"the overarching objective of the General Council in exercising their functions is the protection of the public"
“32. In short, the purpose of FTP proceedings is not to punish the practitioner for past misdoings but to protect the public against the acts and omissions of those who are not fit to practise. The FPP thus looks forward not back. However, in order to form a view as to the fitness of a person to practise today, it is evident that it will have to take account of the way in which the person concerned has acted or failed to act in the past.”
“S.40 Appeals (1) The following decisions are appealable decisions for the purposes of this section, that is to say— (a) a decision of a Medical Practitioners Tribunal under section 35D above giving a direction for erasure, for suspension or for conditional registration or varying the conditions imposed by a direction for conditional registration; … (4) A person in respect of whom an appealable decision falling within subsection (1) has been taken may, before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which notification of the decision was served under section 35E(1) above, or section 41(10) ... below, appeal against the decision to the relevant court. (4A) A person in respect of whom an appealable decision falling within subsection (1A) has been taken may, before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which notification of the decision was served, appeal against the decision to the relevant court. … (5) … “the relevant court” (c) means the High Court of Justice in England and Wales. (7) On an appeal under this section from a Medical Practitioners Tribunal, the court may— (a) dismiss the appeal; (b) allow the appeal and quash the direction or variation appealed against; (c) substitute for the direction or variation appealed against any other direction or variation which could have been given or made by a Medical Practitioners Tribunal; or (d) remit the case to the MPTS for them to arrange for a Medical Practitioners Tribunal to dispose of the case in accordance with the directions of the court, and may make such order as to costs … as it thinks fit.” (1) The following decisions are appealable decisions for the purposes of this section, that is to say— (a) a decision of a Medical Practitioners Tribunal under section 35D above giving a direction for erasure, for suspension or for conditional registration or varying the conditions imposed by a direction for conditional registration; … (4) A person in respect of whom an appealable decision falling within subsection (1) has been taken may, before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which notification of the decision was served under section 35E(1) above, or section 41(10) ... below, appeal against the decision to the relevant court. (4A) A person in respect of whom an appealable decision falling within subsection (1A) has been taken may, before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which notification of the decision was served, appeal against the decision to the relevant court. … (5) … “the relevant court” (c) means the High Court of Justice in England and Wales. (7) On an appeal under this section from a Medical Practitioners Tribunal, the court may— (a) dismiss the appeal; (b) allow the appeal and quash the direction or variation appealed against; (c) substitute for the direction or variation appealed against any other direction or variation which could have been given or made by a Medical Practitioners Tribunal; or (d) remit the case to the MPTS for them to arrange for a Medical Practitioners Tribunal to dispose of the case in accordance with the directions of the court, and may make such order as to costs … as it thinks fit.”
“(2) Every appeal to which this paragraph applies must be supported by written evidence and, if the court so orders, oral evidence and will be by way of re-hearing.”
“(5) The extent of the duty to give reasons 23. In relation to the duty to give reasons, I have been referred to a number of authorities, including in particular Selvanathan v GMC [2000] 10 WLUK 307; English v Emery Reimbold & Strick[2002] 1 WLR 2409 ; Gupta, supra, at §14; Phipps v GMC[2006] EWCA Civ 397 at §106; Muscat, supra at §108; Mubarak, supra , at §§9-12, 35-36; Southall, supra , at §§50-55, 56 and 59 and O v Secretary of State for Education, supra , at §§59 -63. 24. In the present case Rule 17(2)(j) of the Rules requires the Tribunal to give reasons for its findings of fact. In considering the extent and content of the duty to give reasons, the current leading authority is Southall, citing in detail the earlier cases of Selvanathan, Gupta, Phipps (in turn referring to English v Emery Reimbold & Strick). At §54, Leveson LJ (citing Phipps) confirmed that the purpose of such a duty to give reasons is to enable the losing party to know why he has lost and to allow him to consider whether to appeal. It will be satisfied if, having regard to the issues and the nature and content of the evidence, the reasons for the decision are plain, either because they are set out in terms or because they can be readily inferred from the overall form and content of the decision. It is not necessary for them to be expressly stated, when they are otherwise plain or obvious. Leveson LJ then continued as follows: "55. For my part, I have no difficulty in concluding that, in straightforward cases, setting out the facts to be proved (as is the present practice of the GMC) and finding them proved or not proved will generally be sufficient both to demonstrate to the parties why they won or lost and to explain to any appellate Tribunal the facts found. In most cases, particularly those concerned with comparatively simple conflicts of factual evidence, it will be obvious whose evidence has been rejected and why. In that regard, I echo and respectfully endorse the observations of Sir Mark Potter [in Phipps]. 56. When, however, the case is not straightforward and can properly be described as exceptional, the position is and will be different. Thus, although it is said that this case is no more than a simple issue of fact (namely, did Dr Southall use the words set out in the charge?), the true picture is far more complex. … I am not suggesting that a lengthy judgment was required but, in the circumstances of this case, a few sentences dealing with the salient issues was essential: this was an exceptional case and, I have no doubt, perceived to be so by the GMC, Dr Southall and the panel. … 59. Further, once providing some reasons, in my judgment, the panel did have to say something about Dr Southall who gave evidence on this topic for some days. If (as must have been the case) they disbelieved him, in the context of this case and his defence, he was entitled to know why even if only by reference to his demeanour, his attitude or his approach to specific questions. In relation to Ms Salem, the position was worse: to say that the panel "did not find her evidence to be wholly convincing" is not good enough. … That is nothing to do with not being wholly convincing: it is about honesty and integrity and if the panel were impugning her in these regards, it should have said so.” 25. As made clear at §56, the factual issue in Southall was not "a simple issue of fact" of whether the doctor did or did not use particular words; rather it was particularly complex. §56 of Southall is not authority for the proposition that specific reasons for disbelieving a practitioner are required in every case where his defence is rejected. The references to "the circumstances of this case" and "in the context of this case and his defence" in §§56 and 59 imply that there will be cases where such reasons will not be required. Reasons and credibility 26. As regards reasons concerning the credibility of witnesses (1) Where there is a dispute of fact involving a choice as to the credibility of competing accounts of two witnesses, the adequacy of reasons given will vary. In English v Emery, Lord Phillips stated that "it may be enough to say that one witness was preferred to another, because the one manifestly had a clearer recollection of the material facts or the other give answers which demonstrated that his recollection could not be relied upon ". On the other hand, Southall at §55, and Gupta at §13 and 14 suggest that even such limited reasons are not necessarily required in every case. (2) Secondly, whilst Mr Mant accepted that it is a common practice in Tribunal decisions on fact, there is no requirement for the disciplinary body to make, at the outset of its determination, a general comparative assessment of the credibility of the principal witnesses. Indeed such a practice, undertaken without reference to the specific allegations, has been the subject of recent criticism in Dutta at §42 and Khan at §§106 and 107. In my judgment, consideration of credibility by reference to the specific allegations made is an approach which is, at least, equally appropriate. 27. Finally, an appeal court will not allow an appeal on grounds of inadequacy of reasons, unless, even with the benefit of knowledge of the evidence and submissions made below, it is not possible for the appeal court to understand why the judge below had reached the decision it did reach. It is appropriate for the appeal court to look at the underlying material before the judge to seek to understand the judge's reasoning and to "identify reasons for the judge's conclusions which cogently justify" the judge's decision, even if the judge did not himself clearly identify all those reasons: see English v Emery Reimbold §§89 and 118.”
“17. The first of these strands may be gleaned from the Privy Council decision in Gupta v General Medical Council[2002] 1 WLR 1691 , para 21, in the judgment of their Lordships delivered by Lord Rodger of Earlsferry: “It has frequently been observed that, where professional discipline is at stake, the relevant committee is not concerned exclusively, or even primarily, with the punishment of the practitioner concerned. Their Lordships refer, for instance, to the judgment of Sir Thomas Bingham MR in Bolton v Law Society[1994] 1 WLR 512 , 517—519 where his Lordship set out the general approach that has to be adapted. In particular he pointed out that, since the professional body is not primarily concerned with matters of punishment, considerations which would normally weigh in mitigation of punishment have less effect on the exercise of this kind of jurisdiction. And he observed that it can never be an objection to an order for suspension that the practitioner may be unable to re-establish his practice when the period has passed. That consequence may be deeply unfortunate for the individual concerned but it does not make the order for suspension wrong if it is otherwise right. Sir Thomas Bingham MR concluded, at p 519: “The reputation of the profession is more important than the fortunes of any individual member. Membership of a profession brings many benefits, but that is a part of the price.”
“28. . . . In the Appellant’s case the effect of the committee’s order is that his erasure is for life. But it has been said many times that the Professional Conduct Committee is the body which is best equipped to determine questions as to the sanction that should be imposed in the public interest for serious professional misconduct. This is because the assessment of the seriousness of the misconduct is essentially a matter for the committee in the light of its experience. It is the body which is best qualified to judge what measures are required to maintain the standards and reputation of the profession. “29. That is not to say that their Lordships may not intervene if there are good grounds for doing so. But in this case their lordships are satisfied that there are no such grounds. This was a case of such a grave nature that a finding that the Appellant was unfit to practise was inevitable. The committee was entitled to give greater weight to the public interest and to the need to maintain public confidence in the profession than to the consequences to the Appellant of the imposition of the penalty. Their Lordships are quite unable to say that the sanction of erasure which the committee decided to impose in this case, while undoubtedly severe, was wrong or unjustified.” 19. There is, I should note, no tension between this approach and the human rights jurisprudence. That is because of what was said by Lord Hoffmann giving the judgment of the Board in Bijl v General Medical Council[2002] Lloyd’s Rep Med 60 , paras 2 and 3, which with great respect I need not set out. As it seems to me the fact that a principal purpose of the panel’s jurisdiction in relation to sanctions is the preservation and maintenance of public confidence in the profession rather than the administration of retributive justice, particular force is given to the need to accord special respect to the judgment of the professional decision-making body in the shape of the panel. That I think is reflected in the last citation I need give. It consists in Lord Millett’s observations in Ghosh v General Medical Council[2001] 1 WLR 1915 , 1923, para 34: “the Board will afford an appropriate measure of respect to the judgment of the committee whether the practitioner’s failings amount to serious professional misconduct and on the measures necessary to maintain professional standards and provide adequate protection to the public. But the Board will not defer to the committee’s judgment more than is warranted by the circumstances.” 20. These strands in the learning then, as it seems to me, constitute the essential approach to be applied by the High Court on a section 40 appeal. The approach they commend does not emasculate the High Court’s role in section 40 appeals: the High Court will correct material errors of fact and of course of law and it will exercise a judgment, though distinctly and firmly a secondary judgment, as to the application of the principles to the facts of the case.” “It has frequently been observed that, where professional discipline is at stake, the relevant committee is not concerned exclusively, or even primarily, with the punishment of the practitioner concerned. Their Lordships refer, for instance, to the judgment of Sir Thomas Bingham MR in Bolton v Law Society[1994] 1 WLR 512 , 517—519 where his Lordship set out the general approach that has to be adapted. In particular he pointed out that, since the professional body is not primarily concerned with matters of punishment, considerations which would normally weigh in mitigation of punishment have less effect on the exercise of this kind of jurisdiction. And he observed that it can never be an objection to an order for suspension that the practitioner may be unable to re-establish his practice when the period has passed. That consequence may be deeply unfortunate for the individual concerned but it does not make the order for suspension wrong if it is otherwise right. Sir Thomas Bingham MR concluded, at p 519: “The reputation of the profession is more important than the fortunes of any individual member. Membership of a profession brings many benefits, but that is a part of the price.”
“The correct approach to appeals under section 40A 39. As a preliminary matter, the GMC invites us to adopt the approach adopted to appeals under section 40 of the 1983 Act, to appeals under section 40A of the 1983 Act, and we consider it is right to do so. It follows that the well-settled principles developed in relation to section 40 appeals (in cases including: Meadow v General Medical Council[2006] EWCA Civ. 1390 ;[2007] QB 462 ; Fatnani and Raschid v General Medical Council[2007] EWCA Civ. 46 ;[2007] 1 WLR 1460 ; and Southall v General Medical Council[2010] EWCA Civ. 407 ;[2010] 2 FLR 1550 ) as appropriately modified, can be applied to section 40A appeals. 40. In summary: i) Proceedings under section 40A of the 1983 Act are appeals and are governed byCPR Part 52 . A court will allow an appeal underCPR Part 52.21 (3) if it is ‘wrong’ or ‘unjust because of a serious procedural or other irregularity in the proceedings in the lower court’. ii) It is not appropriate to add any qualification to the test inCPR Part 52 that decisions are ‘clearly wrong’: see Fatnani at paragraph 21 and Meadow at paragraphs 125 to 128. iii) The court will correct material errors of fact and of law: see Fatnani at paragraph 20. Any appeal court must however be extremely cautious about upsetting a conclusion of primary fact, particularly where the findings depend upon the assessment of the credibility of the witnesses, who the Tribunal, unlike the appellate court, has had the advantage of seeing and hearing (see Assicurazioni Generali SpA v Arab Insurance Group (Practice Note)[2002] EWCA Civ 1642 ;[2003] 1 WLR 577 , at paragraphs 15 to 17, cited with approval in Datec Electronics Holdings Ltd v United Parcels Service Ltd[2007] UKHL 23 ,[2007] 1 WLR 1325 at paragraph 46, and Southall at paragraph 47). iv) When the question is what inferences are to be drawn from specific facts, an appellate court is under less of a disadvantage. The court may draw any inferences of fact which it considers are justified on the evidence: seeCPR Part 52.11 (4). v) In regulatory proceedings the appellate court will not have the professional expertise of the Tribunal of fact. As a consequence, the appellate court will approach Tribunal determinations about whether conduct is serious misconduct or impairs a person’s fitness to practise, and what is necessary to maintain public confidence and proper standards in the profession and sanctions, with diffidence: see Fatnani at paragraph 16; and Khan v General Pharmaceutical Council[2016] UKSC 64 ;[2017] 1 WLR 169 , at paragraph 36. vi) However there may be matters, such as dishonesty or sexual misconduct, where the court “is likely to feel that it can assess what is needed to protect the public or maintain the reputation of the profession more easily for itself and thus attach less weight to the expertise of the Tribunal …”: see Council for the Regulation of Healthcare Professionals v GMC and Southall[2005] EWHC 579 (Admin) ; [2005] Lloyd’s Rep. Med 365 at paragraph 11, and Khan at paragraph 36(c). As Lord Millett observed in Ghosh v GMC[2001] UKPC 29 ;[2001] 1 WLR 1915 and 1923G, the appellate court “will afford an appropriate measure of respect of the judgment in the committee … but the [appellate court] will not defer to the committee’s judgment more than is warranted by the circumstances”. vii) Matters of mitigation are likely to be of considerably less significance in regulatory proceedings than to a court imposing retributive justice, because the overarching concern of the professional regulator is the protection of the public. viii) A failure to provide adequate reasons may constitute a serious procedural irregularity which renders the Tribunal’s decision unjust (see Southall at paragraphs 55 to 56).”
“39. The parties were broadly agreed upon the relevant law in the light of the recent Supreme Court decisions of Henderson v Foxworth Investments Ltd[2014] UKSC 41 ;[2014] 1 WLR 2600 and McGraddie v McGraddie[2013] UKSC 58 ;[2013] 1 WLR 2477 the latter of which cited with approval Hamilton v Allied Domecq Plc[2006] SC 221 , para 85. In the latter case it was said:- “If findings of fact are unsupported by the evidence and are critical to the decision of the case, it may be incumbent on the appellate court to reverse the decision made at first instance.”
“… When discretion of this kind is granted the law recognizes certain principles upon which that discretion must be exercised, but within the four corners of those principles the discretion, in my opinion, is an absolute one and cannot be questioned in any court of law. What then are those principles? They are well understood. They are principles which the court looks to in considering any question of discretion of this kind. The exercise of such a discretion must be a real exercise of the discretion. If, in the statute conferring the discretion, there is to be found expressly or by implication matters which the authority exercising the discretion ought to have regard to, then in exercising the discretion it must have regard to those matters. Conversely, if the nature of the subject matter and the general interpretation of the Act make it clear that certain matters would not be germane to the matter in question, the authority must disregard those irrelevant collateral matters. There have been in the cases expressions used relating to the sort of things that authorities must not do, not merely in cases under the Cinematograph Act but, generally speaking, under other cases where the powers of local authorities came to be considered. I am not sure myself whether the permissible grounds of attack cannot be defined under a single head. It has been perhaps a little bit confusing to find a series of grounds set out. Bad faith, dishonesty — those of course, stand by themselves — unreasonableness, attention given to extraneous circumstances, disregard of public policy and things like that have all been referred to, according to the facts of individual cases, as being matters which are relevant to the question. If they cannot all be confined under one head, they at any rate, I think, overlap to a very great extent. For instance, we have heard in this case a great deal about the meaning of the word “unreasonable.”
“10. The decisions in Ghosh and Preiss are a reminder of the scope of the jurisdiction of this Board in appeals from professional conduct committees. They do indeed emphasise that the Board's role is truly appellate, but they also draw attention to the obvious fact that the appeals are conducted on the basis of the transcript of the hearing and that, unless exceptionally, witnesses are not recalled. In this respect these appeals are similar to many other appeals in both civil and criminal cases from a judge, jury or other body who has seen and heard the witnesses. In all such cases the appeal court readily acknowledges that the first instance body enjoys an advantage which the appeal court does not have, precisely because that body is in a better position to judge the credibility and reliability of the evidence given by the witnesses. In some appeals that advantage may not be significant since the witnesses' credibility and reliability are not in issue. But in many cases the advantage is very significant and the appeal court recognises that it should accordingly be slow to interfere with the decisions on matters of fact taken by the first instance body. This reluctance to interfere is not due to any lack of jurisdiction to do so. Rather, in exercising its full jurisdiction, the appeal court acknowledges that, if the first instance body has observed the witnesses and weighed their evidence, its decision on such matters is more likely to be correct than any decision of a court which cannot deploy those factors when assessing the position. In considering appeals on matters of fact from the various professional conduct committees, the Board must inevitably follow the same general approach. Which means that, where acute issues arise as to the credibility or reliability of the evidence given before such a committee, the Board, duly exercising its appellate function, will tend to be unable properly to differ from the decisions as to fact reached by the committee except in the kinds of situation described by Lord Thankerton in the well known passage in Watt orThomas v Thomas[1947] AC 484 , 487–488.”
“the test for deciding whether a finding of fact is against the evidence is whether that finding exceeds the generous ambit within which reasonable disagreement about the conclusions to be drawn from the evidence is possible.”
“iii) he demonstrably failed to consider, or misunderstood, relevant evidence, and iv) his decision … cannot reasonably be explained or justified.”
“It does not matter, with whatever degree of certainty, that the appellate court considers that it would have reached a different conclusion. What matters is whether the decision under appeal is one that no reasonable judge could have reached.” 50. In the McGraddie case Lord Reed said this, at paras 3-4: “3. The reasons justifying that approach are not limited to the fact, emphasised in Clarke’s case and Thomas v Thomas, that the trial judge is in a privileged position to assess the credibility of witnesses’ evidence. Other relevant considerations were explained by the United States Supreme Court in Anderson v City of Bessemer (1985) 470 US 564 (1985), 574-575: ‘The rationale for deference to the original finder of fact is not limited to the superiority of the trial judge’s position to make determinations of credibility. The trial judge’s major role is the determination of fact, and with experience in fulfilling that role comes expertise. Duplication of the trial judge’s efforts in the court of appeals would very likely contribute only negligibly to the accuracy of fact determination at a huge cost in diversion of judicial resources. In addition, the parties to a case on appeal have already been forced to concentrate their energies and resources on persuading the trial judge that their account of the facts is the correct one: requiring them to persuade three more judges at the appellate level is requiring too much. As the court has stated in a different context, the trial on the merits should be ‘the ‘main event’ … rather than a ‘try out on the road’.’ … For these reasons, review of factual findings under the clearly erroneous standard - with its deference to the trier of fact - is the rule, not the exception.’”
‘The trial judge has sat through the entire case and his ultimate judgment reflects this total familiarity with the evidence. The insight gained by the trial judge who has lived with the case for several days, weeks or even months may be far deeper than that of the Court of Appeal whose view of the case is much more limited and narrow, often being shaped and distorted by the various orders or rulings being challenged.’ … 52. The question in the present case is not whether the Court of Appeal misstated those constraints. They may be summarised as requiring a conclusion either that there was no evidence to support a challenged finding of fact, or that the trial judge’s finding was one that no reasonable judge could have reached.Rather, the question is whether the Court of Appeal were correct in concluding, as they did, that there were errors in the judge’s factual determination which satisfied those very stringent requirements.” (My emboldening). “iii) he demonstrably failed to consider, or misunderstood, relevant evidence, and iv) his decision … cannot reasonably be explained or justified.” “It does not matter, with whatever degree of certainty, that the appellate court considers that it would have reached a different conclusion. What matters is whether the decision under appeal is one that no reasonable judge could have reached.” “3. The reasons justifying that approach are not limited to the fact, emphasised in Clarke’s case and Thomas v Thomas, that the trial judge is in a privileged position to assess the credibility of witnesses’ evidence. Other relevant considerations were explained by the United States Supreme Court in Anderson v City of Bessemer (1985) 470 US 564 (1985), 574-575: ‘The rationale for deference to the original finder of fact is not limited to the superiority of the trial judge’s position to make determinations of credibility. The trial judge’s major role is the determination of fact, and with experience in fulfilling that role comes expertise. Duplication of the trial judge’s efforts in the court of appeals would very likely contribute only negligibly to the accuracy of fact determination at a huge cost in diversion of judicial resources. In addition, the parties to a case on appeal have already been forced to concentrate their energies and resources on persuading the trial judge that their account of the facts is the correct one: requiring them to persuade three more judges at the appellate level is requiring too much. As the court has stated in a different context, the trial on the merits should be ‘the ‘main event’ … rather than a ‘try out on the road’.’ … For these reasons, review of factual findings under the clearly erroneous standard - with its deference to the trier of fact - is the rule, not the exception.’” “4. Furthermore, as was stated in observations adopted by the majority of the Canadian Supreme Court in Housen v Nikolaisen[2002] 2 SCR 235 , para 14: ‘The trial judge has sat through the entire case and his ultimate judgment reflects this total familiarity with the evidence. The insight gained by the trial judge who has lived with the case for several days, weeks or even months may be far deeper than that of the Court of Appeal whose view of the case is much more limited and narrow, often being shaped and distorted by the various orders or rulings being challenged.’
“Read Code Psor as s Comment H story patient says omeprazo/e working for here had bot ptrocedures OGD and co/onoscopy sayus in the week she found out that she will loose her job an was quite depressed almost suicidal still clo mild discomfort in her tummy initially in teh week not eating well but this has picked up Comment Exam naton good rapport Michelle present as chaperone: psoraisis plaques on chest back and hands scalp tendet intercostal musc/esof chest left trapezium Comment D agnos s gastritis Psoriasis Comment Plan patint to continue medication for gastris a s p fanned as/o use of emo/ieants to help reduce psoriasis skin flare up advioed gentle streteches fro muscular pain and massage paracetamol if needed”
“18.03.2020 telephone Retrospective entry. Call to patient - agreed home visit. Dr Roach 25.06.2020 18.03.2020 home visit Retrospective entry. History: suicidal thoughts/ mental health concerns and back pain. Discussion financial concerns (rent and bills) and their effect on her, job security concerns - having to train up a new employee/ impending job loss / application for new jobs. Assessment mental state –well kempt, good eye contact and rapport. Appeared to be coping well. No indication of self harm or suicidal intent. Discussed upper back and chest pains from the morning consultation - no improvement. Plan: Reassured. Advised use of deep heat or ibuprofen gel to help with pain relief. Informed patient - call the next day to check up on mental health. Dr Roach 25.06.2020 19.03.2020 telephone Retrospective entry. Patient coping and going about daily routine. No concern re worsening mental health. Safety net advice given - contact the surgery. Dr Roach 25.06.2020”
“Q --- after you’d learned that you were to be made redundant? Did you tell the person that you spoke to through that counselling service that you were suicidal? A Yes. Q Would that be around 10, 12,13 March 2020 ? A I’ve no idea of the dates. Q What was said by the counsellor about, well, do you need support or should you contact your GP or anything like that? A No, I can’t remember. Q You can’t remember? A Mmm. Q Did you take some tablets? A I didn’t take any, I had them there, wanting to take them but I can’t even swallow a tablet. So, you know, I wanted to, you know, just - I just got a new home, everything, and I felt like my whole life was crashing round me. I wasn’t feeling very well, yes, and I just didn’t know what to do. Q Did you tell the counsellor through your work that you’d taken some tablets and tried to take your life? A I took a few tablets, only the amount that I could take, yes, because I find it hard to swallow tablets. If I could have carried on I would have. Q Were you trying to take your life at that point? A Probably. Q Probably? A Mmm. Q Well, is that what you told the counsellor --- A I can’t --- Q --- that you were trying to take your life? A I remember having the conversation, yes.”
“Q Okay. But he examined you for psoriasis? A No. Q How did he know where that psoriasis was if he didn’t examine you? A Well, clearly he didn’t know where it was because I’ve never had it on my chest in my life. Never.”
“Q Does any of that ring a bell? A No. For the psoriasis, no. Because where it’s saying that I have psoriasis, I’ve never had psoriasis in some of them places ever. I’ve had psoriasis since I was a child and I’ve never had them in some of them places. Q “Some of them places”, what do you mean? You’ve told me you don’t have it on your chest and have never had it on your chest? A I’ve never had it on my hands. Q Right. A Yes, on my hands or my chest. I have it in my scalp, on my elbows and, very occasionally, on my back. Like, I can count the amount of time on one hand in my whole life that I’ve had it on my back.”
“A No, I don’t really remember any of the conversations at all. All I know is that I was always in there a long time because the doctor was always talking.”
“Q Did you not get a letter from the practice on6 July 2020 explaining what Dr Roach was saying about what had happened? A I don’t remember. Q You don’t remember? A No. Q In which it was being said that you had asked him to come round later. A Never. Never in a million years.”
“Q Well, can we just go through that? I suggest within the consultation on 18 March there was a chat about you losing your job, there was a chat about you being suicidal, and that the consultation had been going on for quite a while and you asked if he could pop over for a cup of tea later on? A Never. Never. Never in a million years. I don’t have anybody and I never, even to this day, I don’t have people come to my apartment. You know you’ve had - I had a bad relationship and I do not like anybody coming into my apartment. I do not invite anybody round there. It’s very, very - very few close friends that come into my apartment. I would never, ever invite him round. That’s why I was shocked when he said he was outside, he wanted to come in. I messaged my friend straightaway saying, “Is this right, that my GP is outside?”
“A … So, at the time what would happen is every morning from 8.30 onwards, the patients can phone up for appointments or they phone in and say what they need. The receptionists give out the appointments face-to-face, telephone calls or home visit requests will be taken by the receptionists, and at the end of the morning surgery sessions, usually there would be some slots, some home visit appointment slots that the patient would be put into if they requested a home visit. The patient would be told by the receptionist that they were put on the list to be assessed for a home visit, but not promised one. Then usually, if the patient is known to a particular doctor and that doctor is in that day, they try to give that visit to that doctor who’s been before to that patient and who knows that patient, otherwise it would be random. If there’s no particular ongoing story, they would be given to any doctor. Then the doctor would usually at the end of the morning session phone the patient or the carers or whoever has requested the visit to understand the situation, understand what the problem is, can they bring the patient to the surgery or not. I think in the beginning when Dr Roach first joined the practice he would have been sitting in with me and I would say, “Oh look, there’s some visit requests, let’s go through them”, and then he would observe me phone them and challenge saying, “Well, can you take a taxi? Can you walk here? How do you go shopping? Do you really go anywhere?”
“Q But, as I say, again, it’s blindingly obvious but it’s also – you’re familiar with Good Medical Practice, aren’t you? One of the duties and responsibilities of a doctor is to keep records, to make records contemporaneously. You know that, don’t you? A Are you asking me a question?”
“Q Look at the last paragraph on page 29. Again, this is on the premise that she, as you will claim, asked you over for a cup of tea: “He thought the invitation [this is you] to ‘pop over for a cup of tea’ was for a request for a professional home visit because she wished to open up to him about her feeling low in mood and almost suicidal because of the impending loss of her job. Peter recalls my explaining to him [so this is Dr Dabas], when he first joined the practice and I was still directly supervising all his work, that our first step in responding to a home visit request is to explore why the patient could not managed in the practice.”
“I have discussed with Peter why he didn’t offer this patient another face to face appointment in the GP surgery or a telephone consultation. He reflected that possibly he thought she may be more comfortable opening up about this in her own home and face to face ...”
“I have discussed with Peter why he didn’t offer this patient another face to face appointment in the GP surgery or a telephone consultation. He reflected that possibly he thought she may be more comfortable opening up about this in her own home and face to face ...”
“Q Are you saying that she also mentioned chest and back pain and then the next thing is Patient A then said, “Wait a minute”, before leaving the room and returning with a bottle of massage oil? A Yes.”