“I need to tell you something about [DNL] but I don’t want you to tell me off.”
“He put it in my bum”
“Why doesn’t mine do the same as yours and the defendants?”
“Cos [DNL] did something wrong”
“A. He put his, he put his privates in my bum. Q. Okay. A. And that’s all. Q. Okay. And how did that make you feel? A. Sad. Q. Sad, okay. And, and if, it’s okay if you don’t know, but do you know how many times that happened? A. I think about five times. Q. Five time, okay. Were they on different days or the same day? A. I think … it was on the same days cos it’s the same days when I go to Grandma’s. … Q. Where were you when these bad things happened? A. At Grandma’s house.”
“Did it hurt?” and the defendant “got annoyed,” then “just started doing it then”
“Each time, how did it stop?” he answered: “When my Grandma shouted me down at dinner”, adding that this was for dinner. When asked how long DNL did the ‘bad thing’ for, the complainant said: “About five minutes”
“What would you and [DNL] be doing before these bad things happened?”
“He did but I can’t remember what he done, he did do something else but I can’t remember what he done”
“It was the same position”
“Q: Did [DNL] ever take your clothes off? A: Only trousers from school does that. … Q: Did [DNL] ever put his willy in your bum? A:Yeah Q:‘Did [DNL] just touch your bum with his willy, or did he put his willy inside your bum? A: Inside. Q. Did [DNL] ever tell you not to tell your grandma about that? A. Yeah he told me not to tell anyone about it but I told my Mum straight away when he did it but he started doing it again, Grandma and mum not to do it. Q: Did [DNL] put his willy in your bum, once or more than once? A: He did it a lot of times, I don’t know how many times but it was a lot, he used to do it every time at Grandma’s house. … Q: Did [DNL] put his willy in your bum on one day or on different days? A: Does it lot of a day every time I go there. Q: [DNL] says that he has never put his willy in your bum. Is [DNL] telling the truth or is [DNL] telling a lie? A. A lie. Q. [DNL] says he has never touched your bum. Is [DNL] telling the truth or is [DNL] telling a lie? A. A lie. Q. Have you made these things up about [DNL]? A. No. Q. Have you made these things up to get [DNL] into trouble? A. No, he’s done it in real life no-one has told me to say this about [DNL].”
“Mother: What did he ask you to do”
“If there is no evidence that the crime alleged has been committed by the defendant there is no difficulty – the judge will stop the case.”
“(1) If there is no evidence that the crime alleged has been committed by the defendant, there is no difficulty. The judge will of course stop the case. (2) The difficulty arises where there is some evidence but it is of a tenuous character, for example because of inherent weakness or vagueness or because it is inconsistent with other evidence. (a) Where the judge comes to the conclusion that the prosecution evidence, taken at its highest, is such that a jury properly directed could not properly convict upon it, it is his duty, upon a submission being made, to stop the case. (b) Where however the prosecution evidence is such that its strength or weakness depends on the view to be taken of a witness's reliability, or other matters which are generally speaking within the province of the jury and where on one possible view of the facts there is evidence upon which a jury could properly come to the conclusion that the defendant is guilty, then the judge should allow the matter to be tried by the jury.”
“Did [DNL] just touch your bum with his willy or did he put his willy inside your bum?” in answer to which the complainant replied: “Inside”