“(2) For the purposes of this Act uses and operations are lawful at any time if— (a) no enforcement action may then be taken in respect of them (whether because they did not involve development or require planning permission or because the time for enforcement action has expired or for any other reason); and (b) they do not constitute a contravention of any of the requirements of any enforcement notice then in force” 15). S191(4) provides as follows: “(4) If, on an application under this section, the local planning authority are provided with information satisfying them of the lawfulness at the time of the application of the use, operations or other matter described in the application, or that description as modified by the local planning authority or a description substituted by them, they shall issue a certificate to that effect; and in any other case they shall refuse the application” 16). At first blush the statutory provisions are not a promising start for the Claimant. I indicated to Mr Whale at the outset of the hearing that I was in difficulties with understanding how - in the light of section 191(2)(b) in particular – the challenge could get off the ground in circumstances where: a) Section 191(2) includes two criteria – paragraphs (a) and (b) – both of which need to be satisfied (a point the Inspector noted expressly at DL6), b) Having regard to the criteria in paragraph (b) there was undeniably an enforcement notice which bore directly on the activities which were the subject of the Application, c) In those circumstances it was difficult to see how paragraph (b) could ever be satisfied, and d) If the above were correct then the appeal before the Inspector was doomed to fail from the outset, and hence none of the four grounds of challenge now advanced could bring about a different outcome even if they were accepted 17). In introducing his oral submissions to me, Mr Whale’s short answer was that, when section 191(2)(b) referred to development contravening the requirements of any enforcement notice “then in force”, the “then” meant the point in time at which immunity from enforcement action became available (per section 191(2)(a)) and not the point in time at which the Application were submitted. 18). In testing this proposition with Mr Whale, he accepted that the challenge would stand or fall by whether his interpretation of “then in force” were correct. 19). Both Counsel referred me to the case of R (Ocado Retail Limited) v Islington London Borough Council[2021] PTSR 1833 , a judgment of Holgate J (as he then was). Both of them claimed that the decision supported their case. 20). Ocado concerned a challenge to the decision of Islington Council to revoke a Lawful Development Certificate that had been granted to the retailer. Much of the case therefore considered the provisions of section 193 of the 1990 Act, which do not arise here, but there was also consideration of section 191(2) in the context of when immunity from enforcement action arose. 21). For the Claimant, Mr Whale relied in part on [143] of the judgment which includes the following passage: “s.191(1) does not define lawfulness. That is left to s.191(2) and (3) where it is crucial to note that a use, operation or breach is declared to be lawful "at any time" and not simply by reference to the date when an application for a CLEUD happens to be made” 22). In relation to the question of when lawfulness has to be judged, for the Secretary of State Mr Jonathan Welch referred me to the following passage in [152] of Ocado, emphasising in particular the extract that I have underlined: “The judge in Ellis stated at [54] that Nicholson had been approved in Swale [2006] J.P.L 886 at [6]. But in my judgment it is important to note that all that Keene LJ said in that passage was that the issue of whether enforcement action can be taken against a breach of planning control, in that case a change of use, is to be judged as at the date of the application for the CLEUD. In other words, the question of lawfulness is to be judged as at that date (see s.191(2) to (4))”. 23). That reference to Swale is to the decision of the Court of Appeal in Swale Borough Council v First Secretary of State [2006] JPL 886. At [6] of Swale, Keene LJ (who gave the leading judgment) said as follows: “6. Section 191(2) tells one what is meant by a lawful use. It provides: “For the purposes of this Act uses and operations are lawful at any time if — (a) no enforcement action may then be taken in respect of them (whether because they did not involve development or require planning permission or because the time for enforcement action has expired or for any other reason); and (b) they do not constitute a contravention of any of the requirements of any enforcement notice then in force.”