: and we want high fix in 3s SCOTT NYGAARD: go Neil! ... hahahaha”
“and we want high fix in 3s” to which Mr Nygaard responded: “go Neil! Hahahaha” it was suggested in crossexamination that Mr Tan was indicating that RBS's own positions meant that it wanted a high fix for three-month LIBORs. Mr Nygaard responded: “I don't believe that is how I interpreted it at that point.”
“. . . My response is that this is a sort of a release of a build-up of stress that instead of bowing to Brevan Howard's supposed pressure, we are going to do the right thing, and I'm saying "Yes, go Neil!"”
“Much of what we are now seeing was brought to a head on 9th August, when the interbank cash markets became illiquid in any maturity beyond overnight. The actions by the Fed and the ECB managed to bring some more normality to very short maturities, but today we have seen the USD cash market return to the state that it found itself in early on 9th August. The Libor fixings have now started to rise again, with one month USD Libor setting today at 5.565% ... up from 5.5025% on Friday ..... not that I've heard about any possible Fed rate rise? Additionally, one of the contributors (major bank) to the USD Libor fixing suggested that 5.65% was their 'reference rate' for today. One month GBP Libor fixed today at 6.5025% ...... the 'mechanism' is definitely still broken.”
“. . . We have paid libor +1-2bp ourselves at times if the size and period suits. Libor is in any case of little consequence at the moment as it should be 10-15 higher in reality. We have the brokers all primed to show us whatever cash is out there so that we can counter the price however we can have a different, more open discussion with the clients directly.”
“Libors are, at best, a guess at where we think the market ought to be. Lack of liquidity makes them purely indicative.”
“A. It's very important to note the date of this email,24 September 2008 , this is a Wednesday; Lehman went bust on the previous Sunday. The market froze. This was, you know, a once in a generation event, maybe even a bigger event than that, and so the markets had literally frozen up in that week and so I think it's a fair description of what we were -- what I was trying to describe to senior management, what was going on immediately following this event.”
“At the BBA Wholesale committee today, a good point was made about exercising the market disruption clause. Any bank which quotes to the LIBOR panel could not quote a cost of funds greater than their Libor quote to the panel. Thus in the USD Libor where dispersion has been about 110 bps, the only people who could make a claim are those who fix above the average. For RBS it means our LIBOR would need to be higher than historically. Scott, could you send a complete list of quotes over the last two weeks from all 16 banks for USD to give a better idea of dispersion pls. . .” 361. A. ...I think they are missing the point that it is possible to submit your LIBOR at a higher level, above the BBA submission -- sorry, the average, and still potentially be able to invoke the market disruption clause. 362. ... A. I don't interpret it that way. Johnny is the chairman of the bank -- of the investment bank. He was Brian Crowe's boss, he's many layers above me. I don't -- I wouldn't expect him to know the details and the technicalities of the LIBOR market. I don't think he would be aware of where we were setting versus the BBA LIBOR itself. Hence, I think -- I mean, you know, the request from Brian, to give me some background information a historic rate settings, would be useful for them to understand or have a better picture of what was going on. 364. ... 365. ...The concern actually that we had was that we continued to provide client services as we promised. We didn't want to be seen to be not doing what we said we would do. That was really what was kind of driving the discussion. The other part of this, I think it's important to note too, because I don't know if we'll get to that elsewhere, but we frequently talked about our cost of funds in the money market world, and there was -- most of the assets on the books of the bank were rolling on a one-month to three-month basis and, frankly, that is how the bank was run for many years, funding these short-dated assets on a short-term basis. When the crisis hit and, certainly the beginning of 2007, we began to try to extend the duration on the liability side, beyond three months. The implication of that is that our funding was actually more expensive than the levels at which we were rolling our assets at, because we were taking longer term funds to fund shorter term assets. In addition, we were taking more and more long-term liabilities through our group treasury that was issuing anywhere from two years out to ten years cash and swapping it down to curve, it could be one month plus 100 or 150, and we were funding assets at LIBOR flat, out of the money market book. So there are a number of issues kind of being discussed or underlying this talk about the market disruption clause. Ultimately, we decided not to invoke it. The other aspect of this is that we weren't just talking about what was going on in London, we were talking about what was going on in other centres, in particular in Asia ...”
“JC: . . . Bloomberg are asking about LIBOR, you know, actually, 'If there's no trading on, how can any post any levels?' So basically that's where we offer and I believe, you know, some stuff has been done in, like, Asia, and things. ... JC: I believe, you know, some clients have taken money down using that as a reference rate. Paul: Oh, what, our LIBORs? JC: Yes. Paul: Yes. I mean, our LIBORs, we support our business totally at our LIBORs. JC: If we'd post LIBOR, then we-, then that's our price, and if someone would do that, spread on that, that's what they get. Paul: Exactly. As far as our franchise is concerned, I quote an eight basis point spread from one month to one year, and everything is done on that spread. JC: Have we actually taken any? We have taken some-, are we taking any term money today at all? Paul: I've seen some one-month. JC: That's a result. Paul: Yes. Well, one month and loads and loads of overnight. ... Paul: So we support ours. JC: So I can go back to Bloomberg and say, 'Look, we support it and that's the price for our customers ... Paul: That's for our business, those are our rates, yes. I mean, you've got, between fixing banks now that go into the BBA LIBOR, you've got generally about 120 basis point spread between banks, between the US banks at the lowest. Barclays tends to be the highest. JC: I don't want to be in a gold medal spot. Paul: No. I know. Peter Nielsen is pushing that way, so it might be something we need to (talking over each other 02.21). JC: What, he wants to be in a gold medal spot? Paul: He basically wants to be up there with Barclays. JC: I don't mind being in the bronze medal spot. Paul: Well, pretty much that's what we are, but when we're in the bronze medal spot, above us is Barclays and HBOS, so that doesn't look very nice. . . .”
'We do not want to be the highest. We certainly don't want to be higher than HBOS or Barclays.'
“Given the good reception and the orders we still have, it makes sense to move our price a bit. I suspect there will continue to be growing demand for this paper- which will be filled to a certain extent as our competitors finally come on line, but creating a perception of scarcity in the short end may help us push the relative value of our regular paper. We will slowly edge our libor settings down relative to the rest of the panel members as well, but keep aggressive pricing for our deposit raising initiative.”
“People are just setting LIBORs to suit their books. There’s no, kind of-, LIBOR is irrelevant now ... it’s just where you’ve got your fixes, really ...”
“Yes. Well, I mean the spreads on LIBORs are so huge now, I mean you're getting, like a twelve- basis-point spread on people's fixings, just because people are setting them to where suits their book, basically.”
“I think the markets have completely broken down as regards, like, those kind of fixings now, because there's no underlying market anymore” with which Mr Nygaard agreed. He went on: “LIBOR is what you say it is, basically.”
“Talking about banks just setting it for their daily fixings means that banks would go up and down within the 16 banks every day, and that's not what happened. The spread between banks got bigger and bigger and bigger, and the banks got more and more strained, or the better ones got better and the worse ones got worse.”
“It’s two things. So the market had risen quite dramatically, and then in the days running up to this Thursday, these discussions were – rates had started to drop dramatically. Going into a Fed meeting on the Friday, we had been given huge amounts of cash and I had more cash coming in on the Friday, and I wouldn’t have mentioned a specific rate, I’m just telling Dave that, you know, the front end of the market, the one month, I think this one month, is very, very liquid, so don’t overpay.”
“yeah thats part of it definitly if you have to be Libor+ then make sure Libor is low, also same as i said friday it suits me for fixings for low libors much like alot of banks as this time of month asset rolls are quiet. Did u see Citi London set the 3 months at 4.84 today. Really feels like Libors could blow out.”
“im fixing usd 2 3 months at 5.15 way above expectations but more reflects market and if i were to really reflect it id be at 5.20 !”
“at this point in time I'm very negative about the market and I'm trying to get across that to everybody in RBS that market conditions are going to worsen. . . So being that that is the only trade, I'm trying to get a point across that I'm setting my rates at 5.15 today because that reflects the interbank rate for me today, but my expectation is it's going to go higher.”
“They are asking the wrong bank!”
“GREEN: morning captain, if you’ve got nothing in it I need high 3s, 6s, 9s and 1 yr please. Got 1.6 bio 1yr today so thats probably the most important one out of em all. WALKER: im pretty neutral i will do my best! GREEN: cheers mate.”
“Thursday [23 October 2008 ] is a HUGE fixing for all NY banks as it's the mortgage date. People are going to get short the stub massively and will need to buy even more Dec Euros. Would suit all US banks to get libor as low as possible on Thursday. Just an fyi. We'd all appreciate it if you guys put your setting down too obviously but i'll leave you to decide where it should be”
“A: We are talking about market rates. So people use – people throw around the [word] “LIBOR” to cover the market, you know, and so he’s talking about LIBOR. To me, he’s talking about the rates. When we talk about Peter Nielsen, Peter Nielsen was talking about the rates I was paying and being even more competitive with my peer group. So using the word “LIBOR” doesn’t – you know, it doesn’t tell the full story. You are actually talking about where RBS’s position is in the funding markets, you know, which is driven by where we get in our funding, which is driven by where the interbank market and the passive market is for us.”
“50. In determining whether there has been an express representation, and to what effect, the court has to consider what a reasonable person would have understood from the words used in the context in which they were used. In determining what, if any, implied representation has been made, the court has to perform a similar task, except that it has to consider what a reasonable person would have inferred was being implicitly represented by the representor’s words and conduct in their context.”
“... I do accept that an implied representation was made to the effect that UBS did not know that the transaction opportunity which it was presenting was tainted as a result of the bribery of Mr Heininger or the conflict of interest to which Value Partners was subject. I shall refer to this as the “no knowledge of taint” representation. Although these are not the precise terms in which Depfa pleaded its case, they reflect the case put to the UBS witnesses and agreed by them, so there is no injustice to UBS in allowing the case to be put in this way.”
“When RBS were selling us the Swaps, and proposing that we enter into transactions that were based on LIBOR ... they were also representing that LIBOR was in fact what it was supposed to be – i.e. an interest rate that genuinely reflected the rate at which banks were able to borrow from each other – and that it was a true or proper or honest interest rate that had not been and was not capable of being manipulated by RBS or other banks for their own benefit.”
“... thought that LIBOR was just an alternative interest rate and that RBS had begun to prefer LIBOR to Base Rate, presumably due to the size of the borrowings that we had with them at the time. However, I understood what the acronym stood for (based on other banking documents that I had seen) and that LIBOR was supposed to be more of a commercial rate that was based on the rates at which banks actually lent to each other or believed that they could lend to each other. I was also aware that LIBOR was set at 11am each day.”
“When RBS were selling us the Swaps, and proposing that we enter into transactions that were based on LIBOR ... they were also representing (and I certainly understood them to be representing) that each of the Swaps would in fact be tied to LIBOR . . . and that LIBOR was what it was supposed to be - i.e. an interest rate that genuinely reflected the rate at which banks were able to borrow from each other or at which they believed that they could borrow from each other. I think it also goes without saying (and again, I certainly understood) that RBS was also representing that neither it nor any other bank had sought or would seek to manipulate LIBOR for their own benefit and that LIBOR had not previously been, and was not capable of being, manipulated by RBS or other banks.”
“In my judgment, the law in England and other common law jurisdictions can now be fairly stated to have settled at the point of the following propositions. (i) The potential beneficiary of a guarantee or indemnity, as distinct from a contract of insurance, has no general duty to disclose to the party about to give the guarantee or indemnity all facts material to that party’s decision whether to enter into that contract. (ii) Where, however, in the course of inviting or negotiating the guarantee or indemnity the beneficiary makes express or implied misrepresentations of material facts, the representee will be entitled to rely on the defence to a claim on the guarantee that he was thereby induced to enter into the contract. (iii) Where there is no express misrepresentation, the first question to ask is whether there has been any implied misrepresentation at all and, as with any other type of contract, the essential issue is whether in all the circumstances relating to the entering into of the contract of guarantee or indemnity, including in particular (a) the nature of the contract between the beneficiary and the principal debtor, (b) the conduct of the beneficiary and (c) express representations made by him to the surety, it has been impliedly represented to the surety that there exists some state of facts different from the truth. In evaluating the effect of the beneficiary’s conduct a helpful test is whether, having regard to the beneficiary’s conduct in such circumstances, a reasonable potential surety would naturally assume that the true state of facts did not exist and that, had it existed, he would in all the circumstances necessarily have been informed of it. (iv) If there has been such a misrepresentation, the next question is whether it induced the person giving the guarantee or indemnity to do so in the sense of its having at least materially influenced his decision, although it may not have been the sole cause of that decision (see Edgington v Fitzmaurice(1885) 29 Ch D 459 at 481, [1881–5] All ER Rep 856 at 860, per Cotton LJ).”
“in the context of the surrounding circumstances, it was concerned with an agreement which would continue into the future, in much the same sense as the conduct of SGL in approving the promotional material or of the Spice Girls in participating in the commercial shoot, in each case, for future use. In these two latter senses there was implicit in the representation derived from the conduct of SGL in circulating the draft agreement with the phrase “currently comprising” the representation for which AWS contends. It follows that, in that context, to say that the Spice Girls currently comprised the five named individuals without going on to say that one of them was going to leave within the period of the Agreement was false when made. What was omitted rendered that which was actually stated false or misleading in the context in which it was made: see Chitty on Contracts (1999, 28th ed.), Volume 1, paragraph 6– 016.”
“It is common ground between UBS and Depfa that when the transaction was first presented to Depfa, UBS informed it that the reason why an intermediary was required was because UBS’s internal credit lines were full, and that it was therefore unable to conclude the transaction directly with KWL itself. It follows, as is also common ground, that UBS impliedly represented that if it had had sufficient credit lines, it would have contracted with KWL directly. This was true. The need for intermediary banks arose from CRC’s unwillingness to accept full credit exposure to KWL on all four STCDOs and was the solution devised by UBS’s senior management to resolve that problem. Depfa contends, however, that it was implicit in what it was told about this by UBS, in the fact that UBS told Depfa that it had done due diligence on KWL, and in the fact that the transaction was presented to Depfa at all, that UBS was also impliedly making the further representations set out at [733] above. In essence, it says that if those matters had not represented UBS’s state of mind, it could not as a reputable bank have presented this transaction to Depfa, and that Depfa was therefore entitled to understand that these representations were being made to it.”
“As a matter of construction, it is hard to envisage any contract which would not reasonably be understood as requiring honesty in its performance. The same conclusion is reached if the traditional tests for the implication of a term are used. In particular the requirement that parties will behave honestly is so obvious that it goes without saying. Such a requirement is also necessary to give business efficacy to commercial transactions.”
“. . . the authorities seem to me to support the conclusion that it is very difficult to rebut the presumption. As it seems to me, the orthodox view is contained in Sharland v Sharland[2015] 3 WLR 1070 . In Smith v Kay (1859) 7 HLC 750, 759 Lord Chelmsford LC asked this question in a rescission case based on an allegation of fraudulent misrepresentation: “can it be permitted to a party who has practised a deception, with a view to a particular end, which has been attained by it, to speculate upon what might have been the result if there had been a full communication of the truth?”
“181. Counsel defending claims for misrepresentation habitually ask claimants what they would have done if they had been told the truth and judges use their answers (or the judge’s own conclusion on the question) to decide whether inducement has been established. Thus in Assicurazioni Clarke LJ allowed the appeal on the ground that it was: “open to the judge to hold that ARIG had not shown that, if it had known that Munich Re was participating only in section A, it would not have entered into the contracts or would have taken some other share.” 182. There is, however, authority that, at any rate where fraud is shown, the question — what would you have done if you had been told the truth? — is not the relevant (or possibly even a permitted) question: see Smith v Kay (1859) 7 HL Cas 750, page 759 (“Can it be permitted to a party who has procured a deception with a view to a particular end which has been attained by it to speculate on what might have been the result if there had been full communication of the facts?” — Lord Chelmsford); Re Imperial Mercantile Credit Association (1869) LR 9 Eq 225n, page 226n (“I do not think a Court of Equity is in the habit of considering that a falsehood is not to be looked at because, if the truth had been told, the same thing might have resulted”); Downs v Chappell[1997] 1 WLR 426 , page 433C (“The judge was wrong to ask how [the plaintiffs] would have acted if they had been told the Truth”) — Hobhouse LJ. 183. In my judgment the relevance of the question — what would you have done if you had been told the truth? — depends on the circumstances and on who is asking the question and for what purpose. 184. A claimant who gives credible evidence that, if he had been told the truth (there is no celebrity next door), he would not have entered into the contract is likely to establish that if the misrepresentation had not been made he would not have contracted and that it was thus an effective cause of his doing so, since such evidence is likely to establish both the importance to him of what he was told and its effect on his mind: see Assicurazioni; Dadourian Group International Inc v Simms[2006] EWHC 2973 (Ch) , para 546; and Parabola Investments Ltd v Browallia CAL Ltd[2009] EWHC 901 (Comm) , paras 104 to 107. In the latter case Flaux J observed that Hobhouse LJ’s dictum in Downs v Chappell did not mean that if the claimant demonstrated that he would not have acted as he did if he had known the true position (namely that the profits were not as stated), he could not have relied on that as evidence of inducement. In Dadourian Warren J described such a question as “strictly irrelevant although it may be of some assistance in testing whether there was inducement or not”. 185. Per contra, a claimant who says that even if he had been told the whole truth it would have made no difference to his readiness to enter into the contract will be likely to fail to establish that he was induced to enter into the contract by the misrepresentation in question. There is an inherent contradiction in someone saying that a representation was an inducing cause and accepting that, if the truth had been told, he would have contracted on the same terms anyway. 186. If, however, it is clear that, unless the representation had been made to him, the claimant would not have entered into the contract it is irrelevant to ask what would have happened if he had been told the truth. In those circumstances, the court will not speculate on what might have happened in that event: see Spencer Bower, op cit, para 122. In Downs v Chappell[1997] 1 WLR 426 the trial judge accepted Mr Downs’ evidence that he would not have contracted to buy the business if he had not received verification of certain profit figures which were fraudulently misrepresented to him. This conclusion was not surprising since an earlier set of figures had shown insufficient profits to persuade him to buy. So inducement had been established. That being so, it was not then material to consider what he would have done if he had been given the true profit figures — a situation which had never arisen and to which he would not have given thought (except in the context of the subsequent litigation). 187. It is not, therefore, necessary for the representee to establish that he would have acted differently if he had known the truth. And it may not be sufficient either. If it were, a claimant who gave no thought to any representation, or did not understand it to have been made, might be entitled to recover.” “open to the judge to hold that ARIG had not shown that, if it had known that Munich Re was participating only in section A, it would not have entered into the contracts or would have taken some other share.”
“It was not unheard of for a trader to express an opinion or preference one way or another in relation to BBA LIBOR. Moreover, it was often evident from discussions with traders what their respective positions were ...”
“Specifically, I would say no. I ... from my time working on the sterling desk, the cash LIBOR setter would take into account what he'd learned from the market, I guess via brokers. He'd take into account his fixings both on and off balance sheet on the day. He would also take into account the positions of close-by colleagues on the swaps desk”; and d) in addition he was asked: “Okay, let's start with your time at RBS. Were you aware of people other than the LIBOR submitters, the sterling submitter, attempting to influence the LIBOR submission?” and answered “No, not on the sterling side, no.”
“Well would you consider the reporting of fixes and positions an attempt to influence the LIBOR submission?” and answered, “You know, to me it looked like this ... the policy was that the LIBOR setter was gleaning the overall position, so how he used that, I'm not so sure. Um. They were responding to his inquiry.”
“REILLY: ... I just have one more question on this call. Urm, when Paul Walker says at that he is getting pressure to put them "up and up and up", at the time of this call would you consider it appropriate for Paul Walker to be getting pressured by anyone with respect to RBS' LIBOR submissions? [10 seconds of silence] CUMMINS: I don't think it would be appropriate for him to get pressured, but you are talking about a very difficult time for everyone, so I can understand why people would.”
“I would suggest that we continue to monitor this and keep the distribution to a minimum. I will include this in a separate note to the BoE tonight and cc you both. Our approach in the markets needs to be carefully orchestrated. I have asked Paul to begin moving our Libor settings higher - top quartile. . . .”
“MEANEY: ... it looks to be another example of you using LIBOR settings or LIBOR submissions as a tool to support another sort of strategy you’re running within the bank, erm, which is inconsistent I guess with LIBOR -- the BBA LIBOR definition and submission process which should simply reflect what, you know, the rate at which on a particular day you can borrow money in the inter-bank market.” top quartile. . . .”
“…To come back to the concept of being 19 to 26 basis points away from the correct rate [i.e. Dr Cartea’s hypothesis], I was funding the bank in the unsecured wholesale market. That was my role and that was my primary objective, particularly during this time. If RBS was submitting rates that were that far away from the market we wouldn’t have been able to fund ourselves. And there’s just no incentive for me to have been submitting RBS’s LIBOR rates at levels that were anything other than where I would actually do the funding of that book. That was my primary objective.”
“A: It was different in construction in terms of the distribution of panel banks was wider, the market was less liquid, there were less trades on which to base one’s perception of their own borrowing costs, and reasonable market size has reduced. There were also dislocations in other markets that created a spectrum of different prices through FX arbitrage and the scarcity of USD in other markets, as in not in the US market, but in Asia and in London.”
“... the rates submitted into the process are a bank's own view of its cost of funds, based on the totality of the information available to a bank from both internal and external sources.”
“One of the implications of tiering is that LIBOR fixings became a poorer predictor of the rate at which a particular bank might be able to borrow. For example, a less creditworthy bank might only be able to borrow at substantially above the LIBOR fixing, whilst a more creditworthy bank might be able to borrow at substantially below.”
“Q: Now, Mr Thomasson, that is a pretty clear observation about what has happened to the London Interbank Offered Rate at this time, isn’t it?”
“A: “Broken” being perhaps a term I had taken I think from other commentary that had been in the press, but it wasn’t operating in the way that it had previously operated in terms of its liquidity. It didn’t mean it wasn’t operating at all. Q: “Broken” is something stronger than that, isn’t it? “Broken” implies that the interbank market has broken down completely, just not functioning; that is right, isn’t it? A: No, I think you are adding words, saying broken down completely. I’m saying it’s broken; it’s not as efficient as it was. Q: That means that it’s not actually generating the benchmark that it was meant to generate; that is right, isn’t it? A: No, it was still generating the same benchmark made up in the same way. It was just more difficult to do it in the difficult market we were operating in.”
“A: Not in its actual purpose as the benchmark of this panel of banks, but in some of the comparisons to where individual banks could fund themselves it was less meaning in that respect. Q: It was more than that. It had ceased to be a reliable barometer of the rate at which banks were lending to each other on the London interbank market? A: It was a case of banks trading both above and below what was an average benchmark rate, so it was still effectively that average rate, just that there was a much broader range of contributions to it.”
“A: No, I don’t agree. The BBA LIBOR rate as is set out is a benchmark of those panel banks who contribute to it. So it did reflect what it was supposed to reflect.”
“It was broken in respect that in 2005 it reflected all 16 banks within a basis point. In the crisis, the spread – the peak of the crisis, that spread between the contributing banks was 150 points for purely technical reasons. So BBA LIBOR as a benchmark for all those banks. It didn’t tell you that, it didn’t tell you that the 16 banks have actually 150 basis points between them. So it’s broken trying to benchmark yourself against the BBA. You might be a long way below it or you might be a long way above it, so that’s the reason it was broken. It still formulated the same way and still gave you the right rate. It just got to it with a lot wider input than it had ever before.”
“FYI – Best not to forward this on ... just verbally update the troops please if you feel the info is useful,”
“(1) In certain circumstances a court may be entitled to draw adverse inferences from the absence or silence of a witness who might be expected to have material evidence to give on an issue in an action. (2) If a court is willing to draw such inferences, they may go to strengthen the evidence adduced on that issue by the other party or to weaken the evidence, if any, adduced by the party who might reasonably have been expected to call the witness. (3) There must, however, have been some evidence, however weak, adduced by the former on the matter in question before the court is entitled to draw the desired inference: in other words, there must be a case to answer on that issue. (4) If the reason for the witness's absence or silence satisfies the court, then no such adverse inference may be drawn. If, on the other hand, there is some credible explanation given, even if it is not wholly satisfactory, the potentially detrimental effect of his/her absence or silence may be reduced or nullified.”
“The rule is less easy to apply in respect of implied rather than express statements because the representor may not appreciate what a court later holds to be the implications of what he said. Nevertheless if he intended what he said to be relied on by the representee in deciding whether to contract he must be taken to have intended that the representee should rely on the objective meaning of what he said.”
“shall not be liable for any loss resulting from any act or omission made under or in relation to or in connection with these Terms or the solvency, acts or omissions of any third party with whom we deal or transact business or who is appointed by us in good faith. . . .” appointed by us in good faith. . . .”
“We are not in a position to invest cash equity up front in the Towers as you acknowledge; we are working on capital raising to enable us to co-invest with Moorfield in future transactions.”
“our joint venture partners and funders were struggling to finance the last piece of the construction costs which with Yotel complicated fit out took the final costs out by£1.2m , the yeild went up in Jan and our Jv was tight, in my e-mail last month I confirmed Toyoko hotels are confirmed and Sir Howard confirmed an urgent meeting with their Japanese president who is personally flying in, they want us on site asap, its fully funded in cash by them, we are 100% on board David, ...”
“.. Not for obvious reasons Andy, I object to that! And we agreed to draw a line under the past with the share transfers etc, ...”